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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: kotik]
#7729947 - 12/07/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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kotik said: the way I see it, being able to feel the way one does on drugs, but without using anything but concentration... that is enlightenment.
and from what I understand, nobody can really tell me otherwise without looking like a hypocrite
that is just about the freedom to shift through mental states when it seems suitable to bring more light into the system, a part of it for sure, but more so is the alleviation of suffering by doing good works.
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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: redgreenvines]
#7730195 - 12/07/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I struggle with the concept of "good works." I have yet to find a definition that satisfied me. Work I understand, but "good" is way too subjective for me to take seriously.
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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: kotik]
#7730271 - 12/07/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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kotik said: the way I see it, being able to feel the way one does on drugs, but without using anything but concentration... that is enlightenment.
I have learned to simulate the effects of cannabis by focusing on my third eye(and thus have no need for pot anymore). I hope to eventually do the same for psychedelics. But even then, I doubt such a mental state could truly be called "enlightenment."
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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: kotik]
#7730854 - 12/07/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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kotik said: I struggle with the concept of "good works." I have yet to find a definition that satisfied me. Work I understand, but "good" is way too subjective for me to take seriously.
in context of enlightenment good - brings on more wakefulness in a more sustainable way a) healthful b) spiritual
it is self-referentially "good" (wrt enlightenment)
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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: Silversoul]
#7730876 - 12/07/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think psychedelics can point people in the right direction. Step #1. You are not your thoughts, life is best without attachments, etc. Like Huxley said, the trip is a 'gratuitous grace' - neither necessary nor sufficient for enlightenment. I'm sure most people, before they had tripped, had no IDEA what was possible, how the world could be changed, how life could be lived differently. After that revelation, its up to us to practice.
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Re: Enlightenment....Through Chemicals [Re: Noviseer]
#7731878 - 12/08/07 03:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Noviseer said: I'm sure most people, before they had tripped, had no IDEA what was possible, how the world could be changed, how life could be lived differently. After that revelation, its up to us to practice.

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