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    #7724823 - 12/06/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

psilocybin from mushrooms grown on cakes can be dramatically different then what grows off of of shit.

Wondering cuz the two times i had homegrowns, were unreal compared to the bullshit you sometimes get out of the ones that grow in the wild.

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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
    #7724835 - 12/06/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Possible that.." IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SUBJECT


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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
    #7724849 - 12/06/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well to answer your question yes it can differ greatly.

Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.

However, the Reason your Cakes were more potent than your Field experiences is because the strain you grew indoors on the cake was very probably a DOMESTICATED strain and not a wild one.

IF you grew that same strain outside in the garden using shit you would no doubt get an even more potent mushroom.

Hope that helps.


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Re: Possible that.. [Re: drwatson]
    #7724882 - 12/06/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah that helps, thanks


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Re: Possible that.. [Re: future]
    #7724904 - 12/06/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

also remember that multispore inoculation is a bit of a lottery.

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Re: Possible that.. [Re: Nibin]
    #7724976 - 12/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not to hijack this thread, but I have often wondered, how somone determines the shrooms that they want to clone via tissue culture. Sure you could go by looks and size, but what about potencey? Do you save a little piece of each one that you eat? Or, do you rely on bluing thresholds? Just curious.


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Re: Possible that.. [Re: Fraggin]
    #7724988 - 12/06/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say you clone 6 different fruits/batches, grow them out and try each one. Then select the one you thought was the strongest, unless you have the proper equipment to test for the concentration of the actives.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Fraggin]
    #7725001 - 12/06/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.





There is not one shred of evidence to support that statement. Some of the most potent mushrooms ever grown have come from brown rice substrate. Potency is genetic.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7725315 - 12/06/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

agreed... some people think that just because you get less yield out of PF cakes that it doesn't produce equally potent mushrooms. If you eliminate the vermiculite in PF cakes and just go straight cooked brown rice in either jars or bags it will blow your mind.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7725565 - 12/06/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Typically a cubie grown on shit is going to be much more potent than one grown on PF cakes and the reason is simple, because the shit has more nutritional value to the shroom than the Brown Rice Flour in the cake.





There is not one shred of evidence to support that statement. Some of the most potent mushrooms ever grown have come from brown rice substrate. Potency is genetic.
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Well I guess I assumed that since there is more nutrients in manure that the mushrooms would be heartier. Could one perhaps take an agar wedge and make a slurry in a liquid culture and test this? Since the slurry was from the same wedge would this not be the same isolation?
Or maybe the whole discussion starts to lurk into long debated territory?


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
    #7725585 - 12/06/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have never tried shrooms growen of poo.

I have always found my shrooms to be plenty potent that have been grownn pf tek.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
    #7725597 - 12/06/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Well I guess I assumed that since there is more nutrients in manure that the mushrooms would be heartier




Actually, brown rice flour is far more nutritious than manure. All grains are. That's why when we use manure we use a much larger substrate. There's only a few tablespoons of brf in a 1/2 pint jar, yet they can grow some crazy mushrooms. A few tablespoons of manure will get you nowhere.
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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
    #7725604 - 12/06/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When I first got into the hobby. I thought going for size was the right way, perhaps with gourmet it would be. However, with psilocybe cubensis, IME, the smaller ones seem to have a higher potencey:mass ratio, as the bigger ones had a higher mass:potencey ratio. So, I no longer worry about size individually.
I have also grown to appreciate the taste of cubes grown on BRF/Verm. Some of the worst tasting shrooms I have ever eaten were grown on poo while the most palletable were grown on BRF/Verm.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7725622 - 12/06/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well shit that makes since. Guess I learned something.

Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut.... :|


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: drwatson]
    #7725654 - 12/06/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Well shit that makes since. Guess I learned something.

Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut.... :|




Actually no, your idea got me to thinking...
I wonder how things would go if one were to use BRF and Verm as a bulk substrate and spawn wbs to it. Now that would be interesting.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Fraggin]
    #7725717 - 12/06/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

currently, i have FULL brown rice jars (cooked) colonizing. full brown rice jars will grow more than twice the amount of shrooms that the regular pf tek will grow since it has more than twice the amount per jar (3 times the amount). but requires a better sterile technique. However, the full brown rice jars don't keep moisture as well since they do not have the vermiculite to store additional water which means that you need to mist more often and so on(or just break and case).


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7726670 - 12/06/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Full brown rice is just another kind of grain grow, just like wbs or rye.

PF mix as a bulk, I suspect it would contaminate very quickly. That is why we use contam resistant bulk substrates that only need pasteurizing.

The easily contaminating stuff such as grains has to be sterilized and grown in jars


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: Nibin]
    #7727327 - 12/07/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So, the mushrooms grow on a substrate that is much more nutritious to it, this alone gives it an advantage... in what? Besides taste. I was assuming it would be potency but RR has said it is in genetics which makes sense.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: future]
    #7727331 - 12/07/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BRF only really lacks in later flushes I add more BRF then normal to sustain an extra flush. I would recommend doing both and learning for yourself.


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Re: Manure vs BRF [Re: future]
    #7727374 - 12/07/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So, the mushrooms grow on a substrate that is much more nutritious to it, this alone gives it an advantage... in what? Besides taste. I was assuming it would be potency but RR has said it is in genetics which makes sense.




In production and fruit size I imagine. More food available will allow more fruits to grow.


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