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Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action)
    #7725562 - 12/06/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

State Lawmakers Propose Bill Banning Salvia Plant
December 5, 2007 - channel3000.com

State lawmakers are debating a bill that would add Wisconsin to a handful of states regulating a hallucinogenic Mexican herb.

State Reps. Sheldon Wasserman and David Cullen authored the bill that would prohibit the sale of Salvia divinorum. The Assembly Criminal Justice Committee held a public hearing on the measure Wednesday.

Salvia divinorum can cause hallucinations within seconds after it's smoked, licked or chewed. The long-term effects are unknown, but Wasserman said he feels the herb is dangerous.

"They should not be operating a vehicle at all because they're having visual changes, auditory changes. It's a serious drug, and during that point of intoxication, I wouldn't want to be on the road with them," Wasserman said.

The bill would crack down on those who produce and sell Salvia by imposing a fine not to exceed $10,000 for manufacturing, distributing or delivering the active ingredient in the plant, WISC-TV reported.

"We need to do something about the ready access teenagers have to it over the Internet and in stores across the state. We cannot allow young people to be deceived into thinking the drug is risk free because it is legal," Wasserman said.

Federal drug laws don't address the herb, although the Drug Enforcement Administration is researching whether it belongs on its controlled substance list.

At least eight other states have passed statutes regulating the herb.



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When Rep. Joe Baca (D-CA) proposed the California law to ban salvia a couple years back, I heard about it and immediately called his office to tell them to cut it out. The secretary asked for my phone number and said that someone would call me back, which is not at all what I expected. An hour later I got a call from a legislative assistant who was _very_ well informed about drugs, but was on the other side. Turns out that this is the guy who wrote the law. I spoke with him for about two hours and it was a really good conversation. We discussed many aspects of the proposed law, how much harm it would cause, how much good it would do, etc. I reminded him how no one had head of MDMA in 1984, and shortly after it was outlawed its use exploded. I don't know if I had any direct effect, but it felt really good to be able to speak with the man directly and make an attempt to reason with him.

He told me that he intended to introduce it the next year, but he never did.

Gathering information about how Salvia can help addicts is one positive thing that can be done. If it can be shown to have helpful effects and little potential for abuse, it would have a hard time getting passed.


I just spoke with wisconsin senator sheldon wasserman's office a minute ago. They said that the bill has not yet made it out of committee, they are considering it this week.

Wisconsin residents, now is the time for action!

Call sheldon wasserman's office and also david cullen's office and ask them not to make the salvia bill into law.

Since these two yahoos wrote the bill, they are the best people to call. The next best people are the other members of the committee which is currently considering this legislation. I don't know what committee it is or who sits on the committee, I'll let a wisconsin resident take over from here.



Another thing that can be done is to alert the marijuana legalization community - many of them have an affinity for plants in general and could be convinced to call the senators.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7728070 - 12/07/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

operating a vehicle while on salvia? if you can even turn the key while on salvia you deserve to be able to drive imo. that and the fact that it wears of in like 10 minutes after you stop peaking and the whole experience is less than like 20 minutes from come up to baseline.

shroomerites of Wisconsin you need to write into papers explaining the safety of the drug. bring us statistics from your state about how many people are killed from alcohol related deaths and those that die from smoking tobacco.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7740139 - 12/10/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The full text of the proposed Wisconsin anti-salvia bill (AB477) is here:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2007/data/AB477hst.html

And a small amendment that changes the bill so it references Salvinorin A:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2007/data/AB477-AA1.pdf

And most importantly, here is a link to the page that gives the current status of the bill:

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2007/data/AB477hst.html

Currently, the most recent status is that they had a public hearing on 12/5. The bill is still being considered by the committee on criminal justice.

The time to kill this bill is NOW, before it reaches the full house floor. Currently the only people that need to be convinced to kill the bill are the members of the committee on criminal justice. If it leaves the committee, we will have to work on the entire legislature.


Here is a thread at entheogen.com about this bill:
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=145445


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7742877 - 12/10/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

quickly citizens of Wisconsin! time is not on your side, don't be a lazy stoner, email your representatives and write the newspapers.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7743671 - 12/11/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, what he said. Today is a great day to write the newspapers.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7767125 - 12/16/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

last updated: December 16, 2007
http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/1525



Salvia bill demonizes harmless hallucinogen
By: Matt Jividen /The Daily Cardinal - December 12, 2007
Salvia bill demonizes harmless hallucinogen

There is a danger growing around Madison. And no, it isn’t the sexual assaults, kidnappings, bank robberies, murders or violence. According to state lawmakers (and probably Lou Dobbs), it is imports from Mexico that may be here illegally to destroy American culture and American youth.

I’m talking, of course about Salvia Divinorum—a non habit-forming herb that has historically been used in the Mazatec region of the Sierra Madre Mountains in Oaxaca, Mexico as part of ritualistic healing and prophecy rituals. Since the early 1990s, it has increased in popularity in the United States (although, to call it popular is somewhat misleading.) State Representatives Sheldon Wasserman and David Cullen authored a bill that would prohibit the sale and manufacturing of Salvia Divinorum. The Assembly Criminal Justice Committee held a public hearing on the measure last Wednesday.

Currently, there is no Federal regulation on the herb. According to Bertha Madras, deputy director of demand reduction for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, “Salvia Divinorum is so far down the list, it’s a tiny fraction of 1 percent.” Although Wasserman doesn’t seem to understand much about the herb, he feels it is dangerous. He says, “[Salvia] affects the way we think, the way we act. It impairs our judgment.” I will not dispute these facts, but I emphatically disagree that this is any reason for the government to mandate what citizens can and cannot consume.

