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So what do you do with demons?
#7727357 - 12/07/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7727522 - 12/07/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, I've tried various ways of destroying the wall, always met with resistance.
Unsure of my results, I do know that I have the power of Christ because my simple loving stare, or sometimes hateful (towards her own ugly anti-Christ spirit) has had dramatic power upon her.
this sounds a bit self-righteous to me
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Yet, she often finds reasons to call me creepy when I stare at her, or say it is rude, in rather violent ways.
sharing eye contact can be a powerful experience, but if both parties don't share the same intent, i could see how it would feel like an invasion of one's personal space
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Now I have learned that all people are ratios of Buddha to un-Buddha, or Christ to anti-Christ, and that when you interact with them you hear pieces that come either from the soul, or the cold and fated armor.
i know what you mean, but i wouldn't say it in terms of it being a ratio. everyone has buddha-nature in equal amount; it is only the various levels to which one has transcended the conditioned self that separate us. tolle's concept of the 'emotional pain body' is useful in this too, in understanding who it is that is speaking when 'the cold and fated armor' (great turn of phrase) speaks... IMO there is no way to remove this conditioned construct from another person. 'first take the log out of your own eye'...
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The key is to never talk to the demon pieces, the lies or ugly things they say, and the nasty tones they emit, to give them a name, and to get into fights with them.....
good call man, i def. agree with you here. it never does any good to engage in negativity when negativity is being directed toward you. usually if you remain open and nonjudgmental without retaliating, the negativity has no place to make a home in the air between you
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I wrote a long thing like Lateralus to my girlfriend, full of poison hatred and anger, yet I know I am not evil. I wrote all my judgments about her, and because it was like Lateralus I offered her wide open space and unconditoinal love at the end (well, is Lateralus that way?) however
I knew I was writing to TO HER and I FELT HER ENERGY as I wrote it knowing I casted a pure white magickal holy spell with my mind, the nuance I am worried about is even though that I know Pure Intention is nestled within this post, designed to kill the part of her that my perception deems evil, ugly, profane, and hurtful to our relationship, while giving the pure jubilant BEAUTIFUL GODESSS WITHIN HER ROOM TO BREATHE
again, there seems a lot of self-righteousness in here. your intentions were good, but thinking violently about any aspect of another being is a long way from love IMO.
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Yet she uses sarcasm that way all the time, and even if she doesn't mean it, it serves no function other than to lower me to a sub-standard anti-Christ spirit.
have you tried talking to her about that and telling her clearly, in a way that she can grok, that it makes you feel demeaned when she speaks that way? beyond doing that, there is little you can do to change her
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She needs to get on board with the program already, yet I have been at times halfway convinced that I am the "evil" one.
maybe you should abandon the concept of evil altogether, since it doesn't exist except inasmuch as you give it reality. such concepts could be anathema to a healthy relationship, i'd imagine
anyway, not trying to sound like i have all the answers. but i think a grounded evaluation would show that you are trying to make your partner live up to your own ideal, based on your experiences. maybe you are more aware than her of her own programming, but there is a lot of truth in what Ram Dass says about working on yourself as the only thing any of us can do to help others on the path
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7727540 - 12/07/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would say to make sure you are not being over confident in your perception before you try anything.
Those pot shots shes taking at you might seem to you to be completely malicious, but they sound like they are probably a sense of humor that doesn't express itself properly.
When someone blows my mind, oftentimes all I can say is you goddamn hippy, shake my head, and laugh because I dont really know how to express my gratitude to such a serious, deep matter. Maybe its something like this.
Your idea of excorcising, is pretty hard to pull off I think. To excorcise, is kind of to say you are sure you know exactly what this disease is, seperate from her personality. Im not saying this is impossible to know, but look how often it just made a mess of things in the christian churches. They often do have a a pretty good idea of what suffering or evil is, but it is always to general, attacking the symptoms of the problem, starting witchhunts, and such programs that make things just worse.
