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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Green_T]
    #9998124 - 03/18/09 10:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

huh. Long story... and like I say, I made alotta mistakes!...
I'd love to discuss this; but I kinda hijacked this thread! maybe I'll start a thread about it and I'll share more about my story with you (Ya'll) Cool? :werd:


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10002711 - 03/19/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, I carry a tape recorder in my car, not on my person though. 



Anyways, it sounds like you plead out, and likely without reserving the right to appeal, so it sounds like it doesn't matter if what they did was legal or not since you accepted it.


But it seems like your entire evidence is what you didn't see.  That's not going to help you.  If the judge backdated the warrant that sucks, but unless you can prove it you are screwed.



And I doubt that really happened, but whatever. (the judge backdating the warrant).  If it did you guys need to get a better clerk up there and make those things be filed by an independant party.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: johnm214] * 1
    #10003715 - 03/19/09 07:40 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, who knows WTF happened? All I know is, when I asked to see it, they kicked my ass and when I was screaming bloody murder trying to get a witness, they suppressed my ability to breathe, then threw me in the car...
Maybe they did have a warrant? But, I know for a fact that they didn't "Need one" in order to come bust in my house!

But the implications of my story are STAGGERING; (here's why) ...WHats gonna happen when police start coming to innocent peoples houses and taking them "Away"? And they're screaming "WTF! WHY AM I IN HANDCUFFS!? and the American people just let it happen...and essentially believe whatever the cops say?

Ask yourself, If you saw this going down; (me in the parking lot in hand cuffs surrounded by cops screaming HELP HELP! I'm INNOCENT!

... WHat would you do? WHo would you believe? me? or the cops? (who are telling you to mind your buisness and not to listen to me)...???

Its a REAL scary thought isn't it? B/C what my story proves is that; we are ALL at the mercy of the police...b/c if they come "take you" anit NOBODY gonna stop em!

And once I'm gone; I'm gone! I'm not gonna be able to get the word out what just happened to me...I just disa-fuckin-pear like david copperfield in dis bitch... How many of us could they "Take?" before the people realized what's going on? And even when we DO realize it, WTF could we DO about it? ...NOTHING! And that's my point!
Its US, (citizens) against THEM (the system) Ask questions. Demand Answers. 9-11 was an inside job...

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10455276 - 06/04/09 05:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes this is a reply to a 76 day old reply. So what? This is important, and at face value I happen to believe FellowGrower and what he claims happened to him. Sure, maybe there are some facts involved that he did not mention in his posts, but just look at what he tells us! Fact is I recently seen a video in which a driver ran over a cop- yes it could of been mechanical failure, but it appeared the driver tried to kill the cop. Next thing the police run the van off the road and the driver's body falls out the window as the van is rolling over. His body hit the ground with NO MOVEMENT. The driver was already badly hurt and had all of the signs of being in a coma- this was all caught on the dashboard of a police officer's video cam. The driver appeared motionless on the ground and could of likely been in a coma before the first cop got to him. Then the beatings started, despite the fact their lives were clearly not in jeopardy. Likely, this was about revenge in which those cops did not care about the law, as they felt free to behave anyway they wanted.

In what seemed to been an episode of The Simpsons about 6 cops start beating the motionless driver to death, well almost. The last I heard 6 cops were fired for the beating of a man that doctors claimed was likely already in a coma, yet the cops acted just like a GANG and was seeking revenge for the police officer the driver appeared to of swerved and ran over. Last I heard on FoxNews (of all places!) the driver was still in ICU and had not woke up yet.

In the above true story which was all captured from a video cam on a police officer's dashboard we can see how police often act. This was all aired on TV News. Sometimes they can act like God and Jury. Yes maybe that driver was a cop hater and was trying to kill the cop he ran over (broke a leg is appeared). but the fact remains that when the rest of the police force caught up with the driver and next forced him off the road, that his motionless body layed on the ground as 6 cops beat the hell out of him! This is not how police are supposed to act!! They had no way of knowing if the van had a sudden mechanical failure and they certainly did not wait and look at the driver's body before they started beating him. The man might of well been dead when they started beating him in revenge. It sickens me that in America we still have bad cops. But the fact is, we still have bad cops all over this great country. All we can do is hope and pray that the cop we have to talk too is a good cop working on the right side of the law. Police should respect our rights, not act like God.

FellowGrower's story shows how easily police can abuse their power. we have a lot of stories like his too. Every work day on the local interstate I see police speeding 20 - 40 mph over the speed limit in an attempt to zapp their radar guns at other speeders by sneaking up on their backsides. Why is it OK for the police to travel 20mph over the posted speed limit, and higher on the freeway to catch speeders yet the police don't get a ticket for speeding??! This is not right and the police should be held to some standards.

FellowGrower's story shows us all how unfair the law and enforcement of really is. We have came a long ways, but still have so far to go.

