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RosettaStoned
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How Phone Polling REALLY Works
#7723520 - 12/06/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Check this out, I would love to read a transcript from a Zogby phone call. I bet they do the same exact shit.
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I received a fascinating call from a member of the local grassroots community. Just today, he received an automated telephone poll call for Republican primary candidates. And despite Rep. Ron Paul’s obvious stature as a leading candidate, Rep. Paul was nowhere to be found on the list of choices.
So my friend pressed “6″ to choose “Other”. However, even though he pressed “6″ to choose “Other”, the system responded as if he had pressed “7″ and announced that he had been removed from the list. Keep in mind that “6″ is about as far as you can get from “7″ on a telephone keypad. He’s sure he pressed “6″.
Thanks to the miracles of digital answering services, the whole call was recorded. Listen to it yourself here. I wonder who IMC Polling is? Don’t think I’ll be using them in my campaign.
Next time you hear of Ron Paul “polling in the single digits”, remember the phone poll that didn’t count “Other” votes.
Addendum: Others have commented, and I’ve confirmed to my own ear’s satisfaction, that the touch tone in the clip is, in fact, a “6″. It’s nowhere near a “7″. I don’t have perfect pitch, but certainly close enough. http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-phone-polls-really-work/
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7723536 - 12/06/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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scandalous!
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7728045 - 12/07/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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good thing we have polling places instead of cold phone call elections.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7728258 - 12/07/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There have been plenty more reports of that happening. It happened to this guy too. Here is some information he dug up in a copy of his post he just put up, if you want to take some action on it. Interesting to learn that Newt Gingrinch has been contracting them.
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I just got a phone poll call at 11:33 AM. It was exactly like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPpCvF7N3Vg
I pressed 6 for other and was told I would be removed from the list, which was choice # 7.
Caller ID identifies the caller as, Info Cision Man and caller # is 1-330-670-8676.
This shit has to stop.
(edited for more info) Perhaps Infocision should be contacted about this? http://www.infocision.com/Pages/Welc...nfoCision.aspx
For more information on InfoCision’s unique teleservices capabilities, and how they can work for you, contact us today.
InfoCision Management Corporation 325 Springside Drive Akron, Ohio 44333 Phone: 330-668-1400
(edited for more info) I just called Infocision, and the person who answered was very helpful. She said it was probably a computer glitch, Yeah Right. I asked who was contracting for these phone polls, and she told me that Newt Gingrich contracts for many of their polls. I also informed her of the Youtube videos documenting the fraud, and she was not aware of those videos being out there. I told her she could search Youtube and find them. She said she would pass the information to the right people. I hope this helps.
E-mail us: infocis@infocision.com
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Yeah we hear about how Ron Paul doesn't do shit in the polls, I think next time I hear that I'm going to bump this post or link to it. How can you not list the guy who has the biggest single day fund raising event ever on the phone poll roaster and expect us to believe the 2% bullshit??? Not to mention on average he has won/placed higher than all of his opposition in straw polls, yet not worthy of place when they do a phone poll?
Those fucking polls are more phony than zappa's opposition to the war on drugs.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7728504 - 12/07/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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they are skewed because when the media reports these phone poll results they hope that everyone who would vote for ron paul thinks he has no chance at winning that they need to vote for someone else. truly a shame. i hope the American people will wake up for this election instead of just voting for whoever Iowa picks because believe it or not America Iowa is not packed full of Mensa members ffs.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: SlashOZ]
#7730229 - 12/07/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071206-researchers-track-ron-paul-spam-back-to-reactor-botnet.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071031-ron-paul-camp-gets-over-enthusiastic-with-spam.html
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Presidential hopeful Ron Paul hasn't been doing very well with the print media, and offline, his name recognition isn't that high. But online, the libertarian candidate seems to have an almost cult-like following. But how much of that is real? Much of Ron Paul's online support may be at least partially manufactured by overenthusiastic supporters, as some researchers say that spammers have recently stepped up their efforts to gain support for their favorite candidate.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: zappaisgod]
#7731243 - 12/07/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats why Hannity and Colmes, on Fox news just reported that Politicos in Iowa who are on the ground and in the scene are putting Paul at 3rd now.
Zappa, do you realize that Ron Paul is most likely going to out raise all of the other republican candidates this quarter. he's already over $10 million and we still have the highly promoted Dec 16th tea-party, fund raising day coming up, with estimates to raise between another 6-12 million in one day. His last money bomb with less promotion and notice took in 4.3 million in one day.
Last 4 GOP Straw polls? Ron took first in northern S.C., First in West Virginia, second in San Diego ( Romney bought that one again-he was there for it) and one in SF a few days ago was canceled because too many RP supporters showed up. They said it wasn't fair because Fred didn't have enough of his supporters there to vote for him.
Go to your next country REC meeting and see for yourself whats really going on.
Paul has more delegates than anyone else in WV. Any state passed it's deadline for delegates, has Paul's filled up, any state passed a petition requirement to get a candidate on the ballot, already has Paul on it.
