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Manure vs BRF
#7724823 - 12/06/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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psilocybin from mushrooms grown on cakes can be dramatically different then what grows off of of shit.
Wondering cuz the two times i had homegrowns, were unreal compared to the bullshit you sometimes get out of the ones that grow in the wild.
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
#7724835 - 12/06/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
#7724849 - 12/06/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well to answer your question yes it can differ greatly.
Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.
However, the Reason your Cakes were more potent than your Field experiences is because the strain you grew indoors on the cake was very probably a DOMESTICATED strain and not a wild one.
IF you grew that same strain outside in the garden using shit you would no doubt get an even more potent mushroom.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: drwatson]
#7724882 - 12/06/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah that helps, thanks
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
#7724904 - 12/06/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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also remember that multispore inoculation is a bit of a lottery.
Multispore is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: Nibin]
#7724976 - 12/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not to hijack this thread, but I have often wondered, how somone determines the shrooms that they want to clone via tissue culture. Sure you could go by looks and size, but what about potencey? Do you save a little piece of each one that you eat? Or, do you rely on bluing thresholds? Just curious.
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Re: Possible that.. [Re: Fraggin]
#7724988 - 12/06/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say you clone 6 different fruits/batches, grow them out and try each one. Then select the one you thought was the strongest, unless you have the proper equipment to test for the concentration of the actives.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Fraggin]
#7725001 - 12/06/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.
There is not one shred of evidence to support that statement. Some of the most potent mushrooms ever grown have come from brown rice substrate. Potency is genetic. RR
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agreed... some people think that just because you get less yield out of PF cakes that it doesn't produce equally potent mushrooms. If you eliminate the vermiculite in PF cakes and just go straight cooked brown rice in either jars or bags it will blow your mind.
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Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.
There is not one shred of evidence to support that statement. Some of the most potent mushrooms ever grown have come from brown rice substrate. Potency is genetic. RR
Well I guess I assumed that since there is more nutrients in manure that the mushrooms would be heartier. Could one perhaps take an agar wedge and make a slurry in a liquid culture and test this? Since the slurry was from the same wedge would this not be the same isolation? Or maybe the whole discussion starts to lurk into long debated territory?
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
#7725585 - 12/06/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never tried shrooms growen of poo.
I have always found my shrooms to be plenty potent that have been grownn pf tek.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
#7725597 - 12/06/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I guess I assumed that since there is more nutrients in manure that the mushrooms would be heartier
Actually, brown rice flour is far more nutritious than manure. All grains are. That's why when we use manure we use a much larger substrate. There's only a few tablespoons of brf in a 1/2 pint jar, yet they can grow some crazy mushrooms. A few tablespoons of manure will get you nowhere. RR
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
#7725604 - 12/06/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I first got into the hobby. I thought going for size was the right way, perhaps with gourmet it would be. However, with psilocybe cubensis, IME, the smaller ones seem to have a higher potencey:mass ratio, as the bigger ones had a higher mass:potencey ratio. So, I no longer worry about size individually. I have also grown to appreciate the taste of cubes grown on BRF/Verm. Some of the worst tasting shrooms I have ever eaten were grown on poo while the most palletable were grown on BRF/Verm.
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Well shit that makes since. Guess I learned something.
Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut.... :|
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
#7725654 - 12/06/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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drwatson said: Well shit that makes since. Guess I learned something.
Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut.... :|
Actually no, your idea got me to thinking... I wonder how things would go if one were to use BRF and Verm as a bulk substrate and spawn wbs to it. Now that would be interesting.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Fraggin]
#7725717 - 12/06/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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currently, i have FULL brown rice jars (cooked) colonizing. full brown rice jars will grow more than twice the amount of shrooms that the regular pf tek will grow since it has more than twice the amount per jar (3 times the amount). but requires a better sterile technique. However, the full brown rice jars don't keep moisture as well since they do not have the vermiculite to store additional water which means that you need to mist more often and so on(or just break and case).
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: bryanbzl]
#7726670 - 12/06/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Full brown rice is just another kind of grain grow, just like wbs or rye.
PF mix as a bulk, I suspect it would contaminate very quickly. That is why we use contam resistant bulk substrates that only need pasteurizing.