If your confident in your terms of truth to this degree, why exactly do these potshots get to you? If you are confident enough to excorcise, I think you should also be confident enough to be completely unphased by her meanness. If it preys on one of your weaknesses that you believe is seperate from the ordeal, perhaps it just isn't evidenced by her ability to get to you in this way.
So just make sure you aren't excorcising parts of her personality with all the evil eh?
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7728812 - 12/07/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ever think maybe you went to church just a few too many times when you were an impressionable youngin?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7728859 - 12/07/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly, I think that you are as deeply self-deceptive as anyone else. I get the impression that you are very socially awkward and probably a bit intense to be with, and that you actually do kind of creep her out with your attempt to tear into her. I fully understand and support your desire to communicate fully and honestly, and to tear down barriers and whatnot. But this is not an asymmetrical process. You are not her saviour. We are drawn to people we see ourselves in. You have to realize that your desire to "tear down her walls" is just as powerfully a desire to tear down your own. I think you are projecting, and are unwilling to admit your own equal need to work through a lot of the same things you think she needs to work through.
My advice:
-Relax -Give her a bit of space -express to her your desire to communicate honestly and openly -realize that this type of communication is non-violentn non-coercive and that you cannot force it
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There is no victory or defeat for one side; both win or lose jointly. Victory is not won by my superiority but by our common achievement of manifestation. Nor does defeat indicate a lack of strength; defeat lies in evasion, in hiding, and is due to unpreparedness for the crisis of my own volition and the other's. The slightest use of force, including intellectual superiority, for instance, or the power of suggestion, brings the loving struggle to an end. It thrives only in total nonviolence, if each will make his powers as available to the other as they are to himself-- on otherwrds, only if the will to be right, the search for weapons rather than for objectivity, is also eliminated.... A loving Existenz will cease to make one sided demands on the other, because both will jointly demand all. - Jaspers, on the Loving Struggle for Existenz.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7728873 - 12/07/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you are projecting, and are unwilling to admit your own equal need to work through a lot of the same things you think she needs to work through.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7728918 - 12/07/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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bug said:i know what you mean, but i wouldn't say it in terms of it being a ratio. everyone has buddha-nature in equal amount; it is only the various levels to which one has transcended the conditioned self that separate us. tolle's concept of the 'emotional pain body' is useful in this too, in understanding who it is that is speaking when 'the cold and fated armor' (great turn of phrase) speaks... IMO there is no way to remove this conditioned construct from another person. 'first take the log out of your own eye'...
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again, there seems a lot of self-righteousness in here. your intentions were good, but thinking violently about any aspect of another being is a long way from love IMO.
yeah.
I was filled with regrets after writing it. She didn't in particular read it and I went to her house this morning and told her to delete it.
I know it was a journey somewhere because I felt her and she was even talking to my mind while I was writing it, so maybe I should have trusted, but its not a gentle way and its a self-righteous way, and the gentle ways are better.
I have talked to her about it and we work on it.
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daytripper23 said:To excorcise, is kind of to say you are sure you know exactly what this disease is, seperate from her personality.
mmm I do know. It is really easy to tell. Listen to the tones in people's voices and where they come from. If they are very deep in nature which is not to say deep is wrong, then it is like as if they are bringing malice up from the belly, rather than if it comes from their heart center or their voice, or very nasal from the third eye center. You can hear what chakras a person uses by the tones in their voice, and though I am not listening deep enough to know deep amazing knowledge just yet, it is real easy to tell the general basics of whether a person is sincere by the tone of their voice.
She has a great tone that is her pure Buddha-Woman-Goddess and I love it much, and it is most evident when I tickle her other times she uses a mans voice because she is used to armor and fighting battles, that a woman ought not to have to fight if the world would just leave women alone and respect them right. Plus men are supposed to do that for them to an extent though women should be autonomous it should not be out of a self-righteous ego like I'M BETTER THAN YOU DON'T THINK I'M SOME GIRL. Because the differences between yin and yang are quite important to honor.Quote:
daytripper23 said: If you are confident enough to excorcise, I think you should also be confident enough to be completely unphased by her meanness. If it preys on one of your weaknesses that you believe is seperate from the ordeal, perhaps it just isn't evidenced by her ability to get to you in this way.
