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OfflineKonyap


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727216 - 12/07/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

god = love

love = everything

everything = a shroom trip thinkin bout how cavemen partyied and then how we jus built off it

its still there, just as complex as we are now


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727226 - 12/07/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh wait, just read it, allow me to clarify. I do not believe there is an "absolute truth" governed by a deity. I do believe there are consequenses for MOST our actions, but not because they are enforced by any kind of higher power. Sometimes when you kill someone, you get away with it. Sometimes you don't.


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InvisibleNoetical
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727227 - 12/07/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so to me it seems like you believe in absolute concepts...but these absolutes can't be entirely known by us...

so these absolutes would be transcendental


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Noetical]
    #7727229 - 12/07/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm leaning towards Nietzche these days. The only thing that matters in this world is power.


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727232 - 12/07/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Muffin said:
Oh wait, just read it, allow me to clarify. I do not believe there is an "absolute truth" governed by a deity. I do believe there are consequenses for MOST our actions, but not because they are enforced by any kind of higher power. Sometimes when you kill someone, you get away with it. Sometimes you don't.




If an all-powerful diety does not enforce consequences...then what does?


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InvisibleNoetical
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Re: God is not real. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7727238 - 12/07/07 01:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wish I could give you a hug and tell you everything is going to be okay Mr Flagg


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7727239 - 12/07/07 01:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

To an extent, yeah. I'm not sure what I believe. I am pretty sure of what I don't believe. Could I be wrong? Yes. Am I? Pretty sure no.


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InvisibleNoetical
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727243 - 12/07/07 02:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

edit: can't keep up with the convo


Edited by Noetical (12/07/07 02:02 AM)


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727246 - 12/07/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Muffin said:
Oh wait, just read it, allow me to clarify. I do not believe there is an "absolute truth" governed by a deity. I do believe there are consequenses for MOST our actions, but not because they are enforced by any kind of higher power. Sometimes when you kill someone, you get away with it. Sometimes you don't.



If an all-powerful diety does not enforce consequences...then what does?




Nothing. I don't think they get "Enforced". They just have consequences. It's different. Simple I know. Call it "cause and effect" perhaps? Like I said "MOST" of our actions. Some don't really have effects in our own lives. Butterfly flaps it's wings at point A), a hurricane happens at point B). But whats it to the butterfly? He's not in the hurricane. Effects happen, but I dont think they are enforced.


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727247 - 12/07/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All of the well-known theories on what existence is all about are unverifiable.

Nothing can be verified. The only things left that make any sense are nihilism and human instinct.


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727260 - 12/07/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Muffin said:
Quote:

Randalflagg said:
If an all-powerful diety does not enforce consequences...then what does?




Nothing. I don't think they get "Enforced". They just have consequences.




What are those consequences?


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7727278 - 12/07/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

consequences doesn't necessarily mean something like a punishment. It can be as simple as I lost my wallet, now I can't buy gas. I'm just saying I don't think it's as complicated as everyone makes it. Why does there have to be a "Meaning of life", or a "Creator"? Who created the creator? Matter is energy, energy is matter. Space is nothing. Void. Space doesn't technically exist. Its kinda like a unit of measurement. As is time. If I measure the distance between my hand and a glass of water, and it comes out to be 1 foot. what do you have between my had and the glass? nothing. Its just a way of looking at things. Matter and energy are the only Physical things that exist in the universe. they are arranged in various ways, and here we are. If time can truly have no beginning and no end, the matter was bound to form us sooner or later. and after the species is dead, and the big bang or whatever has happened a gillion more times, it will most likely happen again, in one form or another. Like I said, pretty simple. Could be the truth, could not be. We will never know for sure, but I am pretty sure it wasn't a "God".

Also, I appreciate you having a discussion about this instead of attacking me.


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Edited by Muffin (12/07/07 02:25 AM)


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Re: God is not real. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7727280 - 12/07/07 02:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Look how many people in this world today have brain problems. And if it isn't brain problems, then look how many of us believe in completely insane and inconsistent things. The world is not about power because people don't have the power to be able to control other people - most people don't even have a control of their own emotions or minds. Any illusion of power is the result of humans participating and allowing themselves to surrender their freedom to something outside of them.

The consequence of an unexplored mind is nothing less than cosmically tragic.


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7727283 - 12/07/07 02:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree "Power" is an illusion, but it becomes real when you grant someone power over you. While it doesn't really MEAN anything, the results of the power you give other people to manipulate you are very real.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727286 - 12/07/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

do you think something like justice is an absolute concept or relative to situation/men

(this has nothing to do with people in the sky)


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727290 - 12/07/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ie You elect a president, he tells you to go to war. While you can say "No", there will be repercussions. You have free will, but you don't really have the ability to resist if someone is stronger than you.


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727291 - 12/07/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

relative to situation/men


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727292 - 12/07/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If God's not real then what drives karma?

And if that doesn't work for you, did you see the video with the banana guy?  That guy's got it all figured out. :rolleyes:


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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7727294 - 12/07/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe in Karma. (although Buddhists are just about the LEAST stupid of all religions.)
The banana video is hard to argue with, I mean, its shaped PERFECT.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7727298 - 12/07/07 02:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some smartass is gonna say people-ma drive karmas. I know it.


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