I am very sorry to of hijacked this thread. I find the OP's information very interesting and look forward to reading future writings of his/hers.

Peace.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: BanjoFunguHunter]
    #10455993 - 06/04/09 07:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

THANK YOU! for the love of GOD, I don't type this shit b/c I like arthritis! I'm trying to get the word out! I'm a Fellowgrower, and it happened to ME! So, if you grow, IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU! Its fuckin REAL out here man...The fucking implications of my story is what is so scary, b/c had I been COMPLETLEY INNOCENT, it wouldn't have mattered, no one, (not even my ROOMATE) questioned the cops authority to just handcuff me and tote me away like human garbage... When I was screaming for a WITNESS, they supressed my ability to breath!

Dude, spend 30 minutes of your life finding out whats going on...CLicK ThIs ShIt and WATCH! Then pass it on to your friends, WE HAVE TO GET THE WORD OUT! THIS IS IMPORTANT SHIT! (thank god for the internet!)


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10468981 - 06/08/09 12:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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It sickens me that in America we still have bad cops. But the fact is, we still have bad cops all over this great country. All we can do is hope and pray that the cop we have to talk too is a good cop working on the right side of the law.




This is a good point to highlight.  Most cops are dirty, sick mother fuckers.

Of the 6 cops that managed to apprehend the guy all 6 beat the living shit out of a guy in a coma without knowing any of the facts.

And for those 6 dirty, sick bastard cops there are certainly another 12 cops that did nothing to stop it and helped cover up for those cops.  That's an important lesson to learn about cops...  There are inhuman fucks that will beat a dead body if they get a chance and there are those cops that will cover up for them.  That's basically the only two kinds of cops there are in this country.

They are either flat out dirty cops or they cover for the dirty ones.  A good, honest cop is 1 in a 100.

So beware!  That is one of the hardest lessons to learn because learning it for yourself usually fucks your life up pretty good.


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Green_T]
    #10478631 - 06/09/09 06:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck the POLICE!


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Mykologist]
    #10480985 - 06/10/09 02:55 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Mykologist said:
Fuck the POLICE!




Lol, constructive!

Man, these stories are making me tweak!

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10481413 - 06/10/09 08:12 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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... WHat would you do? WHo would you believe? me? or the cops? (who are telling you to mind your buisness and not to listen to me)...???





I dont know about anyone else but if it was some one I knew, I would return to my apt just as the cops suggested.

Then I would get my camera and call a friend that is a lawyer. Most of the lawyers I know would hop in there car and hall ass to the location. Possible client and getting in on it early helps the case in more ways than can be imagined. I would then start recording the event on camera and wait for the lawyer to show up. Will the cops try to take the camera and arrest me, more than likely, yes. But with the lawyer on the way it will make for a great show and there is little they can do about someone recording the event.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: johnm214]
    #10772264 - 07/31/09 01:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, you might want to go back and look.  In the past 30 days there are 2 things that have changed.

One of those things is that, your attorney can't interfere with anything you might have said to the police.  If you spoke to them, you spoke to them, that's it.  A lawyer can't stop them from questioning you, anymore.

I'm trying to remember the other thing, because there were several changes from the Supreme Court in the last 30 days.

Another was that if the police were sloppy getting a search warrant they were excused from the "illegal search" and were allowed to use the evidence they found against you, in a court of law, and there was something else...

I'll tell you when I reread the newspaper article.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: Kestrelj]
    #10772639 - 07/31/09 04:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well, the court isn't in session right now, so I doubt it was in the last thirty days.


Are you sure the attorney thing is actually present law?  The Obama administration is trying to erode the protections that normally exclude statements made by an arrested person after he requests an attorney if the statements were in response to further questioning.  I wasn't aware that case was disposed of yet, but cite it if it has been.


As for the search warrant thing, I'm unsure of what your referring to.  If you can cite a case or some source mentioning it, that wold be helpful. 


Thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Green_T]
    #10779453 - 08/01/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

same thing happened to me in theory, except it wasnt my house, and the kid who owned the place got away by breaking a cops shoulder (throwing him down a staircase) haha muh fucker deserved it. so they charge me with 7 counts of attempting to purchase cocaine, since i wouldnt snitch on the owner who had 2 types of pills and some weed in his crib. aint that some shit? but hey,
fellowfarmer, in that story the one thing i really took notice to was that you didnt mention being read your rights. while they CAN get away with almost anything, if you were not read your rights, it can be found on the copcarcam, as well as your arrest, in which they clearly abused their power as law enforcers (very commonly done), and thus will most likely get your charges wiped clean (sorry about the court fees. -- thats america for you). haha
have a good one


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: lagreenlife]
    #10792870 - 08/03/09 03:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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if you were not read your rights, it can be found on the copcarcam, as well as your arrest, in which they clearly abused their power as law enforcers (very commonly done), and thus will most likely get your charges wiped clean




Funny that this is posted in this thread. Dumbasses are always saying stuff like this.

