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EternalCowabunga said: is it fucked up that I never had an answer to this question?
Is it fucked up that you could never definitively decide which one of the few society-created cookie-cutter occupations you wanted to adopt?
Of course. ^_^
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Boots
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ts727 said: yawn. Just b/c your life is bland and free of those "mystical" type moments doesnt actually mean that they dont exist. We are more than just physical animals, we are mental time travelers.
hehe, for the most part, my life is no more bland than anybody else's. I'm not saying that '"mystical" type moments' don't exist but it's not the species purpose to experience it, necessarily. By the way, could you clarify just what in the fuck a 'mental time traveler' is?
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Boots]
#7731917 - 12/08/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't see anything that shows that our "purpose" is to procreate. What more pointless point than that is out there?  Procreate to have kids because they NEED to procreate in order to make other kids that in their turn will procreate with the same purpose and on & on. And then what? Ahhh yes, I know... procreate
you obviously don't know anything about bio sciences.. .
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
#7731957 - 12/08/07 05:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Procreation might be considered the path of life, but as for why we live I dont think it answers anything. Everything we do can be a referral to this path, but where does this path lead?
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but where does this path lead?
nowhere.
we evolve, we procreate, we evolve, we create... we destroy..
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
#7732051 - 12/08/07 06:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Merkin said: you obviously don't know anything about bio sciences.. .
You obviously didn't make any point with that statement. In order to be taken serious, you need to provide information.
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
#7732052 - 12/08/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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But even on a strictly evolutionary basis it is evident that we are moving in a liniar direction to which we can only distinguish as better adapted, often more complex. This movement in a distinguishable direction is unified by survival instinct. You might easily argue the significance of it, but how do you deny its movement towards something?
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Boots]
#7732203 - 12/08/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Boots said: In the truest sense of the word, as the human race, our 'purpose' or 'point' is to procreate. It's as simple as life (as we define it) not wanting to cease to exist., it doesn't get any deeper. Any other attempt to come up with a mystical meaning is further blinding us and not allowing us, as humans, to realize that every concept of a divine being or 'higher purpose', doesn't exist.
I agree our foremost purpose is to procreate. As to the rest of your claim there doesn't seem to be conclusive evidence so no judgment can be rendered.
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but where does this path lead?
That's seemingly unanswerable. Most evidence points to the same place the dinosaurs went as far as the human animal goes but we are most likely just a bit player in earth evolution. Beyond that we are all guessing based mostly on wishful thinking and death anxiety.
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daytripper23 said: But even on a strictly evolutionary basis it is evident that we are moving in a liniar direction to which we can only distinguish as better adapted, often more complex. This movement in a distinguishable direction is unified by survival instinct. You might easily argue the significance of it, but how do you deny its movement towards something?
There is no proof that our move towards more complexity will not be cause of our eventual demise, otherwise the dinosaurs and all other species would still be evolving in linear direction. The goal of evolution is survival as far as we know.
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
#7732440 - 12/08/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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True, I was waiting for someone to call me on that. The individual species moves towards complexity, and thus far, has died out one after another. There is movement towards complexity but it is relative to the environment.
We are the first ones to reach this highth, here on earth, and in our process it is easy to distinguish a liniarity in evolution from our past! Every moment of their existence humans might be considered the pinnacle of evolution. The Highest weve ever seen in history, biology or anything. Id say its more speculative to limit this to all the other forms of existence we have surpassed, than wonder at possibility.;)
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Strange.. I see greater confusion, not complexity. I guess I'm just projecting again. What are you basing your evidence off of to say that we are moving in a linear progression from the past? Technology?
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well where do you think all the confusion comes from?
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Technological complexity is not an indicator of evolution. I don't buy for one second that we are any more 'evolved' now than we were when we first emerged as homo sapiens. And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures. The whole bullshit notion that civilized people are more 'evolved' than non-civilized people is a joke, a lie, a way to make us feel better about ourselves despite the fact that we are more alienated, more unhappy, and more unhealthy than your average band of hunter gatherers.
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Re: The point of living... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7733379 - 12/08/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures.
Word.
Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.
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If we go on the assumption that we are more evolved than single celled organisms of which we evolved, is this not a movement towards higher complexity?
I think we are lost, confused, in the complexity of our minds.
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Re: The point of living... [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7733432 - 12/08/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Technological complexity is not an indicator of evolution. I don't buy for one second that we are any more 'evolved' now than we were when we first emerged as homo sapiens. And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures. The whole bullshit notion that civilized people are more 'evolved' than non-civilized people is a joke, a lie, a way to make us feel better about ourselves despite the fact that we are more alienated, more unhappy, and more unhealthy than your average band of hunter gatherers.
Nah I dont think its evident in our technology, you got it all wrong. A chimp can operate a lightswitch. I was mostly referring to our brain structure.
Also my use of the word better refers to better at staying alive, reproducing...I think it fits
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
#7733455 - 12/08/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.
And this, is the thesis of my next paper actually. That enlightenment is not an evolutionary process.
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