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Time- Fake?
    #7726008 - 12/06/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726021 - 12/06/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726026 - 12/06/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time is real...but theres a possibility it can be fake...maybe there are parallel universes or something...maybe the past is still happening, maybe the future is already happening, maybe we are living in the past...who knows. It is too complicated to wrap my mind around it.


Edited by moses (12/06/07 08:08 PM)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726027 - 12/06/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

we created time by using the sun and how our bodies age its just a value we use to make things more easily understood and how old someone is or what time to meet up so on and so forth, whether or not its an illusion its here and we use it

also what is here is here now and what isnt, isnt but what isnt here might be "here" or there in another demenision


Edited by milkman (12/06/07 08:09 PM)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: newlife]
    #7726028 - 12/06/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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newlife said:
Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.



As in a plane do u mean going in a different direction?


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726036 - 12/06/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I feel similar to you on this issue
its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once.
Time is just a measurement for humans
however this is just my thoughts and no real theory behind it
the only conflict I have with this idea is that I must then believe in fate, which I'm not 100% ok with. I like to believe that I have free will


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726041 - 12/06/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

a plane is a flat figure stretching to infinity in all directions 2d though i think


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726044 - 12/06/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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milkman said:

also what is here is here now and what isnt, isnt but what isnt here might be "here" or there in another demenision




good point


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726045 - 12/06/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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cagerplaya247 said:
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newlife said:
Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.



As in a plane do u mean going in a different direction?



Yeah, I saw it on the science channel, it was crazy. They explained the theory if time was on a plane. Meaning that there are an infinite number of possible directions time can go in.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726047 - 12/06/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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milkman said:
we created time by using the sun and how our bodies age its just a value we use to make things more easily understood and how old someone is or what time to meet up so on and so forth, whether or not its an illusion its here and we use it

also what is here is here now and what isnt, isnt but what isnt here might be "here" or there in another demenision



I am not speaking about mental time. I am talking about other universes and they are all happening at the same exact time. Imagine this time is infinite and space is infinite. So what i am typing right now is already in the past so what is the present?


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: newlife]
    #7726054 - 12/06/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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newlife said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
Quote:

newlife said:
Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.



As in a plane do u mean going in a different direction?



Yeah, I saw it on the science channel, it was crazy. They explained the theory if time was on a plane. Meaning that there are an infinite number of possible directions time can go in.



Yes i believe this but i also believe it can go many ways but it already has gone all the ways. It is hard to explain but it kind of relates to parallel universes.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726058 - 12/06/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the present is you reading this sentence but when your done its the past understand?


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: newlife]
    #7726063 - 12/06/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time is not strictly linear, but for the sake of practical application, it is observed as such (and, generally, it appears as such).

Time does not necessarily go forward in one direction forever. It probably does, but that's partially because are so used to seeing it like that (hit some nitrous while on something else and this view may become more open ;-) ).

Since you can only physically see the world as one perspective while you are living as this current thing, it's hard to think of time in a more abstract way.

Or something like that? This could all just easily be taken as rambling ;-)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726069 - 12/06/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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the present is you reading this sentence but when your done its the past understand?



I can kind of understand that but a number can always be halved. So basically i am saying it is infinite because 1/2 of a millisecond has passed reading this and so on.
I really want to figure this out because all of my lsd and mushroom trips are based around this one theory.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726071 - 12/06/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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cagerplaya247 said:
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newlife said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
Quote:

newlife said:
Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.



As in a plane do u mean going in a different direction?



Yeah, I saw it on the science channel, it was crazy. They explained the theory if time was on a plane. Meaning that there are an infinite number of possible directions time can go in.



Yes i believe this but i also believe it can go many ways but it already has gone all the ways. It is hard to explain but it kind of relates to parallel universes.



This is such a topic which should be discussed while shrooming lol. Its almost impossible to accurately explain time. As of now there are only theories. I dont think that we can ever fully understand time. Possibly we dont have the mental functioning to fully comprehend it.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726079 - 12/06/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

once somethign start becoming the past cant be measure it is 0 milliseconds when the past beginsand at 1 millisecond its even further into the past BUT -1 millisecond is the future time line -1---------------------FUTURE0PAST--------------------1PAST zero IS the present


i conclude


sorry for being so incoherent but i gots to poop


Edited by milkman (12/06/07 08:20 PM)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: newlife]
    #7726080 - 12/06/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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newlife said:
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cagerplaya247 said:
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newlife said:
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cagerplaya247 said:
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newlife said:
Most people see time as something linear. That time goes on forever in one direction. Does anyone understand what time would be like if it were on a plane? I kinda do and dont, so if anyone understands it'll be an interesting read.



As in a plane do u mean going in a different direction?