So just make sure you aren't excorcising parts of her personality with all the evil eh?
Right good points. I am not high enough always to do this. I was high enough one day to give her an LSD buzz by very deliberately making the most mindful pot of tea in my life, and putting my energy in it, and giving it to her.
This confidence and power is amazing, she wondered if I put acid in her drink and I said no. Each time I took a sip then handed her the cup I knew I was casting a deep spell of calm and clarity upon her.
I could use more LSD related confidence, be it from yoga or otherwise.
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NiamhNyx said: Honestly, I think that you are as deeply self-deceptive as anyone else. I get the impression that you are very socially awkward and probably a bit intense to be with, and that you actually do kind of creep her out with your attempt to tear into her. I fully understand and support your desire to communicate fully and honestly, and to tear down barriers and whatnot. But this is not an asymmetrical process. You are not her saviour. We are drawn to people we see ourselves in. You have to realize that your desire to "tear down her walls" is just as powerfully a desire to tear down your own. I think you are projecting, and are unwilling to admit your own equal need to work through a lot of the same things you think she needs to work through.
My advice:
-Relax -Give her a bit of space -express to her your desire to communicate honestly and openly -realize that this type of communication is non-violentn non-coercive and that you cannot force it
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There is no victory or defeat for one side; both win or lose jointly. Victory is not won by my superiority but by our common achievement of manifestation. Nor does defeat indicate a lack of strength; defeat lies in evasion, in hiding, and is due to unpreparedness for the crisis of my own volition and the other's. The slightest use of force, including intellectual superiority, for instance, or the power of suggestion, brings the loving struggle to an end. It thrives only in total nonviolence, if each will make his powers as available to the other as they are to himself-- on otherwrds, only if the will to be right, the search for weapons rather than for objectivity, is also eliminated.... A loving Existenz will cease to make one sided demands on the other, because both will jointly demand all. - Jaspers, on the Loving Struggle for Existenz.
Thank you!
Some of this I am overconfident and a jerk about, and much of it is true. Walk up to any person, immediately you know if they are high, low, barely holding together, especially if you hear their voice.
It is then an issue of whether you take their energy, and go down, or they take yours, and go up, and this requires a lot of dynamic learning.
which requires a lot of dynamic listening.... try it some time
everything is a reciprocal machine unit
its like you go AHHH with glee and they go AHHH with cynicism, but some interest
then you go a little bit lower and say AHHH again and they go a little bit higher
then eventually you are communicating and just playing
becasue this is how children are they never have a past or future so they instantly gain telepathic rapport and love on each other in great play
and so then eventually you can take them out of their ego, and you out of yours, and have a true game of play going on with real communication and listening
it requires intuition and DISDAIN for stagnant patterns that we have in our heads, that are useless and keep us from missing opportunities
we must feed our will to feel these moments drawing way outside the lines.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
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leery11 said: I have the power of Christ because my simple loving stare, or sometimes hateful (towards her own ugly anti-Christ spirit) has had dramatic power upon her.
hmm, i didn't realize Christ has a hateful stare.
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she often finds reasons to call me creepy when I stare at her, or say it is rude, in rather violent ways.
lol, perhaps because it's creepy... and rude?
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7728981 - 12/07/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You've repeatedly used terms like "casting a spell of calm upon her," etc. What you need to realize is that if you really want to engage in a loving relationship, it is not a power-over relationship, but a mutual exchange, a sharing of energies. You are not "casting a spell" of anything, but rather offering and recieving.
