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OfflineKristian
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Compass]
    #7726632 - 12/06/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Relativity makes no sense to me.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7726658 - 12/06/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe at one time there was a race of real people like us, who were us, who inhabited the earth, and they were killed off in a massive neuclear holocaust or some other sort of apocalyptic event and we are actually the collective conscious of that civilization replaying the events throughout its history until our eventual end, whereupon the cycle will begin anew. Wow I'm high.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
    #7726791 - 12/06/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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milkman said:
i understand the light governs gravity but why would gravity govern time



Look up gravitational time dilation. The closer you are to a source of gravity the slower time goes.

If time is fake then our whole system of speed is useless because its distance over a certain period of time. So wouldn't that make movement, speed, and distance all fake also.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Lysergsaure]
    #7727007 - 12/07/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think that time is real but perceived relatively. for instance, i do believe the universe BEGAN and is now where it is now. hence a passing of time. but how fast time is passing is relative to how fast you are going (ie speed of light)


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: evolprim]
    #7727154 - 12/07/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think its real i believe we just created it in our minds to be useful to measure and make sense of things on earth. If it is real i don't really see any use for it because time outside of earth is like trying to measure something with a ruler where each inch is a different size.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Lysergsaure]
    #7727269 - 12/07/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps time can be described as a tube, and we are just traveling through this tube at our own speed. There may even be an infinite amount of tubes with separate time lines, each for a another universe. Which would therefore make the possibility of traveling to another universe a reality through means of time travel. Which is possible due to the recent discovery that speeds in excess of that of light are possible.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7727313 - 12/07/07 02:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time is infinite, as is existence in general. There is no present, past, or future. Something that is infinitely small is infinitely large as well. Well, its inverse has to be somewhere. Is it not contained in existence too? Its all part of the same infinitude.

The concept of time is indeed man-made. It is perhaps one of the first tools that we created that helps us function as humans(vague statement I know), but hinders our ability to connect to infinity.

Animals, plants, and fungi do not have any concept of time. Hence, they are experiencing infinity, but the catch 22 is that they do not have the awareness to realize they are infinite. Our catch 22 is that we can have the understanding of infinity, but can not actually realize it. Its always only a fleeting feeling. The closest we can get is through deep meditation, sleep, or mind altering substances, but we always eventually sober/wake up. The only other way to experience it is to die.
This is my interpretation of the statement by Wu-Men from the 13th century...
"When you meet the Buddha, you kill the Buddha."

I snipped that out of case 1 of "The Gateless Barrier."
Its the most fascinating, short-winded approach to understanding existence that I have ever read. Quite inspiring if you are in the right frame of mind to read it. Thought I'd share it.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: akb112211]
    #7727336 - 12/07/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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akb112211 said:
Time is infinite, as is existence in general. There is no present, past, or future. Something that is infinitely small is infinitely large as well. Well, its inverse has to be somewhere. Is it not contained in existence too? Its all part of the same infinitude.

The concept of time is indeed man-made. It is perhaps one of the first tools that we created that helps us function as humans(vague statement I know), but hinders our ability to connect to infinity.

Animals, plants, and fungi do not have any concept of time. Hence, they are experiencing infinity, but the catch 22 is that they do not have the awareness to realize they are infinite. Our catch 22 is that we can have the understanding of infinity, but can not actually realize it. Its always only a fleeting feeling. The closest we can get is through deep meditation, sleep, or mind altering substances, but we always eventually sober/wake up. The only other way to experience it is to die. 
This is my interpretation of the statement by Wu-Men from the 13th century...
"When you meet the Buddha, you kill the Buddha."

I snipped that out of case 1 of "The Gateless Barrier."
Its the most fascinating, short-winded approach to understanding existence that I have ever read. Quite inspiring if you are in the right frame of mind to read it. Thought I'd share it.



Interesting stuff, thanks for posting it for us.:thumbup:


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7727414 - 12/07/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

time exists only in relation to physical bodies. humans are a mix of bodymind so they can perceive it differently. in a sense time is a human concept. and doesn't exist for any other living being.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7727448 - 12/07/07 05:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7727460 - 12/07/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening. 
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment.  Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space.  Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm.  How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already.  But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.




looks like you've failed.