Yeah, I saw it on the science channel, it was crazy. They explained the theory if time was on a plane. Meaning that there are an infinite number of possible directions time can go in.



Yes i believe this but i also believe it can go many ways but it already has gone all the ways. It is hard to explain but it kind of relates to parallel universes.



This is such a topic which should be discussed while shrooming lol. Its almost impossible to accurately explain time. As of now there are only theories. I dont think that we can ever fully understand time. Possibly we dont have the mental functioning to fully comprehend it.



It is truely this shit that makes me believe in God because theories believe time all the sudden began, but what begun it. Something that understands way more than anything can comprehend. Someday in life we will all understand all of our theories.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726085 - 12/06/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

did u no that time is relative
and that twins who were born at the same time
could be years different
depending on were the twins lived
for instance
if 1 twin went into a rocket ship and went fast a FUCK
then when he came back his twin would b much older than him
thats crazy 2 me maaaaaan!


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726089 - 12/06/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dont get it coaster lol


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726095 - 12/06/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Coaster said:
did u no that time is relative
and that twins who were born at the same time
could be years different
depending on were the twins lived
for instance
if 1 twin went into a rocket ship and went fast a FUCK
then when he came back his twin would b much older than him
thats crazy 2 me maaaaaan!



Yes they have proven this too.
Light is the speed limit in space though. If you achieve light speed. You achieve time travel.


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Re: Time- Fake? *DELETED* [Re: mikeytro]
    #7726097 - 12/06/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: landlord75]
    #7726110 - 12/06/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: landlord75]
    #7726117 - 12/06/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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mikeytro said:
I feel similar to you on this issue
its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once.
Time is just a measurement for humans
however this is just my thoughts and no real theory behind it
the only conflict I have with this idea is that I must then believe in fate, which I'm not 100% ok with. I like to believe that I have free will




"its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once." - Then where are the dinosaurs?



I dont think you understand, it is hard to explain but it is kind of like there is millions of universes.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726121 - 12/06/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Querjek]
    #7726130 - 12/06/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

want me to blow your mind?

The more gravity their is....the slower time goes

The less....the faster time goes.

When you live in space (if you lived in space) you would age faster than you would living on earth.

Conversely....the MOST gravity that can be applied to someone (IE: whilst being sucked into a black hole) one could never experience the motion of time becuase at that point...there is no time.

From an outside point of view...the person in the ship (and the ship itself) would never reach the black hole. However if you yourself decided to investegate you would find that the ship (and yourself) were frozen in time. (but regardless it would kill you, becuase in all actuallity you WERE sucked up into the black hole, you technically would just never realize it or know it, in the sense of the motion of time...you most certainly would be dead however)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
    #7726137 - 12/06/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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want me to blow your mind?

The more gravity their is....the slower time goes

The less....the faster time goes.

When you live in space (if you lived in space) you would age faster than you would living on earth.

Conversely....the MOST gravity that can be applied to someone (IE: whilst being sucked into a black hole) one could never experience the motion of time becuase at that point...there is no time.

From an outside point of view...the person in the ship (and the ship itself) would never reach the black hole. However if you yourself decided to investegate you would find that the ship (and yourself) were frozen in time. (but regardless it would kill you, becuase in all actuallity you WERE sucked up into the black hole, you technically would just never realize it or know it, in the sense of the motion of time...you most certainly would be dead however)



So if earth was sucked into a black hole we would never know it would just be normal still. This is where i conclude that everything happens at the same time.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
    #7726138 - 12/06/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

where did you read the gravity governs time?


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726142 - 12/06/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe we will ever truly understand ourselves. Maybe the fragmentation of the greater self and the existence of time outside the infinite provide us sanity and distract us from the greater truth, which is just as painful as it is pleasant. But infinitely painful and infinitely pleasant.

Everything is millions of paradoxes that must exist. Just by understanding, your limiting yourself in feeling the simple complexities. The mystery is what captivates life.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726145 - 12/06/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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where did you read the gravity governs time?



Light governs gravity. That is one of Einstein's theories.


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Re: Time- Fake? *DELETED* [Re: fishfear07]
    #7726147 - 12/06/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: landlord75]
    #7726162 - 12/06/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK, i am going to log out but i definitely want to continue this thread tomorrow.
Peace Out!