I think you are the last one left in this forum, who is now completely out of touch with the reality of Paul's active support base out there, who would rather eat tar then miss showing up to vote for Paul in their states primary.
Even Rudy Giuliani today in an interview said, " Ron Paul has supporters all over the country and they are very enthusiastic"
I'll post a you tube link for you so you can hear him say it for yourself.
The media is all ready starting to cover the Ron Paul Blimp project and it's not even in the air yet. Have you heard about that grassroots brainstorm yet? The money is there for it and it will be flying up and down the east coast for the early Primary's. It's the size of the Goodyear, and the media is lining up for rides in it.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: zappaisgod]
#7732882 - 12/08/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071206-researchers-track-ron-paul-spam-back-to-reactor-botnet.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071031-ron-paul-camp-gets-over-enthusiastic-with-spam.html
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Presidential hopeful Ron Paul hasn't been doing very well with the print media, and offline, his name recognition isn't that high. But online, the libertarian candidate seems to have an almost cult-like following. But how much of that is real? Much of Ron Paul's online support may be at least partially manufactured by overenthusiastic supporters, as some researchers say that spammers have recently stepped up their efforts to gain support for their favorite candidate.
Redardless of whether or not there are bots helping his polling numbers.. I doubt his campaign contributions are as easily hacked. 11 million bucks in a quarter that ain't over ain't bad. I doubt anyone who figured out how to vote twice can figure out how to turn 100 bucks into 500 as easily. If it were as easy... everyone else would be doing it.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: BrAiN]
#7733161 - 12/08/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Redardless of whether or not there are bots helping his polling numbers..
The whole bot thing is a load of BS. Simple fact is that Paul has a massive following online and it shows on any online poll, blog, forum, or other system that allows online users to post an opinion. People that think Paul's online support is nothing more than a few yoyo's running a botnet are in for a very rude awakening in few months.
At the same time, I think a lot of the online folks are a little out of touch with how little name recognition there is in real life among non-internet users. As the Paul supporters start to move from the online world to the real world, this will change (as it has been, recently). I don't think the polling system is completely broken. The low results Paul is getting with traditional polls are just as (in)valid as the massive results Paul gets online.
I suspect the Huckabee surge is indicative of what is going to happen. People are upset at politicians. Congress' approval rating is at the lowest it has ever been in the history of the US. Bush' approval rating is right down there with them. People want a change. Mainstream media offered up Huckabee as an alternative, and his numbers show that people took the offer. Unfortunately for Huckabee, his history is easily attackable; his record as Governor is not very pretty. As the race gets ugly, a lot of Huckabee's support is going to migrate.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: Seuss]
#7733306 - 12/08/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's a little BS too. I agree with you. Although I do feel a lot of polls that ask who won a debate have a lot of Democrats voting as well as a lot of popularity polls which might give the wrong idea.
I'm not saying if there are people out there spamming the polls or if there aren't.
I'm just trying to prove to the neigh-sayers that Ron Paul is legitimate, showing that regarless if whether or not you believe the poll numbers are fudged, there are other numbers that DONT LIE which more realistically show the candidates' popularities and that is the CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.
I'm just challenging the poll neighsayers.. saying.. if you don't believe the polls... that's fine but then how can you ignore the campaign money? Explain THAT.
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: zappaisgod]
#7733571 - 12/08/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Presidential hopeful Ron Paul hasn't been doing very well with the print media, and offline, his name recognition isn't that high
Yet again zappa proves himself to be as dense as they come. The whole point in this post, is to show evidence of WHY Ron Paul isn't doing very well in the national media. The national media or "print media" as it says here, gets their percentage numbers from phone polls like the one shown in this thread. Where they call people and leave Ron Pauls name off the list even after he has clearly shown his status as a front runner. His name recognition isn't "that high" because the polls they get that info from are phony as hell.
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as some researchers say that spammers have recently stepped up their efforts to gain support for their favorite candidate.
Kinda like how Mit Romney has people spam-vote 200-300 times each for him in straw polls? Or did you conveniently ignore those documented reports?
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Re: How Phone Polling REALLY Works [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7734359 - 12/08/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RosettaStoned said:
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Presidential hopeful Ron Paul hasn't been doing very well with the print media, and offline, his name recognition isn't that high
Yet again zappa proves himself to be as dense as they come. The whole point in this post, is to show evidence of WHY Ron Paul isn't doing very well in the national media. The national media or "print media" as it says here, gets their percentage numbers from phone polls like the one shown in this thread. Where they call people and leave Ron Pauls name off the list even after he has clearly shown his status as a front runner. His name recognition isn't "that high" because the polls they get that info from are phony as hell.
And the point of those citations was about Paulbot spammers. Which do exist. How can you say this, "he has clearly shown his status as a front runner" and whine that he isn't getting attention? Clearly, he hasn't shown anything of the kind.Quote:
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as some researchers say that spammers have recently stepped up their efforts to gain support for their favorite candidate.
Kinda like how Mit Romney has people spam-vote 200-300 times each for him in straw polls? Or did you conveniently ignore those documented reports?
Yep, it kinda is like that. What's your point?
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