Also that bit about her using a 'man's voice' is bullshit. It is necessary for a woman to be able to speak assertively and draw clear boundaries. It is as much a woman's nature to be firm and powerful as it is to be nurturing and gentle. If you want to honor the 'buddha-woman-goddess' in her, than you must honor her in all aspects. Or are you forgetting Kali? Durga? Athena? Morrigan? Do not try and diminish her striving to find her power. Rather, facilitate it. Perhaps if you didn't try and disregard her warrior spirit, she wouldn't have to battle you to defend it. Perhaps if you loved her striving for wholeness in all aspects, you would not have this conflict.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7728986 - 12/07/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I'm not all about labelling someone based on Buddha or christ whatever qualities. However she is, she is and however you are, you are. If there's going to be change then change her by not trying to change her.
I know that seems like a strange concept but it's definately better than trying to be invasive. Just be yourself and don't try to pull someone into your sphere of philosophy/thinking/beliefs. If she's interested and then let her interest build up to the point where she'll cave in and overwhelm you.
Other than that, just be yin and yang and stop trying to be all yin or all yang.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: Cracka_X]
#7729044 - 12/07/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are readily available ways to attain immediately with certainty the knowledge of whether someone is open to intimacy or not.
Is this under debate?
Thank you for the rebukes. Warrior is a great thing, it is not a great thing when it is randomly unleashed upon someone for no reason other than to hide from intimacy.
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this becomes tricky as the speck in the eye parable holds true.... I have forgotten who either of us is, and who the fault belongs to, when the fault is mutually both ours and should not be given a name with a finger pointing accompanying it.
I find "casting a spell" to be a very great and adequate term, perhaps "blessing" "sharing"
everyone has this power, and ability, to transfix energy upon something and give to another. It is useful to have self-confidence but not at the expense of arrogance, and I encourage any rebuking any-one has to give whatsoever, and I also encourage everyone to develop their own magickal language that empowers them as individuals.
the difference between saying "sharing" vs something else more fanciful is that if you give it a fanciful name it is easier to learn about, but it may come at the expense of belittling the individual, which is not right
i think of it insofar as we are both where we should be, in a mutual state of peace, we are in complete agreement, and insofar as one or the other strays to a lower ground, the higher one has an obligation to raise the lower one and show them the err of their ways
she has done so for me, making me a really nice dinner that immediately lifted my spirits
but the difference being that it is a DIRECT transfer of energy and is the stuff of miracle stories that you read about, in a smaller scope limited to the power and awareness that the individual has
to the extent that one is full of love, peace, calm, and awareness, to that extent that have a right to see accurately
and to see is to judge, to perceive is to judge, if you see an arrow you have a duty to help fix the wound in whatever way you are qualified
and if you just intuitively know, that by doing this and that, by taking her to a certain place even if she doesn't want to go, that when she gets there she will be really happy
then you have an obligation to do that
and the conflict and the strife is in when she really really really resists the efforts to feel better and wants to cling to the pain body
and therein is the main emphasis of why i wrote all this, if we strip narcissism out of it.
It is also apparent that I have fixations upon playing certain roles which are detrimental to our mutual role being, such as a meddling doctor trying to diagnose someone that is healthy as not, and that I must continually suspend my ego to see that which it really is, at all times, and act from intuition accordingly of pure intention and love and grace and hospitality, otherwise grudges and my own demons may be moving through me, meddling and making issues worse.
I hope that a few understand the intricate process I am talking about though.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: leery11]
#7729155 - 12/07/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right on. Here you are onto something.
Relationships are tricky, especially when someone has been hurt and is defensive. Good luck working through things. It's also nice to hear that you have a girlfriend. Just remember that you can't 'fix' a person to make them what you wish they were. You can only treat them with the sort of care and compassion you wish them to return, and if they are unable you must evaluate whether the relationship really has the potential to be what you hope it to be, or whether you are deluding yourself and engaged in a mutually destructive pattern.
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7729327 - 12/07/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what the hell are you guys talking about seriously i feel like i'm playing dungeons and dragons here
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Welcome to P&S
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Re: So what do you do with demons? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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or whether you are deluding yourself and engaged in a mutually destructive pattern.
You mean there is an alternative?
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