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Shrooms for Peyote
    #7728460 - 12/07/07 01:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ok ive have been offered peyote for psilocybin mushrooms, i know someone who has a 'bag' (he estimates its an ounce) of dry peyote shreds but doesnt like them and has never tried shrooms and wants to. i've never done peyote and don't know what a fair trade (as far as psychoactiveness by weight) would be. can someone help me out?


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728470 - 12/07/07 01:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, if I'd get the chance to make an Peyote experience I'd totally take it! How much mushroom does he want to have for the bag??
(I have no idea how much shredded Buttens you need, but an ounce seems to be enough...)


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728481 - 12/07/07 02:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, you can grow shrooms or find them from dealers really easily.

Peyote is one of the most rare entheogens around right now. You may never see it again. Call the guy, NOW!

I guess, make sure it really is peyote.

I would say a fair trade value is dose to dose. The peyote could be considered more valuable though.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Fahkface]
    #7728483 - 12/07/07 02:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

a 1/4oz


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728495 - 12/07/07 02:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

actually i live just north of the navajo reservation, its not hard to find if you make friends with the right people


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728500 - 12/07/07 02:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i dont think so most people who have done both prefer mushroom, they say its a harder trip and much more stomachable...


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728506 - 12/07/07 02:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yes. half oz-1 oz dried peyote=a dose i believe


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728510 - 12/07/07 02:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

pull the trigger on this deal asap!

if it is real of course...


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728514 - 12/07/07 02:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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ok ive have been offered peyote for psilocybin mushrooms, i know someone who has a 'bag' (he estimates its an ounce) of dry peyote shreds



Hmm close to 30 grams of peyote? I would definitely take him up on that.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Robo]
    #7728565 - 12/07/07 02:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i think some people are a bit jumpy on this...

peyote seems to be the one drug erowid forgot to mention the dose for, but if wowitch is right im only getting 2 good doses (i was actually thinkin itd be a bit less than an oz not a bit more), and a 1/4 gets (at least me) 4 moderate doses...


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728647 - 12/07/07 02:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, but I think the point is that peyote is more valuable than mushrooms because you can't get peyote on the streets.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728655 - 12/07/07 02:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'd take the peyote.  It is a fantastic experience. 

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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #7728732 - 12/07/07 03:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ya ok im going to do it for sure,

ive always found how navajos are supposed to use peyote for healing to be quite interesting... but if you guys knew what the majority of natives think about peyote i bet your stomachs will turn into a knot. ive heard countless times from navajos typically under 30 (even my manager...) "smoke peyote ontop of weed, you'll get sooo HIGH!" it sorta pisses me off that any navajo can get peyote without having the slightest understanding of it. when i frown on those who talk about smoking peyote, or at least tell them to try eating its not ment to be smoked- they just look at me like im crazy.:confused:


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728748 - 12/07/07 03:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

smoking peyote :lol:


Edited by Ombient (12/07/07 03:29 PM)


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7728896 - 12/07/07 04:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Why can't you smoke it? Seems like an ok way to use it if you have enough.

You live near a navajo reservation? I live in OK and I have never had any oppurtunity whatsoever to obtain this sacrament.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7728900 - 12/07/07 04:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Why can't you smoke it? Seems like an ok way to use it if you have enough.



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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Robo]
    #7728951 - 12/07/07 04:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ehh let them smoke thier peyote. if they actually eat a large dose once(legally mind you) in theyre lives its worth it.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7729019 - 12/07/07 04:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It was commonly smoked as a sacremental offering, though has no effect.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: namaste]
    #7729442 - 12/07/07 06:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

u no i once tought owen wilson was a smart druggie
heres wut he said in zoolander
"Holy shit, Hansel, haven't you been smoking Peyote for six straight days, and couldn't some of this maybe be in your head?"
and he did mescaline in The Royal Tenenbaums
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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Coaster]
    #7729502 - 12/07/07 06:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

holy shit, im coming to the ninth dimension and taking one of those casings!:thumbup: those are the best flushes ive ever seen!

