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OfflineMuffin
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Re: God is not real. [Re: notapillow]
    #7729662 - 12/07/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

People seem to be getting all uppity and saying you can't say there is no god, because you can never be sure, but plenty of people here are saying there IS a god and no one seems to be calling them out about it.
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. I guess this is an impossible subject for people to discuss without getting all pissed off. One day, when we have all evolved into super beings, maybe this conversation will be possible, but people just take it too personal when you dissagree with there beliefs. People just come in and start talking shit instead of addressing the subject.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7729673 - 12/07/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
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notapillow said:
im sure
dopies :shake:




I've never even tried heroin.. not like that should matter :whatever:



never said you did
i just called you dopie.
dopie


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729677 - 12/07/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Has anyone every stopped to think that perhaps many religions existing at once isnt mututally exclusive, but that theyre all the same?
Combine all religions, and that is spirituality.
Stop looking for differences. It is the similarities that matter. Ignore the holy books and focus on the message.



I agree some most of the major religions are similar, and they have some good stuff to teach. I think of religion as more like a farie tale with a moral. Just because you can't positively say something is wrong, because the goalpost can always be moved back to fit anyones argument, it doesn't mean at some point it doesnt become a little bit much to swallow.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729678 - 12/07/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Muffin said:
People seem to be getting all uppity and saying you can't say there is no god, because you can never be sure, but plenty of people here are saying there IS a god and no one seems to be calling them out about it.
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. I guess this is an impossible subject for people to discuss without getting all pissed off. One day, when we have all evolved into super beings, maybe this conversation will be possible, but people just take it too personal when you dissagree with there beliefs. People just come in and start talking shit instead of addressing the subject.



indeed
there is really no point


i have equal respect for both sides
but non for people who think above this dilema


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Re: God is not real. [Re: notapillow]
    #7729700 - 12/07/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think of religion as more like a farie tale with a moral.




I suppose that I agree with that a little.
Besides the bible, what hard proof is there of a conscious existant god like the one of Christian faith?

Many would say "god is all around us".......yet, how hard-core proof is that realisticly?

Why does the Christian god never speak to any one any more? He used to even talk to those whom did not care to listen to him.

If the bible were to be taken away, what *real* proof would there be......*OBJECTIVE* proof.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729710 - 12/07/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I'm of the opinion that just because you can't verify something, doesn't mean it's not worth looking into. To each there own.

Also, the above post of mine refers mostly to "organized religions". I do not deny the POSSIBILITY of some form of "god" but I do adamantly deny the probability.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Desu]
    #7729711 - 12/07/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Faith and proof are mutually exclusive, Christians will never prove the existence of their God because it denies faith. They see no need to.

I think there's a higher power, but no way it can be sentient.
If it is sentient, it's a sadist.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7729722 - 12/07/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Muffin, prove you exist.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: learningtofly]
    #7729733 - 12/07/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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learningtofly said:
Muffin, prove you exist.




Well.......Muffin is typing....right? You can acquiesce that much.

I've never seen god type any thing before. I wonder why..


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729798 - 12/07/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just jacked off in the shower like, 3 minutes ago, things that don't exist, don't jack off.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729813 - 12/07/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that theory is flimsy at best


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729842 - 12/07/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Moving goalpost. Always pushing the burden of proof farther away until it is no longer attainable. Does common sense not count for anything anymore? Do I exist? YES. Saying I can't prove I do is not a point at all, let alone a good one.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: notapillow]
    #7729849 - 12/07/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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notapillow said:
that theory is flimsy at best




I'm not finding a problem with it.

If one were to masturbate, one would be required to exist.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Desu]
    #7729854 - 12/07/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if i diddnt exist i would never stop masturbating  :shrug:


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Muffin]
    #7729912 - 12/07/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also, It was not flimsy at all, it was hard as steel. I took the randalflag challenge. (Obviously I lost.)


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Desu]
    #7729917 - 12/07/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If reality is subjective than God does and does not exist at the same time so this Entity or perhaps symbol of good merely however you see it.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: learningtofly]
    #7730031 - 12/07/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Do *I* exist in YOUR subjective reality then?? Are we all in OUR OWN little REALITY?.......Can I not COMMUNICATE with you?

Apparently even though some things are experienced differently by different people, there is *some thing* MUTUAL about reality as well..

If you eat an apple on a table, I can't eat it. It affects us BOTH.

If I throw a rock at you, you would feel it.

If we can not at least agree upon THAT........then I guess this thread, and what I am typing, and in fact my entire existence is ALL exclusively in YOUR reality and no one else's.

We are like a prism..........light that enters refracts differently for different people.........yet the fact is, the light is still there.

There are things that MULTIPLE people can mutually agree exist, or that things act a certain way. Hence science describing how things work. Science is not merely some crap some one decided to come up with in their "own reality".


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Desu]
    #7730159 - 12/07/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Desu said:
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learningtofly said:
Muffin, prove you exist.




Well.......Muffin is typing....right? You can acquiesce that much.

I've never seen god type any thing before. I wonder why..




Because he's busy sucking cock, I mean, "he" isn't real.


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Re: God is not real. [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7731241 - 12/07/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Why can't people accept the fact that religion is dumb?





religion and god are two very different things


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Re: God is not real. [Re: learningtofly]
    #7731498 - 12/08/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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learningtofly said:
If reality is subjective than God does and does not exist at the same time...



I think this is a vital point.


Debates about God are never 'simple concepts.' It's the first question; it's the same as asking "Why are we here?" Speaking about infinity or nothingness just can't be put into a neat little box for everyone to understand the same way. The world we experience is completely subjective.

Beliefs are things people think are true for whatever reason. It's an opinion, a view - it can't be proven one way or the other. If it could, there would be no reason to 'believe'.

I believe We are God. Consciousness. Life and God are the same thing. Maybe you interpret that to mean there is no God. Does it make any difference what either of us thinks? Can we not just accept the fact that God is far too complex for any mere human to completely understand, and go about our lives?
I don't think so.


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