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726170 - 12/06/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A body when left to itself travels so that the time, measured by its clocks, is the longest. If it had travelled by any other route from one event to another, the time would be shorter. This is saying that bodies left to themselves make their journeys as slowly as they can. Russell refers to this as a law of cosmic laziness. Mathematically, they travel in geodesics, in which the total interval between any two events on the journey is GREATER than by any other alternative route. (The fact that it is greater and not less is because the sort of interval we are considering is more analogous to time than to distance.) So, if someone flies off into space and comes back to earth after a while, the time between departure and return would be less by their clocks than by the clocks on earth, since the earth, during its journey around the sun, chooses the route so that any bit of it is measured longer than any other alternative route.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726188 - 12/06/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i understand the light governs gravity but why would gravity govern time


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726195 - 12/06/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i govern ur mom


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726227 - 12/06/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The easiest way to manipulate time uses memory and perception.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726232 - 12/06/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Regarding the time being relative arguement

I don't think there is any discrepency of thought regarding time being relative, ofcourse it is relative.

Think about THIS: The time that we experience is VASTLY different than the time you would experience on say...another planet, even in our very own solar system (this has nothing to do with how we measure time, obviously it takes a lot more earth days for pluto to travel its orbit around the sun) But living on pluto (if possible ofcourse) you would percieve time differently.....

Just to give you an idea of how relative....ANYTHING can be...i mean we get so caught up in living on earth we don't realize that there is so much other...different (MUCH DIFFERENT) shit out there.

There are cloud formations on saturn that make hexagons, its been proven, we have actual photographic evidence. This disproves newtonian theory!

The point i'm trying to make is that time on earth is merely how we as humans on planet EARTH percieve time, imagine living in a different solar system, fuck even a different galaxy...It could be so completely different and alien than how we live life. Read the book slaughterhouse five, it will help your understanding of time... (regardless of how metaphorical or symbolic his intentions may have been, its still a good read)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
    #7726251 - 12/06/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't have quite the same power when a student of science regurgitates something one of his professors has said, but if you are a science nut, go crazy

and

read this:
http://www.mth.uct.ac.za/omei/gr/chap5/node8.html


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726266 - 12/06/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the question is if man can comprehend the truth at all.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
    #7726275 - 12/06/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i govern ur mom





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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726294 - 12/06/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i govern ur mom





no




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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Compass]
    #7726632 - 12/06/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Relativity makes no sense to me.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726658 - 12/06/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe at one time there was a race of real people like us, who were us, who inhabited the earth, and they were killed off in a massive neuclear holocaust or some other sort of apocalyptic event and we are actually the collective conscious of that civilization replaying the events throughout its history until our eventual end, whereupon the cycle will begin anew. Wow I'm high.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726791 - 12/06/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i understand the light governs gravity but why would gravity govern time



Look up gravitational time dilation. The closer you are to a source of gravity the slower time goes.

If time is fake then our whole system of speed is useless because its distance over a certain period of time. So wouldn't that make movement, speed, and distance all fake also.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Lysergsaure]
    #7727007 - 12/07/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think that time is real but perceived relatively. for instance, i do believe the universe BEGAN and is now where it is now. hence a passing of time. but how fast time is passing is relative to how fast you are going (ie speed of light)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: evolprim]
    #7727154 - 12/07/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think its real i believe we just created it in our minds to be useful to measure and make sense of things on earth. If it is real i don't really see any use for it because time outside of earth is like trying to measure something with a ruler where each inch is a different size.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Lysergsaure]
    #7727269 - 12/07/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps time can be described as a tube, and we are just traveling through this tube at our own speed. There may even be an infinite amount of tubes with separate time lines, each for a another universe. Which would therefore make the possibility of traveling to another universe a reality through means of time travel. Which is possible due to the recent discovery that speeds in excess of that of light are possible.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7727313 - 12/07/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time is infinite, as is existence in general. There is no present, past, or future. Something that is infinitely small is infinitely large as well. Well, its inverse has to be somewhere. Is it not contained in existence too? Its all part of the same infinitude.

The concept of time is indeed man-made. It is perhaps one of the first tools that we created that helps us function as humans(vague statement I know), but hinders our ability to connect to infinity.

Animals, plants, and fungi do not have any concept of time. Hence, they are experiencing infinity, but the catch 22 is that they do not have the awareness to realize they are infinite. Our catch 22 is that we can have the understanding of infinity, but can not actually realize it. Its always only a fleeting feeling. The closest we can get is through deep meditation, sleep, or mind altering substances, but we always eventually sober/wake up. The only other way to experience it is to die.
This is my interpretation of the statement by Wu-Men from the 13th century...
"When you meet the Buddha, you kill the Buddha."

I snipped that out of case 1 of "The Gateless Barrier."
Its the most fascinating, short-winded approach to understanding existence that I have ever read. Quite inspiring if you are in the right frame of mind to read it. Thought I'd share it.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: akb112211]
    #7727336 - 12/07/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Time is infinite, as is existence in general. There is no present, past, or future. Something that is infinitely small is infinitely large as well. Well, its inverse has to be somewhere. Is it not contained in existence too? Its all part of the same infinitude.

