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darkling235
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Datura Stramonium
#7727566 - 12/07/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi. I've always been a fan of the old shamanistic drugs and I've finally worked up the courage to try a round with the queen herself, datura stramonium. I've always been very cautious about experimenting, I do a ton of research and usually manage to extract the raw chemicals I want from the plants and dose myself accurately.
Thus far Datura is styming me. The information on the web seems incredibly contrary. Some people say a datura stramonium seed has .1 mg of atropine. Well 10 mg is almost certainly a fatal dose for an adult. Yet most people say they took hundreds of seeds. That should kill you instantly.
I want to start with a cautious dosage but I need to know what a cautious dosage would be? I understand that the seeds contain varying amounts of atropine and hyposcalamine but I'm assuming there's some average. My attempts to extract the chemicals from the seeds via distillation have failed miserably.
If anyone could help me by telling me how many seeds they took for a "normal" trip and what their body weight is, I could extrapolate my cautious dosage from that.
This is something I've always wanted to do. I realize it's dangerous and so I want to go into it with the most care and information I can. Anyone who can share dosage or better yet a sucessful extraction procedure would be most appreciated. Many thanks
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machination
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this reminds me, i saw a couple datura plants growing off the sidewalk the other day..
personally i think some sort of antipsychotic works great for showing daturas funner side, 50 seeds i might start with about that many. if you are careful, perhaps 100. i chomp em to mush, sublingually absorb them for a bit, then swallow.
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don't do it. use the search function on this subforum. these threads have come and gone. like the users.
but here we go again, i guess...
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thedudenj
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im gona use some datura today because its good for congestion and im a tad sick. but im going to use burgmansia
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: thedudenj]
#7727971 - 12/07/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I ate the seeds before not knowing how dangerous they were.Traded couple smokes for them(i was a stupid 14year old at the time) all i remember is feeling hot and tired everything else i don't remember from that night.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: thedudenj]
#7728715 - 12/07/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look what I got currently going :

Brugmansia .
As with datura, you can never know the exact dosages so start small.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: hpi]
#7728754 - 12/07/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My favorite way to consume Datura is to grind up a good amount of seeds/ some leaf matter and make a tea. It tends to make the come up alot more gentle and Ive never had a "bad trip" off this substance. The only thing I dont like about Datura is that I usually black out for brief periods of time while under its influence.... besides that its all gravy bro!!! Last time I tripped on Datura I recall having a conversation with a frog about the evolution of amphibians. Later that same night I watched a beautiful almost cosmic fire works display in the air right over my head.... all of which was pure hallucinations. The so called "high" from this plant is hard to describe, its feels like completely different substances at different times.... One minute you might feel an Ecstacy like euphoria and the next you could feel a mushroom like mind fuck.....
Anyway have fun
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: Madhatter4]
#7728910 - 12/07/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive got 500 seeds and a glass of water... what to do... what should i do...
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7729083 - 12/07/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Use the search function to gather safety tips from previous threads. Basically have a sitter, hide sharp objects, keep your name and address written down in your pocket. Or just start with one or two seeds and wait a few days before going furthur, low doses may enhance lucid dreaming.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7729445 - 12/07/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've heard of lucid dreaming, dont you have to set an alarm so you get just enough sleep (6-8hrs) wake up for a while and go back to sleep. would you take them while you woke up after the first sleep?
or is it more like mugworts where you just take it before you go to sleep at night?
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7729572 - 12/07/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The method you describe was invented by Stephen LeBarge, here's a good site: http://www.luciddreamingworld.com/ yeah, I take a couple before bed once in a great while, but keeping a dream journal is most likely more effective.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7729698 - 12/07/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I live in the Mojave desert, and Datura grows EVERYWHERE. If anyone wants a lot, I'd love to make a trade.
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it seems he(she?) knows what he's doing, i'm sure he'll be fine.
datura has me intrigued also...