:stfu:


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: mikeytro]
    #7728139 - 12/07/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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mikeytro said:
I feel similar to you on this issue
its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once.
Time is just a measurement for humans
however this is just my thoughts and no real theory behind it
the only conflict I have with this idea is that I must then believe in fate, which I'm not 100% ok with. I like to believe that I have free will


You don't have to believe in fate. You just have to believe that you've already made all your decisions, based on what and who you are.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7728155 - 12/07/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.


It does sound like a stupid theory, but you would be ignorant to assume that you understand it so thoroughly when there's no true evidence one way or the other. In the realm of the "supernatural," which is possibly only the scientifically unexplained, there can't always be understanding.

Just an example: There was a time when people thought stars were holes in the Ether, which was basically a supernatural coating over top of the flat world. You would have been called a jackass if you dared to suggest that people were staring into something called a "universe" of infinite size.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7728931 - 12/07/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lighten up there FRANCIS.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7729005 - 12/07/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Ell Ess Bree said:
Quote:

cagerplaya247 said:
I believe time is only an illusion, and everything has already happened. This means we are going through what has already happened but what has already happened is still happening.
This is a very confusing topic and i want to hear some of other peoples thoughts.
Thank you.




This stupid fucking shit pisses me right the fuck off, and this idiocy is just what I need to read first fucking thing in the morning.

First off, too many fucking psych-newbs say this shit because they want to spout some kind of half-assed enlightenment. Second off, HOW IS TIME FAKE, YOU MORON?

Time is a fucking measure of objects in space. Instead of the 3 other dimensions being at 3:30pm, they were at 3:31pm. How the fuck is that fake?

Maybe you think the PROGRESSION OF TIME MOVING ALONG is fake, since you said you think everything exists already. But if that is the case, then you think the PROGRESSION of time is an illusion, not time itself.

I swear, if I hear one more god damn mtv-i-wanna-be-made-into-a-psychonaut-because-i'm-a-fag queer get on here and say that time is fake, I'm going to find them, plant coke and meth lab equipment all over their house and call the god damn DEA on them.

Fuck you for pissing me off with your stupidity.



Alright first of all. Take a fucking Valium, second of all you don't have to get pissed off about stupid shit, third of all get some respect cause everyone has their own ideas. Oh, and last of all go shove a fucking cock up your bitchy little cunt.
Thank you for pissing me off.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: cagerplaya247]
    #7729012 - 12/07/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:  LOL


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #7730392 - 12/07/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I often spend time contemplating time(pun intended), and I think I have my own understanding of what it is.


Understanding and being able to know time is a characteristic of life, but how you experience it is subjective. Obviously if we were somewhere else in the universe we would have different time. I also believe time has no beginning or end. It just is. Where there is space, there is time, they can not go on without being hand in hand.

Time is just another dimension. For all the experiences we have, we can never experience a different dimension, say a 2D world. Which also makes me think it is impossible for anything in a 3D space to ever transcend time. Time is just a completely different dimension, and to be able to transcend it would mean to be in control of pretty much everything.

I also think there is a past present and future. Going from point A to point B means you have traveled time.


And this final thought is just from my own experiences. I think it is possible for every human to see into the future, and I think we do it on a subconscious level. Ever notice when your thinking of someone and the next instance that person walks through the door or calls you on your phone. It has already been proven that the brain does in fact work a few seconds into the future. That would explain Deja Vu, almost like your brain hiccuping.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7730496 - 12/07/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Everything is happening instantly. Everything that has ever happened or will happen is actually happening all the time, in one single moment. Time is just the human mind's way of comprehending all of these simultaneous events, by putting them in a linear order.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: crackawebsta]
    #7730530 - 12/07/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you're into 'new-age' concepts, read The Seth Materialby Jane Roberts. The concepts of time covered in those series of books, explain it in such a way that modern quantum mechanics agrees upon.


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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Grylls]
    #7730559 - 12/07/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time and space are "root assumptions" of this plane of existence; i.e., they are essentially illusory, and both the past and future coexist with the present in what Seth referred to as the "spacious present". Therefore, a person's incarnations in different time periods are actually lived simultaneously, as opposed to consecutively. Communication among the various past, present and future selves occurs during the dream state. Time appears to exist in a linear form because of limitations inherent in the physical human brain. Development, expansion, growth and change do not require time in order to occur.

--Taken from Wikipedia, on the tenet of time by the Seth Material.


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