While people might not be willing to get on board to defend the marginal Salvia herb, this struggle is symbolic of something far greater. The astute reader will no doubt remember that these same arguments were put forth nearly a century ago to prohibit Americans from imbibing Alcohol. However, the short-lived prohibition was left by the wayside because Americans believe it to be their constitutional right not only to enjoy delicious alcoholic libations, but also to choose what they would consume without governmental interference—on one condition: that it doesn’t present a clear danger to others. This sentiment is reflected in the imposed strict drunken-driving laws. In effect, this stance punishes the people who have proven incapable of moderate usage instead of punishing the majority who are capable of responsible and moderate use. But is that enough?

Does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that Wasserman would be so concerned with an herb that only a handful of people in Wisconsin use while a much more damaging drug actually effects Wisconsin on a grand scale? Right now, Wisconsin ranks No. 1 in the nation for adult binge drinking, and the percentage of high school students who drink is also well above the national average. Furthermore, MADD has ranked Wisconsin as the worst state in the nation as far as DUI deaths are concerned. By Wasserman’s logic as presented in this bill, alcohol should also be illegal in Wisconsin. But, don’t worry. I doubt they will ever prohibit booze… again. After all, “what made Milwaukee famous” sounds a lot better than “what made Milwaukee infamous.”

Just like prohibition in the 1920s, I doubt this legislation would stop the small contingent of Wisconsinites who enjoy Salvia responsibly. First of all, can police officers distinguish the plant from hundreds of different species in the genus Salvia? The plants are not typically grown in the same fashion as the easily recognized marijuana—Salvia grows well as a houseplant without expensive high intensity lights. This is just one of several logistical problems. The legislation is problematic on the grander scale as well. Making a drug illegal does not generally curb usage (especially if said drug is readily available in many adjacent states). With similar legislation, marijuana use has steadily increased since 1937—along with driving an estimated $6.2 billion industry underground in the United States.

This legislation will also hurt a handful of businesses in Madison and across the state, which begs the bigger question—who does this bill really help? I’m not equipped to answer that question, but perhaps this is just a manifestation of a government that has become half mother and half pusher-man.

It demonizes certain substances by making them illegal while condoning others. Most lawmakers turn a blind eye to state condoned drug dealing—alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs. And, if I didn’t know they were honorable men, I might assume it has something to do with the massive alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical lobbies in the United States.

Matt Jividen is a senior majoring in history. Please send responses to opinion@dailycardinal.com.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7808094 - 12/28/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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operating a vehicle while on salvia? if you can even turn the key while on salvia you deserve to be able to drive imo.





Haha True that dude..If you've ever smoked anything higher then 20x then you will know what we're talking about haha..

But I am not suprised they did this considering it is a pretty strong hallucinogenic (even if it is very brief)

For those few moments you have no fucking idea wtf is going on. Completely confused.

However it should (like marijuana and such other drugs) be regulated the way alcohol is and it would be fine.

Like, your 18? Okay goto the porn store and buy it.

Works for me and I don't see anyone dieing doin this shit, unless yes you did it while driving.

Point is, this is just some ignorant asshole who wants to be a penis and ruin your freedom to expand your own mind.

My advice is to kill him....

-Brain

P.S. Anyone currently reside in WI? It'd be nice to see some people representin


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #7840869 - 01/06/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

does anyone know the update on this is it illegal or not?


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: flushme]
    #7841739 - 01/06/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Still legal.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Brain Fart]
    #7841864 - 01/06/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

ok thanks do you have a link to the current law i couldent find it

thanks buddy


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: flushme]
    #7847874 - 01/08/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

Um, not sure where that is but I can stil lbuy it at the porn shop 5 minutes from my house so it's definately still legal.

Pm Alan as I'm sure he will have the link.


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    #7976077 - 02/04/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7977367 - 02/04/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So I looked at the link showing the current status of the bill, and on 1-30, what the hell does "executive action taken" mean? Has it gone to Doyle? Is it still legal and if so what are the predictions for how long it will remain so?


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: SoY]
    #7978113 - 02/04/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I know Super Video right by work still sells it so it's definitely not illegal.

I'm not surprised this bill is up though, as they are ridiculously irresponsible about selling the stuff...


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7979994 - 02/04/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was in a shop the other day looking at some, and the woman selling it said something to the effect of, "We have all the way up to something like 100x here. That'd really fuck ya up!"

Real inconspicuous and bright, these folks.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #7980261 - 02/04/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.

I've been in there buying papers and whatnot when the guy has been telling people "its just like pot" or "roll it up in a joint and smoke it"

Just really dumb. It was only a matter of time before someone did something stupid.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7982363 - 02/05/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I bought it at Knucklehead's on state street, and the guy would not sell us anything above 10x for first time users.  He rationalized this by comparing it to jumping in the deep end before you know how to swim.  Also, he ID'd us to make sure we were over 18.  He told us how to use it and warned of the power.  Pretty professional IMO.

I have since been buying it on the internet for MUCH cheaper than available locally.  I just bought 50 grams of 20x in case it is banned sooner rather than later. :crazy2:


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: SoY]
    #7982460 - 02/05/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I :heart: knuckleheads.

I bought my first piece ever there quite a few years ago.


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7982911 - 02/05/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My first piece was at Sunshine and Daydreams. And although they don't sell glass, Shakti is another store I love to get lost in!


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Re: Wisconsin proposes a ban on salvia (WI residents - time for action) [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7984713 - 02/05/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I've been in there buying papers and whatnot when the guy has been telling people "its just like pot" or "roll it up in a joint and smoke it"




lol

They're going to be pissed...


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