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Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos?
    #7728421 - 12/07/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I still do not know what these are. I am hoping that they are Cyanescens. Fibs wouldn't be bad but I have seen enough of those in the past month :wink:












These Might be fibs/friscosas/cyclone/unknowns but they are on the other side and are random also.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: tahoe]
    #7728518 - 12/07/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Amazing, looks like you have found a way to cross Psilocybe cyanescens with Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa.

Some pictures of the gill surface would be great, if it has any pleurocystidia its not P. cyanofibrillosa.




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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7728657 - 12/07/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

weekly to moderately acitive?
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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: notapillow]
    #7728744 - 12/07/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

real fibs are supposed to be weak


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: tahoe]
    #7728845 - 12/07/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The "fibs" i've picked recently in Seattle were VERY potent. In fact the fresh fibs were quite a bit stronger than fresh cyans found near the same area. Workman has been sent samples to compare to other fib finds and the friscosa's etc.

I remember reading somewhere that fibs supposedly are very strong when fresh but lose most of their potency when dried. This is because they have a high level of psilocin but low levels of psilocybin.


That last close-up pic of those pins looks like cyanescens to me.
Here's recent cyan pins I've found:


Here's some "fibs" pins I found:




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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #7730110 - 12/07/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

nice, its hard to tell really, They look like they are somewhere in the middle.:shrug:


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: sui]
    #7730246 - 12/07/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think its all in the middle.
the wood lover complex is a bunch of confusing taxonomy that im not really interested in. im quite sure cyans are able to morph in specific cercomstances and become new species, and or varient species. the line is probly almost inpossible to tell.
im curious as too where azuresens came from. did they just morph from a common psilocybe ansestor of the cyan :wink:


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: notapillow]
    #7730560 - 12/07/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i vote cyans, either way a good find


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: tahoe]
    #7731000 - 12/07/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they all look like cyans except for the one with the blackened middle in the lower left hand side of the first picture. The cap seems pretty aged, but not all too wavy. Could be either one, you've got me. :shrug:


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7731169 - 12/07/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno. They look like cyans, but it's strange that even the bigger ones still look like just pumped up pins. There's a little bit of wavy-ness going on, but not as much as any other cyan i've ever seen. Not that that doesn't mean they're not cyans. There's also not much bruising, though that varies with every mushroom, as i'm sure you know.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Pregnant Man]
    #7731201 - 12/07/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

consider there are many varieties of cyans, or strains, just like cubensis, some will wave more than others


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: casgoodie]
    #7733600 - 12/08/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If I found those, I would not even question that they are cyans. I dont know. I am a lumper and not a splitter though.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Ganzig]
    #7734848 - 12/08/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Those are Cyans if i had ever seen one, most just havent reached full maturity. I bet a few days after the picture was taken they will begin to wave a lot more. A patch if fibs wouldn't wave at all and plus they have more stiration the cyans, which i don't see here.

Here are some cyans i found yesterday.








Here are some fibs i found two years ago. Much larger then the normal cyans might i add, however the weather conditions are responsible for that.



Along with this wonderful Clatharus Ruber.



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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #7735193 - 12/08/07 11:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Holy crap. Those pictures are great. I can really see that those fibs are different, and look a lot more like other pictures I have seen. But what do I know? Not much.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Ganzig]
    #7735216 - 12/09/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they are more wavy and consistently wavy then the fibs but they are not wavy enough to get me to say definitely cyan. damn cold dry air has come back and I have them covered. Pics tomorrow.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Ganzig]
    #7735230 - 12/09/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They are NOT Ps. cyanofibrillosa based on microscopic comparison of the original collection described by Guzman and Stamets.

Furthermore, there is quite a noticeable potency discrepancy between what we are finding here in the Bay Area- the "Cyanofriscosa" or "Cyclone"- and Ps. cyanofibrillosa. The mushrooms in question are comparable to Ps. cyanescens is potency (not to mention, microscopically!), yet Ps. cyanofibrillosa is charted as FAR less potent in Stamets book Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World:


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Ganzig]
    #7735236 - 12/09/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If I found those, I would not even question that they are cyans. I dont know. I am a lumper and not a splitter though.



You can't "lump" or "split" based on macroscopic observation alone!!!!

Well.... at least not with any credibility.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: CureCat]
    #7735263 - 12/09/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

these are most likely different then the back yard grow log. the ones in back were for sure the cyanofib/friscosa/clyclone/unknown thing.

The last pic above are the same as the backyard finds just in another area out front.

The neighbors sure do look at me funny when they see me outside watering the plants the day after it rains. F-in wind has dryed these lil fuckers out.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: CureCat]
    #7735280 - 12/09/07 12:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If I found those, I would not even question that they are cyans. I dont know. I am a lumper and not a splitter though.



