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F1234K
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My dream pill
#7725145 - 12/06/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I am thinking of trying to get my friend who is a chemist to create a pill that is 1 part mdma 1 part lsd 1 part 2ct7 and 1 part psilocybin...what you think?
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7725158 - 12/06/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Couldn't you just take all those separately? Why bother putting it in pill form unless you plan on marketing it?
Edit: Not to mention that being a chemist is hardly a prerequisite for pressing pills.
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Edited by Ness1 (12/06/07 04:07 PM)
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7725163 - 12/06/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hate to play devils advocate but...
1.) It would be a horse pill
2.) The lsd and psilocybin, mixed will scar the structure of both drugs making for a confusing experience....basically what im trying to say is a mixture with all those drugs wouldn't be fun, it would just make for a very confusing psychedelic experience with no closure.
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Not saying I wouldn't try this super pill however
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7725168 - 12/06/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read somewhere at some point that a popular pill in Britain was a mix of mdma, ketamine and coke I feel like there was also a psychedelic mixed in there but I may be wrong I'd give it a try even though I'm not to hot on the coke
as for yours - how large of a dose for each drug would there be? sounds like it could be too much or an amazing time is the chemist actually going to create the synthetic drugs or just throw drugs he already has in one pill? if he claims that hes going to make them, I would be doubtful
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7725171 - 12/06/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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They all have different come up times, so you'd want to dose separately. Seems pretty pointless to me, but if you really want to make this thing, then do it.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725175 - 12/06/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cocaine is almost completely inactive orally, theres no way there would be enough in a pill to produce effects.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725181 - 12/06/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah. It was just a thought.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725183 - 12/06/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I strongly disagree cocaine is not completly inactive orally think about it the doses of cocaine and meth are roughly the same. and meth is mixed in E all the time
that and when I used to do coke somewhat regularly back in the day, I would do large numbys and feel high off of it it just takes longer to kick in because it is absorbed through your mouth + stomach instead of nose
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725188 - 12/06/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Being absorbed by the gums and sub lingually is different than it being absorbed strictly by the stomach. In pill form the cocaine would be absorbed completely by the stomach. Theres no way theres going to be enough coke in a pill to feel it and theres no way making a pill with enough in it to feel it would be profitable.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725195 - 12/06/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Orally administered cocaine takes approximately 30 minutes to enter the bloodstream. Typically, only a third of an oral dose is absorbed, although absorption has been shown to reach 60% in controlled settings. Given the slow rate of absorption, maximum physiological and psychotropic effects are attained approximately 60 minutes after cocaine is administered by ingestion. While the onset of these effects is slow, the effects are sustained for approximately 60 minutes after their peak is attained. Contrary to popular belief, both ingestion and insufflation result in approximately the same proportion of the drug being absorbed: 30 to 60%. Compared to ingestion, the faster absorption of insufflated cocaine results in quicker attainment of maximum drug effects. Snorting cocaine produces maximum physiological effects within 40 minutes and maximum psychotropic effects within 20 minutes, however, a more realistic activation period is closer to 5 to 10 minutes, which is similar to ingestion of cocaine. Physiological and psychotropic effects from nasally insufflated cocaine are sustained for approximately 40 - 60 minutes after the peak effects are attained.[5].

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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725199 - 12/06/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting, I had always thought something very interesting to explore would jsut be a chemical psilocybin/Mdma mixture, I'm not sure how prevalent pure isolated psilocybin is in these days but I know that Hofman synthesized it and it was once prevalent. I'm not sure what the active dose of that would be does anyone know? Would pressing this mixture be possible? Always curious about that. of course it would be stamped with a mushroom heh
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725201 - 12/06/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And once again, theres no way any sane person would make a pill with enough cocaine in it to get you high. It simply wouldn't be profitable. Maybe you're right and the person pressing the pills was just a moron?
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725206 - 12/06/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude what are you talking about you only need like .2 grams of cocaine to get high and the pill was a combination of drugs, your obviously going to feel the coke thats in it
so you're telling me that E pills cut with meth dont give you a speedy high because there cant possibly be enough in it to get you high??