99.9999895% of the time it doesn't matter jack shit if they read you your rights or not. All getting your rights read to you matters is if they want to question you AFTER you're arrested. Otherwise it doesn't matter jack shit, and why would they arrest you if they didn't already have enough on you?

They can use anything you said before you were arrested and anything you say after you've been read your rights.

Suppose you don't get read your rights? Guess what? They just can't use what you said to them AFTER you were arrested. 99.99% of the time this doesn't mean jack shit to the case anyways. No dropped case, no charges dismissed, nothing of the sort.

Unless their whole case comes down to something you said after being arrested but before being read your rights then it doesn't help you one bit. That almost never happens.


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Green_T]
    #11400787 - 11/06/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt actually read OP's entire post but just incase you didnt add this. All cops lie at one point or another and sadly when its your word against a cops the courts usually side with the cop. for example getting reasonable cause to search your car they can just say they smelled marijuana smoke even if there is no smell. Or if they are at your door and for some reason suspect you for having drugs in the house but dont have enough evidence for reasonable cause they will make up an excuse like "i smelled marijuana smoke" etc....cops are people and people lie.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: johnm214]
    #11930105 - 01/30/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

When Marc Emery Direct seeds went down the DEA was unable to prosecute any American buyers for importing seeds. ZERO!

For 2 months, the DEA intercepted all outgoing mail from MED seeds and their known stealth addresses and photographed the receivers address (this evidence was in Emery's trial)

The DEA then sent a phony letter to the destination claiming they were Marc Emery Direct and they needed more money to 'process the order'. For some strange legal reason, it had to be $100 maybe to get a trafficking conviction. DEA clowns wanted you to entrap yourself by sending in a Western Union payment where you are on camera doing so with full ID. A blank money order, cash, or anonymous PP'D visa doesn't hold up in court and was thus rejected as a payment option.

Here's a copy of the DEA scam letter (notice the 'smoke for our leader' and other blatent propaganda no marijuana seed retailer would use). Basically, do the opposite of everything in this letter the DEA want you to do and you will never be caught. Also notice how they don't want you to use a PO box for importing possibly because they can't raid your box and find a grow.




Emery seeds only went down because he was giving huge money to NORML and other US marijuana legalization organizations. They don't care about anybody else, and specifically went after him after snooping and finding out where the funding was coming from.

Offical DEA statement:
"Today's DEA arrest of Marc Scott Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine, and the founder of a marijuana legalization group -- is a signficant blow not only to the marijuana trafficking trade in the U.S. and Canada, but also to the marijuana legalization movement.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery's illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canda. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on."

Edited by arghbilly (01/30/10 02:50 PM)

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11930507 - 01/30/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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arghbilly said:
When Marc Emery Direct seeds went down the DEA was unable to prosecute any American buyers for importing seeds. ZERO!

For 2 months, the DEA intercepted all outgoing mail from MED seeds and their known stealth addresses and photographed the receivers address (this evidence was in Emery's trial)

The DEA then sent a phony letter to the destination claiming they were Marc Emery Direct and they needed more money to 'process the order'. For some strange legal reason, it had to be $100 maybe to get a trafficking conviction. DEA clowns wanted you to entrap yourself by sending in a Western Union payment where you are on camera doing so with full ID. A blank money order, cash, or anonymous PP'D visa doesn't hold up in court and was thus rejected as a payment option.

Here's a copy of the DEA scam letter (notice the 'smoke for our leader' and other blatent propaganda no marijuana seed retailer would use). Basically, do the opposite of everything in this letter the DEA want you to do and you will never be caught. Also notice how they don't want you to use a PO box for importing possibly because they can't raid your box and find a grow.




Emery seeds only went down because he was giving huge money to NORML and other US marijuana legalization organizations. They don't care about anybody else, and specifically went after him after snooping and finding out where the funding was coming from.

Offical DEA statement:
"Today's DEA arrest of Marc Scott Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine, and the founder of a marijuana legalization group -- is a signficant blow not only to the marijuana trafficking trade in the U.S. and Canada, but also to the marijuana legalization movement.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery's illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canda. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on."



source?

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: all_for_war]
    #11931568 - 01/30/10 06:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)




source?




http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4483.html

DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11931593 - 01/30/10 06:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.



so what

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: all_for_war]
    #11931635 - 01/30/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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all_for_war said:
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arghbilly said:


DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.



so what




so maybe don't entrap yourself and you won't have any problems?

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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11931656 - 01/30/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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arghbilly said:
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all_for_war said:
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arghbilly said:


DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.



so what




so maybe don't entrap yourself and you won't have any problems?



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