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Muffin
Ancient God of Chaos

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Alright, I'm going to bed. I have to go to work at 7 (Central) and I just wasted hours trying to have discussion and getting verbally castrated by people who assume I could not have possibly considered their ideas because I came to a different conclusion. (The last page or 2 saved it somewhat though.)
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Noetical
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
#7727335 - 12/07/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No.
What you had was a bunch of people who thought the idea of a white bearded guy with sandals was silly but still believed in the existence of a first principal.
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Disco Cat
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
#7727344 - 12/07/07 03:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bridgeburner
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Disco Cat]
#7727361 - 12/07/07 04:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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god bent bananas crooked so the ape could grab it better without thumbs but evolution won. god hates evolution! evolution is of satan, thus as satan exist god also exists!
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Re: God is not real. [Re: razmablues]
#7727398 - 12/07/07 04:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i too am god and his messiah. soon an ocean of love will spread across the universe that will open everything to pure intense love. the proof: take 16 dry grams and get back to me.
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fantasylndvictm
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Re: God is not real. [Re: dshroom]
#7727407 - 12/07/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I believe that there are to many religions for just one to e right so I believe that whatever reliogon fits u is the right one for u...........pl are tooo different for one theory to be right.
Right?
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Silversoul
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Quote:
RandalFlagg said:
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Muffin said: Oh wait, just read it, allow me to clarify. I do not believe there is an "absolute truth" governed by a deity. I do believe there are consequenses for MOST our actions, but not because they are enforced by any kind of higher power. Sometimes when you kill someone, you get away with it. Sometimes you don't.
If an all-powerful diety does not enforce consequences...then what does?
karma
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Silversoul]
#7728113 - 12/07/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is karma? How does it exist? Is there an observable phenomenon to it?
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Silversoul
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Well, it's too early in the morning for me to go into detail about it, but suffice to say it's the simple law of the universe that one's actions will reverberate through the world in other actions until someone intentionally stops the wheel of karma. It's not so much an individual force of justice as most people think of it. That is, doing a good deed will not necessarily mean that good things will come to you, and doing a bad deed will not necessarily cause bad things to happen to you. But behaving in a positive manner will spread that positivity to others in a chain reaction which may come back to you. Meanwhile, behaving in a negative manner will spread negativity to others, which may come back to you. To give an example, US interventionism in the Middle East spread enough negative vibes in the Muslim world that it led to 9/11. That's not to say that the people who died in 9/11 deserved it. But they were victims of karma generated by their leaders.
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Silversoul]
#7728232 - 12/07/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're defining karma as the general feelings of people? If you're nice to people they tend to be nice back and if you're mean they tend to be mean back. I don't consider that a "force" or an undeniable truth of any type. It's just human beings reacting.
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Silversoul
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No, it's not feelings per se. It's actions. Actions beget other actions. Like I said, I just got up and I'm too tired to debate this. Maybe sometime when I'm more awake, I can make more concrete points.
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Silversoul]
#7728309 - 12/07/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh...I think I see what you are saying.
It's like splashing your hand in a bathtub. Little waves will ripple throughout the tub. Your actions cause effects and other people feel those effects and their actions are sometimes motivated by them. This makes sense and is in a lot of ways true. However, there is no underlying undeniable truth to it. There is nothing concrete and absolute to base one's beliefs on. It is a belief system that deals with the real world, not the spiritual.
But, since the spiritual world is unknowable then maybe "karma" is something we should focus on because at least we can kind of see it and its repercussions.
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urtrippin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
#7728312 - 12/07/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Muffin said: Prove me wrong. This is not to start an argument, it is to start a debate. Ready...GO!
If you want to debate, make your statement and back it up with evidence. You already fail at debate by not providing any evidence that god doesn't exist.
I don't believe there is a biblical god myself and i'm not making a debate about it because it's impossible to prove either way.
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Silversoul]
#7728611 - 12/07/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scientist question God's existence because they really don't know. So they come up with their own answers. Those answers are based on a questions of doubt. They question because they really don't know. Other wise if they knew they would not question. To devote is to worship. Every man devote his life to some thing. Even the atheist. So "gods" exist. Look in your life and in the life of others. Look at history. Look into the future. Technology is a god to many. Have you ever heard someone say "I have nothing to live for"? That person lives for "self". When they are unhappy with themselves they become depressed. People worship ideas, rock bands or a person like the fagot ass pope.The list goes on and on. That's the journey that they are on. Think about it. In this earth man is the only created being with an urge to worship. What about accountability? Man is accountable for his actions. Order? The universe has order. Love? Like the love you have for a newborn baby. Pureness? Respect? Kindness? I'm not one of those religious church goers. I personally don't trust them, but I also don't trust science. Which is a form of religion. Religion is of man not of God. No mater how you look at it "god" is real. There is one Creator and many "gods".
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Muffin
Ancient God of Chaos