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725212 - 12/06/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You want final proof that there isn't any coke in good E pills? Go take a good, clean pill with just MDMA or MDMA powder. Wait until you're rolling good and hard. Blow a line of coke. I guarantee you it will kill your roll DEAD.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725217 - 12/06/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: And once again, theres no way any sane person would make a pill with enough cocaine in it to get you high. It simply wouldn't be profitable.
did you even read what I quoted?? same amount of the drug is absorbed from ingestion versus snorting the high is just longer and not as intense
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725226 - 12/06/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even with equal bioavailability, MOA makes a huge difference. It's going to take longer to get absorbed orally, thus requiring a significantly higher dose to attain the same level.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725228 - 12/06/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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that doesn't really prove anything because I dont do coke anymore and E isn't my choice drug
who ever said it was a good E pill???? it was a popular pill that was a combination of drugs they wernt selling it as E
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725232 - 12/06/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: Even with equal bioavailability, MOA makes a huge difference. It's going to take longer to get absorbed orally, thus requiring a significantly higher dose to attain the same level.
yes it would take more via ingestion to achieve the same level high your original argument was: "theres no way theres going to be enough coke in a pill to feel it" WHICH IS WRONG lets end this pleasse
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7725233 - 12/06/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He'd better be a good friend or maybe have some of this stuff already on hand. I'd imagine it would be a pain in the ass to get all of the precursors and chems together and synthesize each of those seperate substances just so you could create a wonder pill.
It'd be a horse pill too as it's already been said.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725240 - 12/06/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The pill would not be popular. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be. Where did you hear about it? I can't see that pill being popular in any universe. If that pill actually existed, the coke would kill the MDMA, leaving you with a shitty ketamine buzz. Doesn't sound like much fun at all.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725242 - 12/06/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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mikeytro said: so you're telling me that E pills cut with meth dont give you a speedy high because there cant possibly be enough in it to get you high??
They can, it's just a real cheap and shitty high.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725246 - 12/06/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: The pill would not be popular. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be. Where did you hear about it? I can't see that pill being popular in any universe. If that pill actually existed, the coke would kill the MDMA, leaving you with a shitty ketamine buzz. Doesn't sound like much fun at all.
What are you even talking about cocaine and MDMA are both stimulants, why in the world would it 'kill the high'.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725249 - 12/06/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah, that's another thing. You're basically saying coke = meth which makes no sense. They're completely different chemicals. Speedy pills are cut with meth, NOT coke. I'm adamant about this because one of the myths I hear all the time is that E pills are heroin and cocaine in one pill which is utterly wrong. Myths are horrible things and the media does nothing to quell them, they just spread them.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725251 - 12/06/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Omni said:
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mikeytro said: so you're telling me that E pills cut with meth dont give you a speedy high because there cant possibly be enough in it to get you high??
They can, it's just a real cheap and shitty high.
I was being sarcastic yo 
Ness1 - like I stated I dont remember where I read it or when. I'm not making it up though unless I'm completely delusional. I will try and find the article as for it not being fun thats your opinion
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725255 - 12/06/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Omni said:
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Ness1 said: The pill would not be popular. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be. Where did you hear about it? I can't see that pill being popular in any universe. If that pill actually existed, the coke would kill the MDMA, leaving you with a shitty ketamine buzz. Doesn't sound like much fun at all.
What are you even talking about cocaine and MDMA are both stimulants, why in the world would it 'kill the high'.
Give me some time to find it again. Cocaine pretty much cancels out MDMA, lemme look up why again.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725263 - 12/06/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: Oh yeah, that's another thing. You're basically saying coke = meth which makes no sense. They're completely different chemicals. Speedy pills are cut with meth, NOT coke. I'm adamant about this because one of the myths I hear all the time is that E pills are heroin and cocaine in one pill which is utterly wrong. Myths are horrible things and the media does nothing to quell them, they just spread them.
I was only comparing them because the size of a dose is roughly the same. thats it.
I never said E pills are cut with coke
e pills are heroin and cocaine?? what the fuck is that. (no offense towards you, just who ever thought that is in their own universe)
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725265 - 12/06/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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E pills have been cut with everything under the sun. That's no myth.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725267 - 12/06/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: The pill would not be popular. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be. Where did you hear about it? I can't see that pill being popular in any universe. If that pill actually existed, the coke would kill the MDMA, leaving you with a shitty ketamine buzz. Doesn't sound like much fun at all.
What are you even talking about cocaine and MDMA are both stimulants, why in the world would it 'kill the high'.