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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Coaster]
    #7729512 - 12/07/07 06:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Shame on Owen wilson and his smack shooting self
He needs a life-changing mescaline trip, didn't he try to commit suicide or something


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Robo]
    #7730178 - 12/07/07 08:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Is there a noticeable difference between tripping on peyote as apposed to just extracted san pedro mescaline? If not than its rather easy to procure a 'peyote' trip.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: g00ru]
    #7731613 - 12/08/07 03:19 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

if you mean an A/B mescaline extract that would it would be better than peyote, peyote just yeilds more mescaline but takes way longer to grow... so if i were to growing and extracting- i would prefer pedro for that

if your makin in cactus slurpie, i would imagine the main difference would be taste (you would use less peyote than pedro)

*mind i am talking from research not experience*


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Coaster]
    #7731645 - 12/08/07 03:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Except it might be intensional, since the characters in Zoolander always say retarded shit (cause they're models)


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: g00ru]
    #7732238 - 12/08/07 10:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

>Is there a noticeable difference between tripping on peyote as apposed to just extracted san pedro mescaline?

Peyote contains a wider range of alkaloids and is said to have a slightly different experience. Though I've heard eating a heavy dose of Mescaline hcl with a few buttons is very similar to eating a large amount of buttons.

Omni, I wouldn't judge Owen until you've walked a mile in his moccasins.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Robo]
    #7732397 - 12/08/07 11:39 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I seem to remember reading that scientists have found evidence of 'peyote cigars' used by ancient peoples.

I see no problem smoking peyote as a sacrament. People smoke ayahuasca vine, and mushrooms, and syrian rue.

Why is this behavior frowned upon? I know you can't smoke enough of a dose to trip, but it could affect your trip and enhance pot, etc.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7732987 - 12/08/07 02:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You could smoke mescaline freebase oil, maybe...
dunno haven't tried yet. Don't know if I want to either.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7733396 - 12/08/07 04:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"Dry peyote shreds" sounds more like a preparation of san pedro or peruvian torch cactus. I'd be extremely wary of any cactus sold as "peyote" if it wasn't in the form of several whole dried buttons.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7733496 - 12/08/07 04:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:Why is this behavior frowned upon? I know you can't smoke enough of a dose to trip, but it could affect your trip and enhance pot, etc.



well i guess i just didn't know enough about traditional peyote usage... but when someone says "smoke peyote with weed it fucks you up!" really doesn't come off to me as sacramental use. i just knew that smoking peyote is wasting in comparison to eating it, and it just sounded like a sad attempt of being cool:rolleyes:
although now that it had been mentioned i do remember a more serious person saying that they do smoke peyote at ceremonies, they even agreed that its was wasteful of its potential effect... i still doubt it "fucks you up" as much as the weed.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Mezcal]
    #7733521 - 12/08/07 04:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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"Dry peyote shreds" sounds more like a preparation of san pedro or peruvian torch cactus. I'd be extremely wary of any cactus sold as "peyote" if it wasn't in the form of several whole dried buttons.




i didnt understand why it would be shredded when i first heard that too, but everone i know says they don't actually get buttons- although the person said that they are large enough shreds to recognise its peyote if you know what it looks like


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7733562 - 12/08/07 04:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I'd go for peyote, it's dried so it'll keep. Find yourself a chemistry friend to do an acid/base extraction on it. I can't estimate how much dried peyotl you'd need, but if you extract the mescaline, I'd start at 270mg (milligrams, as in thousandth of a gram) powder. If that's not enough, add another 100mg/one tenth of a gram.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7733567 - 12/08/07 04:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

One more thing, the Indians of Peru and north America ate peruvian torch, san pedro, peyotl/peyote (and other mescaline containing cacti) for energy, it would give them strengh to get out of the desert and find water. It is a stimulant, and thus it'll keep you going for hours, wake up, take it, then devote the entire day to the experience.

