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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: inv3rse]
    #7727102 - 12/07/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

...I am takling about a THINKING force. Intelligence is key. There are of course governing forces that work together to create everything taht has been created. I am speaking of a designer. To me a "God" is not physics, or math, or biology. People don't usually worship gravity.
"God" as defined by Google: # the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in ...
# deity: any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
# a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men"
# idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god"


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727104 - 12/07/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Muffin said:Were talking about thinking deities, not gravity. I thought that much would be obvious.




I'm not to well versed on this hear religion stuff but I think if you want to examine the essence and meat of it you should look at what these deities were representing. To me the what has always been more important.

I'd call the what god.

Are you a relativist?


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727109 - 12/07/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My definition is not Googles definition lol. Its my own. You should have clarified yourself about our view of God. No I cannot prove yours, though it is certainly possible. I can, however prove my version. Its ll in the context.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727111 - 12/07/07 12:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ever hear of trial and error?

Can't believe you use google for answers on subjects so subjective.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727112 - 12/07/07 12:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Muffin said:
People don't usually worship gravity.





Pythagoreans?


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727113 - 12/07/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And how do you define intelligence? According to certain interpretations of Gaia theory, nature can be considered intelligent(it certainly behaves like a living organism).


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Noetical]
    #7727115 - 12/07/07 12:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sure I don't worship gravity. I never said I did. I said I believe God is a force just like gravity. Something we could not explain a long time ago. Now we know everything about it. all in all


knowledge=God.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Silversoul]
    #7727117 - 12/07/07 12:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Read Mycelium Running by Paul. Lets talk about natural intelligence.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Cheezit]
    #7727118 - 12/07/07 12:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Cheezit said:
Read Mycelium Running by Paul. Lets talk about natural intelligence.



Already have. One of my favorite books.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Noetical]
    #7727124 - 12/07/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe this many people don't know what I'm talking about when I say "God", & "Deity". Do I really have to DEFINE every single word? It's making something more complicated than it needs to be when you KNOW what I mean. I shouldn't have to specify that temperature, or electricity don't qualify as a "God". If you make up your own definitions thats on you. I should not have to compensate.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727128 - 12/07/07 01:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

and Im not going to fucking "Define Intelligence".


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727130 - 12/07/07 01:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We are talking about a pretty complicated subject, so maybe you should start defining your words. Everyone has different definitions and those can change entire meanings.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727135 - 12/07/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also mycelium is not "God" either. (Although it's close) Humans are natural, we are intelligent. This is still not the topic.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727136 - 12/07/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think what a fair few folks are getting at is why beat around the bush about boogey men in the sky.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Noetical]
    #7727137 - 12/07/07 01:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What about the geodesic domes that build temples? Surely God had nothing to do with the math that helped embody his presence. Maybe God is a mathematical equation that always equals 0 Never more never less Infinite and always changing. Fallow the path around a 0 you always come back to the same point. What you do on the path can be what ever you choose whether god caugh* good or bad, and so it goes, as all actions cause ripples and all objects reflect the ripples of ones actions differently. All comes down to my God is the Cool god that goes by the school of cool ain't no tom foolery going on. It is what it is and it is what it is not, but it is what you want it to be when it is what you want is not.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Noetical]
    #7727138 - 12/07/07 01:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some old dead greek guy said you aint no shit if you can't define it


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727141 - 12/07/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Muffin said:
I don't believe this many people don't know what I'm talking about when I say "God", & "Deity". Do I really have to DEFINE every single word? It's making something more complicated than it needs to be when you KNOW what I mean.



I'm sorry, but we don't KNOW what you mean. "God" is one of those elusive words that has so many meanings that it's almost impossible to define. There's the paternalistic, anthropomorphic God of tradition Christian imagery. Then there's the elusive, sublime, mysterious God of Judaism and Islam. Then there's the detached, uninvolved "Nature's God" of deism. Then there's the Hindu Brahman which is the one absolute reality underlying the fleeting, relative reality of our normal senses. So I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask: What DO you mean by "God"?

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Also mycelium is not "God" either.



You might want to read the book being referred to before making a fool of yourself like this.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Cheezit]
    #7727142 - 12/07/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Cheezit said:
Read Mycelium Running by Paul. Lets talk about natural intelligence.





my mothers friend wrote that book


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727144 - 12/07/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean by "Definition", could you define it please?


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7727145 - 12/07/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are you a relativist if you are I can proceed with my boogey man argument


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