Give me some time to find it again. Cocaine pretty much cancels out MDMA, lemme look up why again.
I dont believe mdma is a stimulant, however thats just my hunch however your theory that coke cancels out the mdma high is very doubtful in my opinion they are the two main club drugs and I know many people who use both in the same night
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725270 - 12/06/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Omni said: E pills have been cut with everything under the sun. That's no myth.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7725272 - 12/06/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness1 said: Give me some time to find it again. Cocaine pretty much cancels out MDMA, lemme look up why again.
By all means, please do
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725276 - 12/06/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can find that info I'll eat my own shoe
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7725286 - 12/06/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok so I couldnt find the exact article I read but heres a similar one: http://www.timeout.com/london/clubs/features/2830.html
I was a little off because I'm not sure if its all of them mixed into one or just a drug that takes on the effects of all of them
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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
#7725297 - 12/06/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cocaine + MDMA experiences Look at 6th trip report down, good god 
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7728318 - 12/07/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, well, looking back on that I guess I was kind of being a douchebag a bit. Sorry 'bout that. Whenever I hear something I perceive as misinformation about drugs, I just get a little bit crazy >_<. As it turns out, cocaine and MDMA are not compatible just like I said. Basically, cocaine has an equal or higher affinity to the mechanisms in your brain that MDMA binds to, so cocaine will interfere with MDMA's release of serotonin.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
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Re: My dream pill [Re: donvliet]
#7728571 - 12/07/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Something's up. Because people take 2C-B,2C-E,etc. with MDMA all the time. The dosage of the 2C-T-7 was said to be unknown, he must have taken a lot. Common dose for 2C-T-7 is 15-30 mg, in comparison to the 200mg MDMA he took that's not that much. Perhaps he had a lot of 2C-T-7 and thought he could take more than he actually could or didn't do his research.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729066 - 12/07/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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there were more 2C-T-7 deaths: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ct7/2ct7_death1.shtml
2C-T-7 is an MAOI and so it's dangerous to combine with MDMA (and a lot of other stuff) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-T-7#Pharmacology
2C-B and 2C-E aren't MAOIs so they don't have the same risk. The 2C-T-x group on the other hand are MAOIs.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: donvliet]
#7729317 - 12/07/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My mistake, it is an MAOI isn't it  That explains it I guess.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729328 - 12/07/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My bad
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729338 - 12/07/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was making fun of don, 2ct7 is not an maoi
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Hmm well the wiki article claims it is. I honestly had no clue until now, if it is true. I didn't know any of the 2C-x's acted as MAOI's
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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
#7729365 - 12/07/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am getting flashes of "Formula 51".
I loved that movie. Its a perfect satire of the whole genre.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729374 - 12/07/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i think thats misinformation, I have yet to read that anywhere else
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you know, that's why I thought it was fishy at first. I've read about the 2C family many places as well and read PiHKAL many times over (chem section), and had never seen that mentioned anywhere.
In addition, why would 2C-B and 2C-E not be MAOI's and the 2C-T-x's? Also, no phenethylamines are MAOI's anyway...
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729426 - 12/07/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah wiki has its flaws
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Indeed. So then why'd the guy die if it's not an MAOI? Maybe what I said in the beginning, overdose. The dose was unknown it said.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729609 - 12/07/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah not much is known about 2c-t-7 so its hard to say.Although there have been many reports of 2c-t-7 and mdma causes bad effects along with other stimulants so im not sure if its overdose.
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Robo
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Interesting that not much is known about it, it's schedule I
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Robo]
#7729815 - 12/07/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats because it fell under the analogue act, they didn't need a reason to research it.
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damn you wikipedia ! it strikes again. It has both 2C-B and 2C-T-7 listed under schedule I but upon visiting the DEA website only 2C-B was listed.
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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
#7730412 - 12/07/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My dream pill would probably be 4-5 mgs psilocybin, and 110 ugs of lsd pressed with plenty of nice hash. Perhapse only 2 or 3 mgs of 2c-i would be a nice additive to this pill.
You would be able to easily break these pills in half, and take as many as you want obviously.
I wouldnt want coke in those pills, because I would feel that hardcore, and dont want coke in my "dream pill".
This would be my dream pill. Some people might not understand the small amounts of hash, or the light dose of 2c-i. I dont even really like to mix psychedelics, but this would be my elaborate "dream pill" if I had one.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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