Fourteen hours is not uncommon.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7733575 - 12/08/07 04:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i would rather use pedro being that I am the only person who has any idea of extracting mescaline that i know, plus im interested in the peyote experience... i would need more than an Oz for a decent yeild anyway, and theres no room for error...


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    #7733596 - 12/08/07 05:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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One more thing, the Indians of Peru and north America ate peruvian torch, san pedro, peyotl/peyote (and other mescaline containing cacti) for energy, it would give them strengh to get out of the desert and find water. It is a stimulant, and thus it'll keep you going for hours, wake up, take it, then devote the entire day to the experience.

Fourteen hours is not uncommon.




actually we talked about tryin to get cid... and go camping out in the desert. this is our 'dream'... find a good camping place find plenty of fire wood and get a good night of rest, drop some cid upon waking, few hours after peaking eat the shrooms (should be about midday) and when the shrooms have worn light the fire and stay up all night around the fire eating peyote...:rasta:
problem is its winter and this would have to wait a while to be more comfortable.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7734561 - 12/08/07 10:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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actually we talked about tryin to get cid... and go camping out in the desert. this is our 'dream'... find a good camping place find plenty of fire wood and get a good night of rest, drop some cid upon waking, few hours after peaking eat the shrooms (should be about midday) and when the shrooms have worn light the fire and stay up all night around the fire eating peyote...:rasta:
problem is its winter and this would have to wait a while to be more comfortable.




And you'd have a tolerance from the cid and the shrooms so the peyote would do nothing...


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7744727 - 12/11/07 02:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

you sure? im only talkin a couple hits and a lil more than an 1/8 here, didnt think about cross tolerance though...


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    #7744734 - 12/11/07 02:09 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Even without cross tolerance, that sounds horrible. I HATE being sleep deprived!


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7744750 - 12/11/07 02:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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you sure? im only talkin a couple hits and a lil more than an 1/8 here, didnt think about cross tolerance though...




Yeah I'm pretty much positive. You ever tried redosing deep into a trip to keep it going (like eat 1/8 then 4 hours later when the peak is over eat like another 1/8 or some shit)? Doesn't work. I remember the first time I ever tried acid I ate 2 hits and then like 6 hours later when I was coming off it I ate 2 grams and they didn't do shit.

The only way you're gonna be able to pull some shit like that is if you up the doses a lot. Like eat 2 hits of acid then 1/4+ of shrooms and then a fuckton of the peyote (not sure what dosage is on that). Even that might not work properly -- you're better off just have 3 separate experiences trust me on this one.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7744807 - 12/11/07 02:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

personally i've done 1 hit of acid, wasn't satisfied, and ate 2 during my 'peak' and it did me damn good. i ate 1 at 10pm 2 at midnite, and i had slight trails for a week (i know this is gonna be doubted - it was my second time doing cid may that had somethin to do with it)
i actually had trouble reading a test i took in 7th period from the wavy text(1pm-2pm next day)

maybe tolerance is different for different people?


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7744824 - 12/11/07 02:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You doubled your dose, which is pretty much what it takes to overcome psychedelic tolerance.


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Ness1]
    #7744925 - 12/11/07 02:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ya but i did 2 hits of same stuff the week before, and that certainly felt like 3 in comparison.
idk i think ill try it anyway, i dont see how ill feel tired when im gonna be tripping (don't think we aint gonna sleep for a alllll time after the peyotes done, i've tripped INSTEAD of sleeping before- stayed up longer than 24hrs on a few occasion- shouldnt be near as bad as that)

but first im gonna do just peyote


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: SurReality]
    #7745138 - 12/11/07 03:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Whenever I'm tripping long after I should be asleep (ie having been up over 24 hours) I don't feel tired, but I feel very worn out and very "chemical".


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Re: Shrooms for Peyote [Re: Ness1]
    #7745302 - 12/11/07 04:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ya i know what you mean, its funny cause the whole day is different, and its hard not tell people how today has not been a regular day for me. everyones all waking up and dont notice ive been up


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