The concept of time is indeed man-made. It is perhaps one of the first tools that we created that helps us function as humans(vague statement I know), but hinders our ability to connect to infinity.

Animals, plants, and fungi do not have any concept of time. Hence, they are experiencing infinity, but the catch 22 is that they do not have the awareness to realize they are infinite. Our catch 22 is that we can have the understanding of infinity, but can not actually realize it. Its always only a fleeting feeling. The closest we can get is through deep meditation, sleep, or mind altering substances, but we always eventually sober/wake up. The only other way to experience it is to die. 
This is my interpretation of the statement by Wu-Men from the 13th century...
"When you meet the Buddha, you kill the Buddha."

I snipped that out of case 1 of "The Gateless Barrier."
Its the most fascinating, short-winded approach to understanding existence that I have ever read. Quite inspiring if you are in the right frame of mind to read it. Thought I'd share it.



Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it for us.:thumbup:


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7727414 - 12/07/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

time exists only in relation to physical bodies. humans are a mix of bodymind so they can perceive it differently. in a sense time is a human concept. and doesn't exist for any other living being.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7727448 - 12/07/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7727460 - 12/07/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening. 
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment.  Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space.  Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm.  How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already.  But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.




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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: mikeytro]
    #7728139 - 12/07/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I feel similar to you on this issue
its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once.
Time is just a measurement for humans
however this is just my thoughts and no real theory behind it
the only conflict I have with this idea is that I must then believe in fate, which I'm not 100% ok with. I like to believe that I have free will


You don't have to believe in fate. You just have to believe that you've already made all your decisions, based on what and who you are.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7728155 - 12/07/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.


It does sound like a stupid theory, but you would be ignorant to assume that you understand it so thoroughly when there's no true evidence one way or the other. In the realm of the "supernatural," which is possibly only the scientifically unexplained, there can't always be understanding.

Just an example: There was a time when people thought stars were holes in the Ether, which was basically a supernatural coating over top of the flat world. You would have been called a jackass if you dared to suggest that people were staring into something called a "universe" of infinite size.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7728931 - 12/07/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lighten up there FRANCIS.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7729005 - 12/07/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.



Alright first of all. Take a fucking Valium, second of all you don't have to get pissed off about stupid shit, third of all get some respect cause everyone has their own ideas. Oh, and last of all go shove a fucking cock up your bitchy little cunt.
Thank you for pissing me off.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7729012 - 12/07/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:  LOL


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #7730392 - 12/07/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I often spend time contemplating time(pun intended), and I think I have my own understanding of what it is.


Understanding and being able to know time is a characteristic of life, but how you experience it is subjective. Obviously if we were somewhere else in the universe we would have different time. I also believe time has no beginning or end. It just is. Where there is space, there is time, they can not go on without being hand in hand.

Time is just another dimension. For all the experiences we have, we can never experience a different dimension, say a 2D world. Which also makes me think it is impossible for anything in a 3D space to ever transcend time. Time is just a completely different dimension, and to be able to transcend it would mean to be in control of pretty much everything.

I also think there is a past present and future. Going from point A to point B means you have traveled time.


And this final thought is just from my own experiences. I think it is possible for every human to see into the future, and I think we do it on a subconscious level. Ever notice when your thinking of someone and the next instance that person walks through the door or calls you on your phone. It has already been proven that the brain does in fact work a few seconds into the future. That would explain Deja Vu, almost like your brain hiccuping.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7730496 - 12/07/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Everything is happening instantly. Everything that has ever happened or will happen is actually happening all the time, in one single moment. Time is just the human mind's way of comprehending all of these simultaneous events, by putting them in a linear order.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: crackawebsta]
    #7730530 - 12/07/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you're into 'new-age' concepts, read The Seth Materialby Jane Roberts. The concepts of time covered in those series of books, explain it in such a way that modern quantum mechanics agrees upon.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Grylls]
    #7730559 - 12/07/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time and space are "root assumptions" of this plane of existence; i.e., they are essentially illusory, and both the past and future coexist with the present in what Seth referred to as the "spacious present". Therefore, a person's incarnations in different time periods are actually lived simultaneously, as opposed to consecutively. Communication among the various past, present and future selves occurs during the dream state. Time appears to exist in a linear form because of limitations inherent in the physical human brain. Development, expansion, growth and change do not require time in order to occur.

--Taken from Wikipedia, on the tenet of time by the Seth Material.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Grylls]
    #7731086 - 12/07/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time is one of those things that, whether it does objectively exist outside our own perceptions, it doesn't really matter because every human percieves it so as far as we are concerned it is very real, and does progress in a very linear fashion.

If you wanna see an awesome movie about the quantum physics behind this kind of shit, watch "What the bleep do we know?" it's kind of stupid at times but it's interesting.


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