You can't "lump" or "split" based on macroscopic observation alone!!!!

Well.... at least not with any credibility.




You got a point there.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: Ganzig]
    #7735434 - 12/09/07 01:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Were those finds from S.C. pscyanescens?


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: never_2_high]
    #7735612 - 12/09/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

doubtfully, he usually treks up from SC to hunt in SF. 

In fact, I saw evidence of hunting today in some spots I wandered with him last year... :lol:


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: never_2_high]
    #7736361 - 12/09/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

never_2_high: Nope San Francisco. Still working on getting them to grow south of SF.

Curecat: wow i can't believe that stunzii beats the fibs! I heard you need hand fulls of stunzii and most people don't even pick them? I guess i haven't seen that chart in a while.

Ganzig: the difference is that in the picture of the fibs i took the mushrooms were all fully mature and open not to mention larger then the normal cyan, but like i said before size is usually determied by weather conditions to a certain degree. You can even see that one mushroom is heavily printed on the cap from the other mushroom dropping spores from above, this shows they broke their fibrilose veil quite some time before i took the pics. A fully matured cyanescens will always have a wave to the cap, even if it is just a very little one. Thees mushrooms showed no waviness when i picked them, and also showed much more stiration around the caps margin then the regular cyans i find.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #7736372 - 12/09/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:naughty: Well tis the season


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: pscyanescens]
    #7736698 - 12/09/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Curecat: wow i can't believe that stunzii beats the fibs! I heard you need hand fulls of stunzii and most people don't even pick them? I guess i haven't seen that chart in a while.



That's exactly what I tell people so they understand exactly how weak Fibs are. Funny that Stamets still calls them Fibs.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: CureCat]
    #7737343 - 12/09/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am going to 99% them as being cyanescens. I will giv it the 100% once a few caps fold back like the classic mature cyan.
Everyone should have there own home patch.





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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: tahoe]
    #7743817 - 12/11/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well i would imagine after you eat 5-10 you should be able to tell 100% from the potency. I usually eat only 5-10 cyanescens and i feel good for about 4-6 hours after that, I wouldn't imagine that you would get that much of high from eating 5-10 fibs if they are below stunzii potency levels.


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    #7744408 - 12/11/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

bad news guys, the dry cold air from the north has caused some serious damage. I will post pics in a bit. Services will be held later this afternoon if anyone would like to attend


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Re: bad news [Re: tahoe]
    #7744442 - 12/11/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the one thing that I have noticed when picking these compared to the fibs/unknowns is that they are not attached to the substrate as well as the fibs.





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Re: bad news [Re: tahoe]
    #7744519 - 12/11/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

nice pictures tahoe , i love the color of some of those,
the brusing is in the upper part of the stem more,
not so much in the botton .
i don´t know why people over there don´t have a patch of the most easy to grow mushrooms of the world and the most potent.... good that you a make a good example.
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    #7744569 - 12/11/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thanks cactu. These were made from stem butts and I didnt even care for them. You might have seen my backyard growlog/photos which was 100x better then the front.

As for the bruising, these stems are coming from deep in the ground. The upper part is exposed to the dry cold wind while the bottom inch is stil protected and covered by chips. These things are forming pins deep down. I am going to made a vid of picking one of them. Be right back


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Re: bad news [Re: tahoe]
    #7744677 - 12/11/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am pretty sure these are different species. The first vid being ps cyan and the second being ps cyanofib var san francisco.
I do not know if the way that they are attached to the substrate plays a big role in identifacation but look how easily the ones in the first vid come out of the ground and look at the chunk from the second.

Hopefully cyanescens


cyanofib var san francisco


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Re: bad news [Re: tahoe]
    #7744745 - 12/11/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nice videos, they do seem to attach differently. I notice the same thing about the friscosas, it usually brings more chips with it then cyans do.

The mix of red and black chips looks really cool.

Sounds like you have helicopters watching your patch though.


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    #7744826 - 12/11/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they are allways a bitch to pick. they cluster more than cyans too.


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    #7744981 - 12/11/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Tahoe said: "the one thing that I have noticed when picking these compared to the fibs/unknowns is that they are not attached to the substrate as well as the fibs."

Suimush said: "they cluster more than cyans too."

I've noticed the same. The fibs I found this weekend were much more difficult to seperate from the substrate than the cyans I've found. I also noticed that most had bristly hairs protruding from the bottom 1/3 of the stem. The clusters were dense, with many layers of mushrooms.


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Re: Cyans or Cyanofibs? More Mature Photos? [Re: never_2_high]
    #7797987 - 12/25/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've been finding something very close in the central Oregon coast area. They look just like cyans but the cap never opens wide (or gets wavy), and aren't umbonate like azures. Caps remains very convex even at full maturity, but all other macroscopic features fit. (wish I had a microscope)


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