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How to speed up the growth of the mycelium
    #7729568 - 12/07/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The mycelium in one of my cakes has hardly grown over the last couple of days. The substrate is too wet I think. Now I consider turning the cake upside down - this could provide some more oxygen to the mycelium. Question is: does that make any sense? If not, is there anything I can do to speed up the growth of the mycelium?
Here are 2 pictures of the cake:

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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7729623 - 12/07/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The substrate does look a little wet, have you got the inoc holes covered with tinfoil? if so remove.

Theres not much you can do about it but let it grow.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7729653 - 12/07/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't cover the small holes with foil, I used hot glue instead. However, I could try to remove the glue. On the other hand, doesn't that increase the risk of contamination?


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7729665 - 12/07/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

U need the inoc holes for gas exchange, this will certainly cause myc to stall.

If you have a dry verm barrier, then the holes can be left open, u can put micropore over the tapes just to feel safe. (if its not got the dry verm filter then opening the holes will introduce contams)


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7729726 - 12/07/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It does look a little wet but hard to tell from pics, but removing the to help air curclation assuming you have a dry verm. Layer.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: eman113]
    #7731856 - 12/08/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It does look a little wet but hard to tell from pics, but removing the to help air curclation assuming you have a dry verm. Layer.



Removing the GLUE is what you meant?:grin:


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731866 - 12/08/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes remove the glue so the substrate can breathe, these are pf teks yes?? brown rice flour, verm with a dry verm layer on top


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731875 - 12/08/07 03:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

im not so sure there gonna finish i had a cake that was no where near as wet as that and it stalled at about 60% colonisasion, you need to let it breath and get the water consistecy right dryer is better than wet in my own experience


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731894 - 12/08/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The mycelium is still growing (!), albeit very slowly. This is a picture I shot 12 hours later:



I can see some new mycelium near the bottom of the cake. What did I do? I increased the temp from 25C to 28C.
As for more air exchange: there is a filter on top of the filterbox (hence the name:). I'm a bit reluctant to remove the glue, perhaps this could damage the lid somewhat. Anyway, I'll wait a couple of more days and watch the growth of new mycelium closely by taking lots of pix.
Any more advice is still very welcome!


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731896 - 12/08/07 03:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i wouldn use glue for anything, you want it too breath use micropore tape, also is the foil lid as wet as it looks ?


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: grandesign]
    #7731910 - 12/08/07 04:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh, so its got a filter then, that lets it breathe? then you wont need to remove the glue.

Odd design of tub.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7731930 - 12/08/07 04:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can buy "such" designs online:

http://azarius.net/shrooms/growing_accessories/filterbox/

So this saves you from making a filter.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7731933 - 12/08/07 04:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it is odd ive never seen this before, i dont think you can go wrong with glasses but thats besides the point, see how they go nebular and dont rule out failure but good luck keep us posted, be interesting to see how it turns out .


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: grandesign]
    #7731934 - 12/08/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The foil is a bit wet, probably because water tries to escape through the foil. BTW, I needed foil because I had trouble closing the lid properly. It shouldn't be necessary though.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: grandesign]
    #7731936 - 12/08/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That is a non shroomery link. U cant post it here.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: grandesign]
    #7731937 - 12/08/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I won't throw it out. I'm glad to notice it didn't stall completely. I'll have to be patient!


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731940 - 12/08/07 05:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it may be worth looking into using half pint tumbler glasses there so easy to use, also the foil lids are all re usable if you take care with them, there really shouldn be water on top of that foil its a contam invitation your pots could end up a big green party lol

glasses are easy :thumbup:


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731944 - 12/08/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

its really not nessasary to worry about filter just micropore tape the holes you make on ennoculation one layer of foil as long as you have a verm barrier is great


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7731977 - 12/08/07 05:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That is a non shroomery link. U cant post it here.



Because it is not a sponsor of the shroomery? Sorry if I violated the rules of this board.
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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: grandesign]
    #7731986 - 12/08/07 05:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

@grandesign: Last week I found shoulderless glass jars - I had trouble finding them initially. I'll use them from now on.
BTW, there are no signs of contamination :cool:


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731992 - 12/08/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No probs, the moderators will be happy you changed it, now they dont have to edit it out.

I think the water you are seeing is condensation.

I have succesfully used drinking glass's on several batches of pf tek. If you buy nuttela chocolate spread, those are great size and shape.

I have 4 nutella jars currently incubating at the moment colinising nicely.

I have also used a pint glass once aswell, though that took ages to colinse.

Next batch try and get the moisture content right and you will notice a drastic difference in growth. 2 parts verm mix with 1 part water (once mixed there should be almost no water collecting at the bottom of your mixing bowl when you scoop some to the side with the spoon) then add 1 part BRF.

Your mix should be very light and when loaded into the jars have a light colour.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: Nebula]
    #7731997 - 12/08/07 05:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

no thats good im just saying wet and 80f can be a calling to contams.
yeah the jars are popular i spent weeks when i started out trying to get them in england and gave up but i wouldn change glasses now . im used to them now ive got jars for seed and grains as they dont need to be shoulder less .


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7732285 - 12/08/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Next batch try and get the moisture content right and you will notice a drastic difference in growth. 2 parts verm mix with 1 part water (once mixed there should be almost no water collecting at the bottom of your mixing bowl when you scoop some to the side with the spoon) then add 1 part BRF.



I bought a starters kit and according to its tek 220 gram BRF, 500 ml water and 1000 ml verm should be mixed. As I later found out, 220 gram BRF equals 300 ml BRF. So the amount of water is too much. I'll contact the vendor.


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Re: How to speed up the growth of the mycelium [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7732320 - 12/08/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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