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landlord75
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Re: Time- Fake? *DELETED* [Re: mikeytro]
#7726097 - 12/06/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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cagerplaya247
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mikeytro said: I feel similar to you on this issue its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once. Time is just a measurement for humans however this is just my thoughts and no real theory behind it the only conflict I have with this idea is that I must then believe in fate, which I'm not 100% ok with. I like to believe that I have free will
"its not that everything has already happened, its that its all happening everywhere all at once." - Then where are the dinosaurs?
I dont think you understand, it is hard to explain but it is kind of like there is millions of universes.
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
#7726121 - 12/06/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Helpme1
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Querjek]
#7726130 - 12/06/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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want me to blow your mind?
The more gravity their is....the slower time goes
The less....the faster time goes.
When you live in space (if you lived in space) you would age faster than you would living on earth.
Conversely....the MOST gravity that can be applied to someone (IE: whilst being sucked into a black hole) one could never experience the motion of time becuase at that point...there is no time.
From an outside point of view...the person in the ship (and the ship itself) would never reach the black hole. However if you yourself decided to investegate you would find that the ship (and yourself) were frozen in time. (but regardless it would kill you, becuase in all actuallity you WERE sucked up into the black hole, you technically would just never realize it or know it, in the sense of the motion of time...you most certainly would be dead however)
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cagerplaya247
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
#7726137 - 12/06/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Helpme1 said: want me to blow your mind?
The more gravity their is....the slower time goes
The less....the faster time goes.
When you live in space (if you lived in space) you would age faster than you would living on earth.
Conversely....the MOST gravity that can be applied to someone (IE: whilst being sucked into a black hole) one could never experience the motion of time becuase at that point...there is no time.
From an outside point of view...the person in the ship (and the ship itself) would never reach the black hole. However if you yourself decided to investegate you would find that the ship (and yourself) were frozen in time. (but regardless it would kill you, becuase in all actuallity you WERE sucked up into the black hole, you technically would just never realize it or know it, in the sense of the motion of time...you most certainly would be dead however)
So if earth was sucked into a black hole we would never know it would just be normal still. This is where i conclude that everything happens at the same time.
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milkman
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
#7726138 - 12/06/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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where did you read the gravity governs time?
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Compass
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I don't believe we will ever truly understand ourselves. Maybe the fragmentation of the greater self and the existence of time outside the infinite provide us sanity and distract us from the greater truth, which is just as painful as it is pleasant. But infinitely painful and infinitely pleasant.
Everything is millions of paradoxes that must exist. Just by understanding, your limiting yourself in feeling the simple complexities. The mystery is what captivates life.
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cagerplaya247
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
#7726145 - 12/06/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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milkman said: where did you read the gravity governs time?
Light governs gravity. That is one of Einstein's theories.
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landlord75
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Re: Time- Fake? *DELETED* [Re: fishfear07]
#7726147 - 12/06/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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cagerplaya247
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OK, i am going to log out but i definitely want to continue this thread tomorrow. Peace Out!
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Coaster
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
#7726170 - 12/06/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A body when left to itself travels so that the time, measured by its clocks, is the longest. If it had travelled by any other route from one event to another, the time would be shorter. This is saying that bodies left to themselves make their journeys as slowly as they can. Russell refers to this as a law of cosmic laziness. Mathematically, they travel in geodesics, in which the total interval between any two events on the journey is GREATER than by any other alternative route. (The fact that it is greater and not less is because the sort of interval we are considering is more analogous to time than to distance.) So, if someone flies off into space and comes back to earth after a while, the time between departure and return would be less by their clocks than by the clocks on earth, since the earth, during its journey around the sun, chooses the route so that any bit of it is measured longer than any other alternative route.
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
#7726188 - 12/06/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i understand the light governs gravity but why would gravity govern time
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Coaster
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
#7726195 - 12/06/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i govern ur mom
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
#7726227 - 12/06/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The easiest way to manipulate time uses memory and perception.
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Helpme1
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
#7726232 - 12/06/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regarding the time being relative arguement
I don't think there is any discrepency of thought regarding time being relative, ofcourse it is relative.
Think about THIS: The time that we experience is VASTLY different than the time you would experience on say...another planet, even in our very own solar system (this has nothing to do with how we measure time, obviously it takes a lot more earth days for pluto to travel its orbit around the sun) But living on pluto (if possible ofcourse) you would percieve time differently.....
Just to give you an idea of how relative....ANYTHING can be...i mean we get so caught up in living on earth we don't realize that there is so much other...different (MUCH DIFFERENT) shit out there.
There are cloud formations on saturn that make hexagons, its been proven, we have actual photographic evidence. This disproves newtonian theory!
The point i'm trying to make is that time on earth is merely how we as humans on planet EARTH percieve time, imagine living in a different solar system, fuck even a different galaxy...It could be so completely different and alien than how we live life. Read the book slaughterhouse five, it will help your understanding of time... (regardless of how metaphorical or symbolic his intentions may have been, its still a good read)
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Helpme1
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Helpme1]
#7726251 - 12/06/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It doesn't have quite the same power when a student of science regurgitates something one of his professors has said, but if you are a science nut, go crazy
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read this: http://www.mth.uct.ac.za/omei/gr/chap5/node8.html
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the question is if man can comprehend the truth at all.
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: Coaster]
#7726275 - 12/06/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coaster said: i govern ur mom
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Compass
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Re: Time- Fake? [Re: milkman]
#7726294 - 12/06/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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milkman said:
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Coaster said: i govern ur mom
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no mom mom, dada di
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