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Re: God is not real. [Re: marz13]
#7728870 - 12/07/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scientist question God's existence because they really don't know. So they come up with their own answers. Those answers are based on a questions of doubt. They question because they really don't know. Other wise if they knew they would not question. To devote is to worship. Every man devote his life to some thing. Even the atheist. So "gods" exist. Look in your life and in the life of others. Look at history. Look into the future. Technology is a god to many. Have you ever heard someone say "I have nothing to live for"? That person lives for "self". When they are unhappy with themselves they become depressed. People worship ideas, rock bands or a person like the fagot ass pope.The list goes on and on. That's the journey that they are on. Think about it. In this earth man is the only created being with an urge to worship. What about accountability? Man is accountable for his actions. Order? The universe has order. Love? Like the love you have for a newborn baby. Pureness? Respect? Kindness? I'm not one of those religious church goers. I personally don't trust them, but I also don't trust science. Which is a form of religion. Religion is of man not of God. No mater how you look at it "god" is real. There is one Creator and many "gods".
People have said this to me before. I see where your coming from, but I do not agree at all. Someone told me if I don't believe in god I am then saying I am my own god. I guess people do have some SERIOUSLY different definitions. A religion and a purpose are different to me.
As far as Karma goes, if you are calling it a "supernatural" force, I don't thinks so. If you mean what I was talking about earlier, where events cause other events that tend to be appropriate "Reactions", then yes. That to me is nature, which to me is not given near enough admiration. You don't need supernatural forces to cause the events that happen around us. I agree there is a definite pattern to things, to me that is the way things naturally fall into place. (Oversimplified reasoning behind this) Water flows whatever way is natural for it, if it hits a rock, it goes around it, finds a pool, it hangs out there for a while, when you cause turmoil in the water it becomes less and less predictable what is going to happen. Its reacting to the events around it. I think this a VERY small scale example of how the universe works. There are too many factors to consider all of them, so when something just seems to "fit" into a situation, it seems like there must intelligence behind it. I say, "Shouldn't it just fit"? Nature is self regulating through consistency, not design. (at least I think so)
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blkjkrabbit

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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
#7728956 - 12/07/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thread doesn't belong in the pub. plus it's completely subjective and retarded to argue over
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ShiVersblood
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Dude, we found out the Roman God's were fake, Zeus and etc. That should be a clue man, clearly should be a clue.
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eurrgrh....
i have officially past the point in my life where i am willing to discuss religion. just wish i could have all those hours back and spend them doing something more productive like masturbating and smoking weed
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Muffin
Ancient God of Chaos

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I edited the original post, so as to avoid more confusion.
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this thread doesn't belong in the pub. plus it's completely subjective and retarded to argue over
It's not subjective at all. It's really not that complicated. is there a "god"? (Dictionary definition, if you make up your own idea of what "god" is, I cannot reasonably be expected to consider every possible random definition.) I think where most people disagree is some think it is a yes or no answer, (Like myself) and others think it is more complicated. You think its more complicated. I don't. Still simple.
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Muffin
Ancient God of Chaos

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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
#7729035 - 12/07/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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brb church.
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