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darkling235
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: maggotz]
#7730121 - 12/07/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I'd like to think I usually do know what I'm doing because I do an exhaustive amount of research before doing most things. Thing is SOOOO much data is contraindicated about this plant. At least one pharamcology site I visited claims 100 seeds should be instantly fatal while others have referred to 50 as a small dosage. With so much contradictory information it's rather difficult to be safe about it (there's no such thing as safety with this plant, I know. Crossing the street isn't safe either but you CAN be smart about it).
Could anyone tell me how many seeds they took and whether the effects where more mild or really trippy? Thanks for sharing your experiences with those of us new to the game =)
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Do an extraction?
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I'd suggest starting with leaves, grind to a mixture of equal potency and take a miniscule dose the first time - wait a week and double, keep doing this until you reach desired effects and then stay at that level or add smaller amounts.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7732312 - 12/08/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My friend once lit his pants on fire while on Datura.
I never hear or see good things coming from this plant.
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darkling235
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Due to the varying toxicity of the spieces in the datura family, has anyone ever specifically used datura stramonium? I hear its the most powerful version and I wanted to make sure I dosed myself correctly. If anyone has taken this specific plant and can share how many seeds the took I'd really appreciate it. I can deal with a bad trip but I don't want to end up in the hospital.
I'm wondering if the problem I'm having reconciling various dosage levels comes from different species of datura. One source says 100 seeds should be instantly fatal, other ppl say they took over a hundred seeds at a time just to trip. Can anyone comment on the general toxicity of datura stramonium seeds?
Also could anyone comment on "about" the level to just start tripping rather than just being fuzzy?
Edited by darkling235 (12/10/07 01:42 PM)
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Moo456
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Just try some diphenhydramine first so you can get an idea of what its like without having to eat poison. The effects are very similar and of course not fun.
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darkling235
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7752701 - 12/13/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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500 seeds of datura stramonium?! won't that like kill you instantly?
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blz3432
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Quote:
oliveplume said: My friend once lit his pants on fire while on Datura.
I never hear or see good things coming from this plant.
You can at least say the trip reports are always good entertainment.
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He had come back over to my house maybe an hour after I had gone to bed. Apparently he found me, wearing only my boxers, frantically trying to locate something in my kitchen. Things had not been broken yet. He said my name, but I paid no attention, only continued to open and slam drawers and cabinets.
'TIM!' He shouted. I turned around, looking at him with annoyance. 'What!?' 'What are you doing?' 'I'm looking for my Windows 95 disk.' I said this with a expression and tone of voice of someone who had just been asked what his penis was for.
I rolled my eyes and walked off toward my dinner table, stopping for a moment to hock a loogie on the wall. Doogie is very confused.
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If you must, just gradually build up your dose. Start with five seeds for example, wait at least two hours and, if needed, eat (/smoke/drink) some more. One step at a time, you wouldn't skip 15 steps when walking off the stairs either, would you..? Do not, and I can not stress this enough, DO NOT be impatient. Most people rather squander seeds than sanity.
Just three days ago I ate about 90 black seeds* (Datura stramonium) and smoked about 15. Nothing; just a slight buzz. I weigh about 70kg (155lbs). Might be slightly unwise to use this as your reference..
Is it possible to be insensitive to the active components in datura? Same problem with salvia, I need to smoke at least 0,5g of 15x extract to get any effects at all and even then they'll only last for about two minutes. (Used salvia about 20 times.)
