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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: Green_T]
    #11400787 - 11/06/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i didnt actually read OP's entire post but just incase you didnt add this. All cops lie at one point or another and sadly when its your word against a cops the courts usually side with the cop. for example getting reasonable cause to search your car they can just say they smelled marijuana smoke even if there is no smell. Or if they are at your door and for some reason suspect you for having drugs in the house but dont have enough evidence for reasonable cause they will make up an excuse like "i smelled marijuana smoke" etc....cops are people and people lie.


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11930507 - 01/30/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 6 hours ago)

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When Marc Emery Direct seeds went down the DEA was unable to prosecute any American buyers for importing seeds. ZERO!

For 2 months, the DEA intercepted all outgoing mail from MED seeds and their known stealth addresses and photographed the receivers address (this evidence was in Emery's trial)

The DEA then sent a phony letter to the destination claiming they were Marc Emery Direct and they needed more money to 'process the order'. For some strange legal reason, it had to be $100 maybe to get a trafficking conviction. DEA clowns wanted you to entrap yourself by sending in a Western Union payment where you are on camera doing so with full ID. A blank money order, cash, or anonymous PP'D visa doesn't hold up in court and was thus rejected as a payment option.

Here's a copy of the DEA scam letter (notice the 'smoke for our leader' and other blatent propaganda no marijuana seed retailer would use). Basically, do the opposite of everything in this letter the DEA want you to do and you will never be caught. Also notice how they don't want you to use a PO box for importing possibly because they can't raid your box and find a grow.




Emery seeds only went down because he was giving huge money to NORML and other US marijuana legalization organizations. They don't care about anybody else, and specifically went after him after snooping and finding out where the funding was coming from.

Offical DEA statement:
"Today's DEA arrest of Marc Scott Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine, and the founder of a marijuana legalization group -- is a signficant blow not only to the marijuana trafficking trade in the U.S. and Canada, but also to the marijuana legalization movement.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery's illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canda. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on."



source?


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11931593 - 01/30/10 06:47 PM (14 years, 3 hours ago)

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DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.



so what


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11931656 - 01/30/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 2 hours ago)

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DEA only ever gets convictions from coercion and entrapment.



so what




so maybe don't entrap yourself and you won't have any problems?



impossible


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11932578 - 01/30/10 09:32 PM (14 years, 17 minutes ago)

plus seeds arnt illegal in canada so ur safe.

but if they intercept and than the customer accepts the package......cant they get raided like yuh huh


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11933597 - 01/31/10 01:32 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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but if they intercept and than the customer accepts the package......cant they get raided like yuh huh




only if there's proof you ordered it, like an invoice in it clearly stating you bought it when they open it up. 

as far as I know no attempts were made to con the buyers into signing for the seeds, so I guess a signature wasn't good enough evidence for the DEA to bother. Emery's forums had always warned against signing for the stealth letters anyways nobody would've signed hence the western union scheme the DEA came up with.

some people did reply to the DEA scam letter but nothing happened to them because they didn't wire any money since Emery got the word out he was busted right away on the forums and website.

if they did let the letters through, they can't kick in your door 3 days later and arrest you for it. how are they going to get a warrant? maybe if there was payment records on Emery's servers they seized (nothing was on there) with your name and address on it. mail is the #1 way to go



lol since i watched the show "DEA" this makes me an expert. ANd in one epidsode they intercepted a package with about 22 kilos of cocaine and did a set up where they delivered it and after he accepted the package he got raided and arrested.....


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Issues +The Mail and The Law [Re: arghbilly]
    #11933679 - 01/31/10 02:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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cocaine is a different class of controlled substance, maybe that gives them enough cause to search but that doesn't make sense. suppose you wanted to set somebody up, you could just mail them some blow and they'd go to jail although 22kilos is huge.



drugs are drugs in the DEA's eyes


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Re: Commonly Misunderstood U.S. Legal Principles; Work in Progress [Re: DryGrain]
    #11933730 - 01/31/10 02:15 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Great write-up!

I would add that private shippers such as Fedex and UPS do not need a warrant to open a package, when you sign the shipping label, the small print on the back includes the clause that they may open any package at any time for any reason. I did not know that only First-class, Express, and Priority mail required a warrant, I thought the protection extended to everything sent in the U.S. Mail.



none of them require a warrent when shipping or receiving internationally. and i dont think that they even need a warrent for nationally sent mail.


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