|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
katfish
Nooblit



Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 592
Loc: Louisiana
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
|
WBS PCin still not getting it right
#7724811 - 12/06/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I have a pressure cooker that I recently bought, it is a small one, I can only fit 3 pint jars in it. Also it only does 11.6 PSI.
So I soak my WBS and then drain it. I fill the jars 3/4 of the way full and put them in the PC with foil over them. Now I fill the PC up with water to about halfway up the jars. I start it at high on the stove until the steam starts comming out and whistling. Do i leave it on high the entire time? or can I reduce the heat enough so that it is still steaming?
I PCed the jars for 1 hour and 4 mins today.
I ask this because the WBS looks mushy in the jars. What am I doing wrong?
kF
-------------------- 08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc 08/08/07 First mycelium show 09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui 10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized 10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed 10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!
|
pazzy
Always Hardcore


Registered: 08/24/07
Posts: 1,360
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724838 - 12/06/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Mushiness usually means your wbs was to wet when it was cooked.
I'm not sure what type of pressure cooker you are using. It should say when to turn it down in the instructions. With mine I turn the heat to low and the rocker still rocks.
Make sure to shake your jars while they are hot.
-------------------- Are you happy for a miracle?
Absolutely no source checks/discussions.
|
blood4blood
Calmer Than You Are


Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 6,029
Loc: The Valley
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724850 - 12/06/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
you'll have to pc alot longer than that at only 11 psi. you pc a minimun of 1 1/2 hrs at 15 psi.
you have way to much water in there. you only need 3/4 to 1" of water in your pc.
and im not sure about wbs but when i do grain i simmer the grains for 10-20 mins after their soak so that when i load them into the jars they will be dry because the simmer heats them up so that they can dry and not become waterlogged.
are your grains wet when you load them?
|
drwatson
Slacker



Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 686
Loc: nowhere land
Last seen: 11 years, 2 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724912 - 12/06/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Agreed. IME mushy WBS = TOO WET WBS
I have a similar PC setup. It's small (6 quart) and I have no idea if it even gets to 15 psi! But it hasn't failed me yet and this is what works for me.....
I start my heat out on high for about 3 minutes then i go straight to just below medium heat. It stays on medium heat until it reaches preassure and I let it ride for about 2 hours or so. Oh and the water only takes up about 1.5 inches on the bottom of the PC, I put a stainless steel Lid from one of my cooking pots on the bottom of the PC flipped upside down so my jars/bag can sit on top. (sometimes if the steam seems to dwindle I stop the whole process and add more water so that it doesn't burn out, I would rather do this than have my stuff sitting in water directly but that's me)
WBS is fun to work with because there doesn't seem to be a "BEST" way to bring it to moisture. Everyone seems to do it a little differantly. Typically I soak my WBS for 24-48 hours - rinse well - drain well (upto 30 minutes or more drain time) then load in jars or bags and PC. I don't usually simmer but a lot of people do simmer and get great results. I get results without simmering so it's really up to you.
ON a side note I just started a WBS experiment that involved only rinsing my WBS with NO SOAK and NO SIMMER. I just filled the jars with water to just above the half way point that the WBS takes up. In other words I didn't let the water cover the WBS completely, infact just the opposite, I only let the water come up to just past half the total space that the WBS takes up in the Jar and put this straight into the PC for 2 hours.
Looked just right when it came out so we'll see i guess. That was a long ass response wasn't it?
Edited by drwatson (12/06/07 03:12 PM)
|
katfish
Nooblit



Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 592
Loc: Louisiana
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: blood4blood]
#7724914 - 12/06/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
yeah I am loading them wet, so i have to let them dry out again after I soak and drain them? like let them sit in the collender for 12 hours or so?
Also only 1 inch of water at the bottom of the PC? I will try it, I will crank it high at first until it starts steaming and the thing pops up and then put it on lower heat.
here is some pics of it.


hopefully that will help.
are they any pressure cooker basic instructions on how to use them?
katfish
|
drwatson
Slacker



Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 686
Loc: nowhere land
Last seen: 11 years, 2 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724938 - 12/06/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Shit i was editing my post while you responded...
yeah about 1.5" of water. I sometimes stop in the middle and add more though so that i doesn't burn it all up.
Well the longest I've let mine drain is about an hour but it's worked out so far with only a few jars/bags go south . . . well better then 50/50 anyway.
|
blood4blood
Calmer Than You Are


Registered: 04/25/07
Posts: 6,029
Loc: The Valley
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724944 - 12/06/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
does that pc have a rocker? it has to have some sort of way of restricting the steam or you will run out of water.
yea def. dont load the seed wet. like i said im not sure if wbs is the same as rye in having to soak for 24 hrs and then simmer but im sure the simmer wont hurt them and it helps them dry off alot faster.
|
katfish
Nooblit



Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 592
Loc: Louisiana
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: blood4blood]
#7724961 - 12/06/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
rocker?
yeah that is the problem I am having that the steam steams so much that I run out of water.
I guess this PC is just not usable for making jars maybe? I got it for $20.00 at Fred Discount Stores. I have had success with a few half pints I made with it and knocked em up with some b+, they are doing great, bright white mycileum.
kF
|
katfish
Nooblit



Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 592
Loc: Louisiana
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724975 - 12/06/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
drwatson:
so you are saying pour the wbs in and then pour water directly into the jar, seal the lid and PC the "wbs soup" thats in the jar? does all the water evaporate when you are done PCin?
thats sounds like a good idea. kF
-------------------- 08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc 08/08/07 First mycelium show 09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui 10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized 10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed 10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7724980 - 12/06/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
katfish said: drwatson:
so you are saying pour the wbs in and then pour water directly into the jar, seal the lid and PC the "wbs soup" thats in the jar? does all the water evaporate when you are done PCin?
thats sounds like a good idea. kF
That sounds like a horrible idea.
|
katfish
Nooblit



Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 592
Loc: Louisiana
Last seen: 15 years, 11 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: Fraggin]
#7725028 - 12/06/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
hmm.
well I don't know, i can't even get this PC to work right.
I guess I will have to spend the cash to get a decent one. This one is really too small anyway. Maybe I can trade it to someone on here who needs a cheap one.
kF
-------------------- 08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc 08/08/07 First mycelium show 09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui 10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized 10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed 10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7725038 - 12/06/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I got a large old pressure canner from a thrift store for free. The lady gave me two prestos and a bit All American just to get them out of her way. If you wanna do quarts of wbs, then the all american will make it worth while.
|
drwatson
Slacker



Registered: 10/29/07
Posts: 686
Loc: nowhere land
Last seen: 11 years, 2 months
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: katfish]
#7725063 - 12/06/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
katfish said: drwatson:
so you are saying pour the wbs in and then pour water directly into the jar, seal the lid and PC the "wbs soup" thats in the jar? does all the water evaporate when you are done PCin?
thats sounds like a good idea. kF
No it doesn't look anything like a soup. the water level is below the WBS level.
It may seem like a horrible idea which is why it's an experiment. But I will say this: there was no standing water in the jar after they came out of the PC and they look perfect, if anything they'll be too dry. If it doesn't colonize and ends up being a horrible idea that's fine too. . . that's why it's an experiment.
If it does work though I'll post about it.
I wouldn't suggest doing it unless you don't care if it fails because i have no idea it it'll even work.
Oh the jar lids are as PF jar lids would be.
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: WBS PCin still not getting it right [Re: drwatson]
#7725081 - 12/06/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
drwatson said:
Quote:
katfish said: drwatson:
so you are saying pour the wbs in and then pour water directly into the jar, seal the lid and PC the "wbs soup" thats in the jar? does all the water evaporate when you are done PCin?
thats sounds like a good idea. kF
No it doesn't look anything like a soup. the water level is below the WBS level.
It may seem like a horrible idea which is why it's an experiment. But I will say this: there was no standing water in the jar after they came out of the PC and they look perfect, if anything they'll be too dry. If it doesn't colonize and ends up being a horrible idea that's fine too. . . that's why it's an experiment.
If it does work though I'll post about it.
I wouldn't suggest doing it unless you don't care if it fails because i have no idea it it'll even work.
Oh the jar lids are as PF jar lids would be.
Thats odd logic. An antithesis almost.
|
|