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Fraggin
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Uses for Mycellium Metabolites
#7724428 - 12/06/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I this forum and read often and find myself at the info here. I feel a bit compared to some of the other experts here so I never post any questions. But, a reply in another subforum reminded me of this and I thought I would pose the question.
On one of my grows, I had some metabolites pooled on top the myceillium and use a large to off the casing.
My question is, what could one do with a few CC's of metabolites?
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7724925 - 12/06/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Experiment. Put some bacteria on a petri dish, and then put down a line of metabolite. Watch how they stop the spread of the bacteria. Without a lab, I doubt you could make your own antibiotics, but penicillin and the other common antibiotics are made from fungi metabolite.
I've also found that mushroom metabolites will kill trichoderma mycelium on a petri dish. In fact, it would probably kill off any competitor fungi, even other mushroom species. RR
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7725048 - 12/06/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: binarycircuit]
#7725096 - 12/06/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RR, Do you know of any viable methods to collect and store metabolites?
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7726052 - 12/06/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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possibly stor eit in the fridge and collect it with a needle
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: milkman]
#7727943 - 12/07/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Could you grow the metabolites out on a petri, transfer to some sort or medium and then apply to a contamed jar or casing when needed.
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Fraggin
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If anything did grow, wouldn't it be residual mycelial cells withing the metabolites?
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7728123 - 12/07/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont thin k the metabolites grow its excreted from the mycelium
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: milkman]
#7729064 - 12/07/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nonliving things, such as myc piss, don't grow.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: fastfred]
#7729087 - 12/07/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Piss? lol...
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7730156 - 12/07/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I had a garden I would water my plants with the water I dunked cakes in. My plants were always generally happy. I can't wait until I live somewhere good for plants again. Last winter I still had my best P. viridis which was a 2 1/2 ft tall mini bush. I kept it alive in this 5% or so humidity climate for most of the winter. The house I was living in though was wood heat only unless I was there it got fucking cold. One night I stayed over at this girls house and my roommate didn't go home either. The house got down to freezing and my baby that I grew from a leaf cutting for almost three years died. Anyways I figure decomposers are the step right before plants so some of the shit in the myco-piss is probably good for them.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#7734329 - 12/08/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you have any seeds to germinate mix it with a little water and spray it around see if it stop mold and fungus growth without damaging the seed. That would be a good use of it for me. Ill probly try it out soon.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7734429 - 12/08/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if one is highly allergic to penicillin, could fungi metabolite be harmful?
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: MYSTIQUE]
#7767954 - 12/16/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MYSTIQUE said: If you have any seeds to germinate mix it with a little water and spray it around see if it stop mold and fungus growth without damaging the seed. That would be a good use of it for me. Ill probly try it out soon.
That's a great idea. If that worked it would be perfect for cacti seeds for instance which often take months to germinate. Let us know how that works out.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#7768612 - 12/17/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only problem that I see with that (though, it may be a benefit)is the compounds or chemicals or what have you that are in metabolites that are responsible for increasing decomposition of biological matter may also work to decompose a seed.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7776693 - 12/19/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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absolutely.. metabolites are designed to break down grains and wood.. grains are seeds right... so the metabolites would be breaking down the outside layer.. this could be harmful, OR it could make the seed germinate better..
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Slimz]
#7777458 - 12/19/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it would be interesting to start a small compost pile using collected mushroom metabolites as a kind of activator to start the decomposition process, then use that compost as a substrate. I doubt that any phenominal effcts would be because of the metabolites, but it seems almost like a symbolical experiment. Kind of like cooking a baby goat in it's mother's milk..
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7794110 - 12/23/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats pretty raw, cooking a baby goat in its mothers milk.. Sounds like a good idea though.
How do you get the metabolites from the myc/substrate? My bulks have some on top, and I have just been using a corner of a clean towel to 'suck' it up without much contact.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: MonstroniuM]
#7803278 - 12/27/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MonstroniuM said: Thats pretty raw, cooking a baby goat in its mothers milk.. Sounds like a good idea though.
How do you get the metabolites from the myc/substrate? My bulks have some on top, and I have just been using a corner of a clean towel to 'suck' it up without much contact.
I have always used a spare syringe with not needle or a turkey baster to suck up little pools of it.
And the recipe was a biblical entry about some of the laws enforced in the old testament.
The commandment prohibiting the cooking a goat in its mother's milk is generally believed to be behind the broader Jewish dietary law prohibiting the mixing of meat and milk. However, this commandment is believed by some academics, such as Robert Gordon, to condemn a specific religious ritual, differing from that of the Temple in Jerusalem and described in the Ugaritic Ras Shamra tablets, that involved cooking a goat kid in this manner. The majority of critical scholars, though, for example Richard Hiers of the University of Florida, support the idea that the commandment derives from a concern for the welfare of the mother. This concern is thought to stem from a belief, common also among herding societies in East Africa such as the Kaguru, that cooking an animal in its mother's milk will have a harmful sympathetic effect on the mother, causing her to cease lactating, to fall ill, or even killing her. (See the works comparing African beliefs to the Torah commandments by David Felder, a professor of African philosophy.) Thus this commandment would be a protective injunction in a largely herding society such as Canaan in the early first millennium BCE.
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Re: Uses for Mycellium Metabolites [Re: Fraggin]
#7804420 - 12/27/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fraggin said: The only problem that I see with that (though, it may be a benefit)is the compounds or chemicals or what have you that are in metabolites that are responsible for increasing decomposition of biological matter may also work to decompose a seed.
I meant for plant already growing not for watering non-sprouted seeds.
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