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My dream pill
    #7725145 - 12/06/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So I am thinking of trying to get my friend who is a chemist to create a pill that is 1 part mdma 1 part lsd 1 part 2ct7 and 1 part psilocybin...what you think?


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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
    #7725158 - 12/06/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Couldn't you just take all those separately? Why bother putting it in pill form unless you plan on marketing it?

Edit: Not to mention that being a chemist is hardly a prerequisite for pressing pills.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
    #7725163 - 12/06/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I hate to play devils advocate but...

1.) It would be a horse pill

2.) The lsd and psilocybin, mixed will scar the structure of both drugs making for a confusing experience....basically what im trying to say is a mixture with all those drugs wouldn't be fun, it would just make for a very confusing psychedelic experience with no closure.

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Not saying I wouldn't try this super pill however


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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
    #7725168 - 12/06/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I read somewhere at some point that a popular pill in Britain was a mix of mdma, ketamine and coke
I feel like there was also a psychedelic mixed in there but I may be wrong
I'd give it a try even though I'm not to hot on the coke

as for yours - how large of a dose for each drug would there be? sounds like it could be too much or an amazing time
is the chemist actually going to create the synthetic drugs or just throw drugs he already has in one pill?
if he claims that hes going to make them, I would be doubtful


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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
    #7725171 - 12/06/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They all have different come up times, so you'd want to dose separately. Seems pretty pointless to me, but if you really want to make this thing, then do it.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725175 - 12/06/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Cocaine is almost completely inactive orally, theres no way there would be enough in a pill to produce effects.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725181 - 12/06/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah. It was just a thought.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725183 - 12/06/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I strongly disagree
cocaine is not completly inactive orally
think about it the doses of cocaine and meth are roughly the same. and meth is mixed in E all the time

that and when I used to do coke somewhat regularly back in the day, I would do large numbys and feel high off of it
it just takes longer to kick in because it is absorbed through your mouth + stomach instead of nose


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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725188 - 12/06/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Being absorbed by the gums and sub lingually is different than it being absorbed strictly by the stomach. In pill form the cocaine would be absorbed completely by the stomach. Theres no way theres going to be enough coke in a pill to feel it and theres no way making a pill with enough in it to feel it would be profitable.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725195 - 12/06/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Orally administered cocaine takes approximately 30 minutes to enter the bloodstream. Typically, only a third of an oral dose is absorbed, although absorption has been shown to reach 60% in controlled settings. Given the slow rate of absorption, maximum physiological and psychotropic effects are attained approximately 60 minutes after cocaine is administered by ingestion. While the onset of these effects is slow, the effects are sustained for approximately 60 minutes after their peak is attained.
Contrary to popular belief, both ingestion and insufflation result in approximately the same proportion of the drug being absorbed: 30 to 60%. Compared to ingestion, the faster absorption of insufflated cocaine results in quicker attainment of maximum drug effects. Snorting cocaine produces maximum physiological effects within 40 minutes and maximum psychotropic effects within 20 minutes, however, a more realistic activation period is closer to 5 to 10 minutes, which is similar to ingestion of cocaine. Physiological and psychotropic effects from nasally insufflated cocaine are sustained for approximately 40 - 60 minutes after the peak effects are attained.[5].





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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725199 - 12/06/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting, I had always thought something very interesting to explore would jsut be a chemical psilocybin/Mdma mixture, I'm not sure how prevalent pure isolated psilocybin is in these days but I know that Hofman synthesized it and it was once prevalent. I'm not sure what the active dose of that would be does anyone know? Would pressing this mixture be possible? Always curious about that. of course it would be stamped with a mushroom heh


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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725201 - 12/06/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And once again, theres no way any sane person would make a pill with enough cocaine in it to get you high. It simply wouldn't be profitable. :shrug: Maybe you're right and the person pressing the pills was just a moron?


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725206 - 12/06/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dude what are you talking about
you only need like .2 grams of cocaine to get high
and the pill was a combination of drugs, your obviously going to feel the coke thats in it

so you're telling me that E pills cut with meth dont give you a speedy high because there cant possibly be enough in it to get you high??



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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725212 - 12/06/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You want final proof that there isn't any coke in good E pills? Go take a good, clean pill with just MDMA or MDMA powder. Wait until you're rolling good and hard. Blow a line of coke. I guarantee you it will kill your roll DEAD.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725217 - 12/06/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ness1 said:
And once again, theres no way any sane person would make a pill with enough cocaine in it to get you high. It simply wouldn't be profitable.




did you even read what I quoted??
same amount of the drug is absorbed from ingestion versus snorting
the high is just longer and not as intense


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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725226 - 12/06/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Even with equal bioavailability, MOA makes a huge difference. It's going to take longer to get absorbed orally, thus requiring a significantly higher dose to attain the same level.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725228 - 12/06/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that doesn't really prove anything because I dont do coke anymore and E isn't my choice drug

who ever said it was a good E pill???? it was a popular pill that was a combination of drugs
they wernt selling it as E


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Re: My dream pill [Re: Ness1]
    #7725232 - 12/06/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Even with equal bioavailability, MOA makes a huge difference. It's going to take longer to get absorbed orally, thus requiring a significantly higher dose to attain the same level.




yes it would take more via ingestion to achieve the same level high
your original argument was: "theres no way theres going to be enough coke in a pill to feel it"
WHICH IS WRONG
lets end this pleasse


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Re: My dream pill [Re: F1234K]
    #7725233 - 12/06/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He'd better be a good friend or maybe have some of this stuff already on hand. I'd imagine it would be a pain in the ass to get all of the precursors and chems together and synthesize each of those seperate substances just so you could create a wonder pill.

It'd be a horse pill too as it's already been said.


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Re: My dream pill [Re: mikeytro]
    #7725240 - 12/06/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The pill would not be popular. It wouldn't make any sense for it to be. Where did you hear about it? I can't see that pill being popular in any universe. If that pill actually existed, the coke would kill the MDMA, leaving you with a shitty ketamine buzz. Doesn't sound like much fun at all.


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