The easily contaminating stuff such as grains has to be sterilized and grown in jars
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Nibin]
#7727327 - 12/07/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, the mushrooms grow on a substrate that is much more nutritious to it, this alone gives it an advantage... in what? Besides taste. I was assuming it would be potency but RR has said it is in genetics which makes sense.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: future]
#7727331 - 12/07/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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BRF only really lacks in later flushes I add more BRF then normal to sustain an extra flush. I would recommend doing both and learning for yourself.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: future]
#7727374 - 12/07/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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future said: So, the mushrooms grow on a substrate that is much more nutritious to it, this alone gives it an advantage... in what? Besides taste. I was assuming it would be potency but RR has said it is in genetics which makes sense.
In production and fruit size I imagine. More food available will allow more fruits to grow.
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this might be all hype as well, but ive heard that shrooms grown on poo give more visuals than grown with PF tek. is thier any chance of the substrate effecting the type of trip? not necessarily the potency?
its probly once again all genetics but might as well bust another myth while we are at it
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Enothe]
#7727385 - 12/07/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMHO I think it's all in your head. If you think you are going to get a more visual trip, you will get it.
With cannabis the different proportions of the cannabinoids (mainly THC , CBD and CBN) will give different effects, but unless there are more active compounds in mushrooms than Psylobicin/Psylocin I can't see how you can get different effects if the concentrations are the same.
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I just started doing that, i added a little extra brf to see what happens. I Have a cake on its third flush, it produces about 6 pins, 5 aborted and 1 grew massiv, 8 inches long maybe longer !!
First and seconds flushes were good.
Anyway back to the point.
BRF and poo both have there places, and i dont think 1 is more potent than the other, im sure i heard that brf is plenty nuitricious.
It would be very hard to judge potency of mushrooms just by taking them, the effects of mushrooms are so varied not only between trips but everybody is different. For my the visuals are very breathing and shift in time with music, my brother, lights turn red and the room squishes very small like a corrider and expands etc, he has a totally different trip from me off the same shrooms.
There may be some truth, as the ratio of psylocibe to psylocin could have an effect on the trip.
It could be a while before anybody fully understands how mushrooms produce the unique effects they do.
What ever way you decide to grow shrooms, they wil most certainly work. If your unlucky to get an umpotent fruits, start over again.
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the more BRF in your cakes the more they will grow... it may not be substantial, but the more BRF the higher your yield.. thats why i am currently using full BR jars which are still colonizing. should produce about 3 times more than regular PF tek jars but will need more maintenance.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: bryanbzl]
#7727724 - 12/07/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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1 part BRF 2 part VERM
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3 part Whole brown rice (cooked)
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3 times the amount of food and 3 times the amount of yield (approx.)
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: bryanbzl]
#7727786 - 12/07/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting, is there a good method of preparing the rice??? I searched around a bit and cant find any decent information.
I have some brown rice that is doing nothing, no coffee grinder. Would be an interesting experiment.
Whats the best way to get the moisture content right. I know that when cooking rice its generaly 2-3 times as much water as rice, but for a substrate would be too soggy. Think that 1 to 1 rice and water cooked?
Also should the rice be cooked while pressure cooked, or should it be cooked first then loaded into jars and sterilised.
I feel an experiment coming on (i know its done before but i wanna try something different)
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they just take forrrreeevvvveeerrr to colonize if you are using just brown rice.. trust me.. have tried it.. just make more jars and case them.. that will get you more of a yield than waiting a month or so extra for a 1/2 pint of full brown rice to colonize... that is just in my experience though.. you may have a "white thumb" for shroom gardening, and get them to grow fast.. but not for me.. ssslllooowwww in just br without vermiculite
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Personally I think I might just combine them and start putting BRF in my Hpoo. I've seen a lot of people doing that so why not? WBS, Hpoo, Coffee grounds, BRF, a tsp of veggie oil and boom.
We'll See I guess. I'll be throwing it all together tonight when I get off work and spawn tomorrow afternoon sometime...
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: bryanbzl]
#7728824 - 12/07/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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bryanbzl said: 1 part BRF 2 part VERM
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3 times the amount of food and 3 times the amount of yield (approx.)
Too bad in actual practice, it doesn't work that way. If you're wanting to use straight grains, I'd suggest rye. You'll get far more performance than from rice. Don't forget to case them. RR
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yea exactly thats why i said approx.
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