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Re: Omaha Shooter was Medicated [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7726601 - 12/06/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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DieCommie said:
Blame the drugs huh?  Sounds like proponents of our current prohibition...  Fuck that  :thumbdown:




No, the drugs aren't to blame. That would be ridiculous.

Responsibility goes to ourselves first and foremost, and secondly to the corporations who are not being honest about the adverse effects of the drugs they produce.


  So by that logic, would the cocaine dealer who's junkie murders a shop keeper be 'secondly' liable for the murder?  Would an ecstasy dealer be 'secondly' liable for the dehydration and death of a teen in a night club?  I personally dont think so, but I can see the argument you might have that they are.


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Re: Omaha Shooter was Medicated [Re: shroom_ninja]
    #7726672 - 12/06/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I went through some serious depression as a kid... like most people growing up. I took a lot of different anti-depressants that either did nothing or just fucked with my head. I stopped quickly and distanced myself from all doctors that recommended them. I took change upon myself. You know what changed my life? Mushrooms, LSD, and MDMA... the experiences I had caused me to have revelations in regards to life that never left me. I just had this realization, that no matter what happens... I'm completely in control of my personal happiness. Ever since my life has been different. Of course I've been down sometimes... but it was easy for me to realign my mind and accept my situation as it was and rediscover personal happiness regardless of what was happening around me. Now today, no matter what happens, I can still crack an authentic smile and cruise on looking onwards towards the future.


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"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, green and love of power!" - P.J. O'Rourke


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Re: Omaha Shooter was Medicated [Re: emrandel]
    #7726702 - 12/06/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Omaha Shooter was Medicated [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7726724 - 12/06/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Enormous evidence connects mind-altering prescription drugs with violent acts.




Well, evidence also connects violent media with violent acts (see here and here). What causes violent actions is a complex of numerous factors, non of which should be singled out.





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Re: Omaha Shooter was Medicated [Re: DieCommie]
    #7726796 - 12/06/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would say that the person who murders someone is firstly responsible for the murder. The drug dealer would indeed be "secondly" responsible, if not farther down the line, after societal influences, parents/childhood, financial causes, etc.

Drug violence is really not related to the debate though. I see how you're comparing the two here, but it isn't a good comparison. I do strongly agree with you that drug companies could definitely be more honest about side-effects, let there be no mistake.

However, I don't think they should be held responsible when they fail to cure something that would/could have very likely been a far worse scenario without their involvement.

The way I see it, if 1 in 100,000 depression sufferers commit dramatic violent acts, or commit suicide, directly caused by the medication, then I would say that the fact that without any medication whatsoever, that number would probably be a lot higher.

Case in point, you are correct. Pharmaceutical companies need to be up-front about risks and side-effects, and need to study them more closely, but they should be given the same general rights as a doctor who tries to save a car-crash patient but fails. The doctor wasn't responsible for the crash. Cars are, road conditions are, weather is, the driver(s) are, alcohol might be, etc. A doctors mistake could cost someone their life, but only because the patient put that responsibility upon the doctor in the first place.

The same goes for anti-depression medication.
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