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kody260z
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Death
#7726499 - 12/06/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure quite a few of us here have experienced, in some way, completely losing your body and existing purely in the spirit or soul form. This happened for me from Salvia. Many other people report this from DMT, from extreme doses of LSD or Mushies, or even from Astral Projection.
The question is, is this proof that our soul/spirit exists after our body dies? When on a full blown Salvia trip, I swear, my body is absolutely useless and I am completely "out" of it. Do I still rely on my body at this point?
Might these experiences prove that some form of life after death does exist?
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i certainly don't think they prove the existence of anything except the states which they induce. insight can definitely be gained about the nature of consciousness in the moments as they unfold in a salvia trip, or on any other psychedelic. the question to me is whether these experiences are applicable to oneself, i.e. helpful in understanding one's experience, not whether they allow us to create new beliefs on top of our old ones. go with your gut.
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There's no proof of anything of course. When you feel this way you are experiencing a chemical balance in your brain from the substance you put in your neurological system. Adding this chemical to your brain causes a reaction hence your experience. The question is why do you get such strong emotions from this state of being that causes you to be so curious about it?
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Veritas

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Might these experiences prove that some form of life after death does exist?
No. Unless you actually die & experience life afterwards, these experiences are entirely unrelated to evidence of an afterlife. It may seem as though you leave your body, yet your body is still there, breathing, digesting, growing hair and nails, and your brain is still within your skull, giving rise to the consciousness which has been temporarily "severed" from awareness of your body.
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Re: Death [Re: Veritas]
#7728044 - 12/07/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Veritas said:
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Might these experiences prove that some form of life after death does exist?
No. Unless you actually die & experience life afterwards, these experiences are entirely unrelated to evidence of an afterlife. .
entirely unrelated?
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Veritas

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Yes, entirely. As long as your body is still alive, your experiences have no relevance to an after life. An afterlife is only possible if our consciousness does not rely upon our body.
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Re: Death [Re: Veritas]
#7728095 - 12/07/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, entirely. As long as your body is still alive, your experiences have no relevance to an after life. An afterlife is only possible if our consciousness does not rely upon our body.
May be the term should be afterbody, not afterlife.
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Veritas

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It doesn't really matter, IMO, as your body must be dead in either case. It seems likely that consciousness is an emergent property, and thus not sustained without a body.
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Re: Death [Re: Veritas]
#7728880 - 12/07/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i believe that entheogens and meditation give you a taste of the afterlife to help with the transition in the end.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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kody260z
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I like that last post...I guess that's how it seems to me as well. While sure these experiences may not be PROOF of an afterlife, it seems like it at leasts hints at it, or at least some form of the soul staying "alive"...
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Desu


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kody260z said: or at least some form of the soul staying "alive"...
Yes.
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