*Took 50, waited for an hour (felt nothing), took another 40 and smoked 15. Had eaten 75 seeds earlier without any noticeable effects.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: Moo456]
#7782581 - 12/20/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moo456 said: Just try some diphenhydramine first so you can get an idea of what its like without having to eat poison. The effects are very similar and of course not fun.
diphenydramine is nasty man i hate that stuff ive tried it befor its no fun at all some weird shit happened tho i hallaucinated cats and mice running around my room and woodpeckers flying in to my window in the middle of the night and realy strange auditory hallucintions.
my friend took about 75 datura seeds a few months ago he didnt notice any effects after two hours so he went out and smoked a joint and wenth to bed he didnt rember much after that but a witness said he woke up and the guy who took the datura was standing over him in his bedd and said that something was going to get him. and we everyone woke up in the morning the went out into the living room and the guy had the tv sound on but not the pisture and they asked what he was doing and he said watching football. the guy said he spent the next two day talking to pople who wernt there and flicking little red bugs off of him and hallucinating pelicans in his house. i have a shit load of datura in my back yard but im too afraid of it. i considered trying it a few time but never could find any good dosage info or any info for that matter.
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I ate about 25 datura stramonium seeds once and felt like i was dead for about 10 hours. I'll never touch that stuff again. Physical death is all I experienced and it wasn't very pleasant.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: drwatson]
#7783123 - 12/20/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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damn.
big voodoo!
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darkling235
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Results: Just for posterity I wanted to record my experience with datura stramonium seeds.
I took 100 seeds raw, crunched them up and swallowed them. No hallucinations were present just a mild marijuana style high or maybe like having a shot or two too many.
The seeds were somewhat dry which might account for the total absence of effect but I'm not sure.
I intend to experiment again with maybe 300 seeds next time I have the leisure of several days off.
Hope anyone else's experiments go better than mine.
P.S. Does anyone have a theory why so little happened?
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not yet we dont...........
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darkling235
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Ok so for psoterity I'm writing down my second experience. I took about 400 datura stramonium seeds over a space of about 2 hours. It was a rather bizzaire kind of high. It was sort of like a really unpleasant marijuana for the most part. The most noticable effects were a severely unpleasant dry mouth and a complete inability to swallow. I found myself unable to swallow a single potato chip in my mouth and came dangerouly close to choking. That's how bad it was.
The hallucinations were actually rather minimal while I was awake being more closely akin to sensory distortions. I had very vivid hallucinations after I fell asleep. If you've ever had a bad fever and had nightmares while the fever was tearing up your brain? It was very similar to that.
I was very dehyrdated but found it almost impossible to keep any liquids down. It was very difficult even swallowing liquids.
It is now two days later and while I am sober I am still feeling very delicate. My eyes are still sensitive to light and I feel constantly dehyrdated. My movements feel jerky and in some cases colors look different then they usually do (example: the snow outside has a purple overlay where it lies on the black tar. There was some inability to urinate but it wasn't that hard.
Aside from the dry mouth and inability to swallow which were very unpleasant, the whole experience wasn't too bad. It would be difficult to describe it as enjoyable however. I probably won't do it again, especially since the long term effects of overdosing on this drug can't be pleasant.
I'm not sure I'd tell people flat out not to take datura but I would suggest they be VERY sure they know what their getting into. A sitter is absolutely neccessary and I would have a big meal and a lot to drink before I took it. Trust me you don't want to have to eat or drink after taking the seeds. You WILL have to drink but eating under the influence is far harder.
If you decide to take it be safe
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Seriously, no matter how fucking interested you are, just don't go there.
Stick to other things, Amanita Muscaria/Pantherina's if your looking for something different.
This is a plant not to be touched in any shape or form.
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Dosage varies from person to person. Start with really small doses and work your way up slowly. Be patient because the side effects of datura are very unpleasant. Take time to get used to the effects. A lot of people take too much because they couldn't tell they were tripping. You will be delirious, you will have the worst cottonmouth of your life, you won't be able to take a piss, and your body will hurt and feel weak. The dose to see true hallucinations is so high that its almost a fatal dose. Be careful with datura. I ate datura stramonium once and I don't plan on ever doing it again.
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thedudenj
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i cant wait to meet more old slavic women with datura. i think im gona get their numbers then united them and make a psychoactive garden where they dont know that the stuff is psychoactive but want to constantly give me stuff ^.^
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