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darkling235
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Datura Stramonium
#7727566 - 12/07/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi. I've always been a fan of the old shamanistic drugs and I've finally worked up the courage to try a round with the queen herself, datura stramonium. I've always been very cautious about experimenting, I do a ton of research and usually manage to extract the raw chemicals I want from the plants and dose myself accurately.
Thus far Datura is styming me. The information on the web seems incredibly contrary. Some people say a datura stramonium seed has .1 mg of atropine. Well 10 mg is almost certainly a fatal dose for an adult. Yet most people say they took hundreds of seeds. That should kill you instantly.
I want to start with a cautious dosage but I need to know what a cautious dosage would be? I understand that the seeds contain varying amounts of atropine and hyposcalamine but I'm assuming there's some average. My attempts to extract the chemicals from the seeds via distillation have failed miserably.
If anyone could help me by telling me how many seeds they took for a "normal" trip and what their body weight is, I could extrapolate my cautious dosage from that.
This is something I've always wanted to do. I realize it's dangerous and so I want to go into it with the most care and information I can. Anyone who can share dosage or better yet a sucessful extraction procedure would be most appreciated. Many thanks
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machination
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this reminds me, i saw a couple datura plants growing off the sidewalk the other day..
personally i think some sort of antipsychotic works great for showing daturas funner side, 50 seeds i might start with about that many. if you are careful, perhaps 100. i chomp em to mush, sublingually absorb them for a bit, then swallow.
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Bridgeburner
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don't do it. use the search function on this subforum. these threads have come and gone. like the users.
but here we go again, i guess...
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thedudenj
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im gona use some datura today because its good for congestion and im a tad sick. but im going to use burgmansia
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: thedudenj]
#7727971 - 12/07/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I ate the seeds before not knowing how dangerous they were.Traded couple smokes for them(i was a stupid 14year old at the time) all i remember is feeling hot and tired everything else i don't remember from that night.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: thedudenj]
#7728715 - 12/07/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look what I got currently going :

Brugmansia .
As with datura, you can never know the exact dosages so start small.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: hpi]
#7728754 - 12/07/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My favorite way to consume Datura is to grind up a good amount of seeds/ some leaf matter and make a tea. It tends to make the come up alot more gentle and Ive never had a "bad trip" off this substance. The only thing I dont like about Datura is that I usually black out for brief periods of time while under its influence.... besides that its all gravy bro!!! Last time I tripped on Datura I recall having a conversation with a frog about the evolution of amphibians. Later that same night I watched a beautiful almost cosmic fire works display in the air right over my head.... all of which was pure hallucinations. The so called "high" from this plant is hard to describe, its feels like completely different substances at different times.... One minute you might feel an Ecstacy like euphoria and the next you could feel a mushroom like mind fuck.....
Anyway have fun
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: Madhatter4]
#7728910 - 12/07/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive got 500 seeds and a glass of water... what to do... what should i do...
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schmutzen
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7729083 - 12/07/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Use the search function to gather safety tips from previous threads. Basically have a sitter, hide sharp objects, keep your name and address written down in your pocket. Or just start with one or two seeds and wait a few days before going furthur, low doses may enhance lucid dreaming.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7729445 - 12/07/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've heard of lucid dreaming, dont you have to set an alarm so you get just enough sleep (6-8hrs) wake up for a while and go back to sleep. would you take them while you woke up after the first sleep?
or is it more like mugworts where you just take it before you go to sleep at night?
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schmutzen
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7729572 - 12/07/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The method you describe was invented by Stephen LeBarge, here's a good site: http://www.luciddreamingworld.com/ yeah, I take a couple before bed once in a great while, but keeping a dream journal is most likely more effective.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7729698 - 12/07/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I live in the Mojave desert, and Datura grows EVERYWHERE. If anyone wants a lot, I'd love to make a trade.
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it seems he(she?) knows what he's doing, i'm sure he'll be fine.
datura has me intrigued also...
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darkling235
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: maggotz]
#7730121 - 12/07/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I'd like to think I usually do know what I'm doing because I do an exhaustive amount of research before doing most things. Thing is SOOOO much data is contraindicated about this plant. At least one pharamcology site I visited claims 100 seeds should be instantly fatal while others have referred to 50 as a small dosage. With so much contradictory information it's rather difficult to be safe about it (there's no such thing as safety with this plant, I know. Crossing the street isn't safe either but you CAN be smart about it).
Could anyone tell me how many seeds they took and whether the effects where more mild or really trippy? Thanks for sharing your experiences with those of us new to the game =)
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Do an extraction?
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schmutzen
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I'd suggest starting with leaves, grind to a mixture of equal potency and take a miniscule dose the first time - wait a week and double, keep doing this until you reach desired effects and then stay at that level or add smaller amounts.
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: schmutzen]
#7732312 - 12/08/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My friend once lit his pants on fire while on Datura.
I never hear or see good things coming from this plant.
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darkling235
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Due to the varying toxicity of the spieces in the datura family, has anyone ever specifically used datura stramonium? I hear its the most powerful version and I wanted to make sure I dosed myself correctly. If anyone has taken this specific plant and can share how many seeds the took I'd really appreciate it. I can deal with a bad trip but I don't want to end up in the hospital.
I'm wondering if the problem I'm having reconciling various dosage levels comes from different species of datura. One source says 100 seeds should be instantly fatal, other ppl say they took over a hundred seeds at a time just to trip. Can anyone comment on the general toxicity of datura stramonium seeds?
Also could anyone comment on "about" the level to just start tripping rather than just being fuzzy?
Edited by darkling235 (12/10/07 01:42 PM)
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Moo456
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Just try some diphenhydramine first so you can get an idea of what its like without having to eat poison. The effects are very similar and of course not fun.
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darkling235
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Re: Datura Stramonium [Re: SurReality]
#7752701 - 12/13/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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500 seeds of datura stramonium?! won't that like kill you instantly?
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