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InvisibleShroomyJay
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Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection???
    #7722783 - 12/06/07 12:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is in a way a follow-up to a couple of my previous posts. Let me summarize.

A couple of weeks ago, I was on a mushroom trip, about 3 grams dry. A couple of hours in, I decided to give what seemed to be a very mild trip a jumpstart by taking a hit. And indeed, I only needed one hit, before I was seeing intense closed-eye visuals. This was very enjoyable for about ten minutes, until I suddenly started to feel very strange in the head. I felt a strange tingling sensation at the back of my head, and as it would build in intensity, the rest of my brain felt like it was buzzing, as if all my neurons were charging up and getting ready to fire at the same time. As this happened, my field of vision would fill with a yellow-orange light.

I immediately worried that I might be on the verge of having a seizure (not that I've ever had one!) and tried to resist. I found that I had some level of control over this phenomenon, but it definitely felt like swimming upstream, and the next half hour or so was very unpleasant.

I didn't smoke again until a couple of days later. When I did, I found that it only took two hits to get me as high as I've ever been. Furthermore, I once again felt this occasional tingling in the back of my brain, and every time it occurred, I would have the most intense visuals covering my entire field of vision, regardless of whether my eyes were open or shut. I'm talking about glowing 3D mountainscapes and the like. They were INTENSE and occured as flashes. Every time it happened, I tried to resist and shut off the process. I felt that if I didn't resist, these visuals would take me very far out of my head, much further than I've ever planned to go.

The experience was so intense that I stopped smoking weed that day (about two weeks ago), and haven't smoked since. However, the story doesn't end there.

Since then I've experienced anxiety as a result of quitting weed, something which I've successfully managed via relaxation techniques and 5-HTP supplementation. But I've continued to feel these occasional tingles at the same spot as before. I've also been experiencing extremely vivid, intense, and bizarre dreams, and I often wake up at night with that tingling sensation.

I've been trying to figure out what exactly is going on here. After thinking about it for a while, I've now realized that I've experienced something like this before, about ten years ago. It happened one day while I was reading and starting to doze off. Just at the moment when I might actually have drifted off to sleep, I felt a TEARING sensation at the exact spot where I'm now feeling a tingling. It was accompanied by a loud roaring sound, and almost immediately, I found myself in a different place. It was still my bedroom, but all of the walls were covered in intricate patterns very similar to those found on Persian carpets. Again, I was not on any drugs at that moment. It took me about ten seconds to realize what was happening, and just as soon as I did, I was startled out of the experience and back in my normal room.

Now I should mention that I've ALWAYS experienced mild closed-eye visuals when smoking weed, and they always seem to take the shape of these same kinds of patterns. But I haven't experienced this persistent tingling sensation until recently.

So today I started thinking about what might be going on here. I decided to begin by researching what function that specific location in the brain serves. Strangely, just as I made that decision, I had a thought appear in my head. It said "pineal gland".

Now mind you, I've never done any in-depth research into the brain or the pineal gland, so I'm not sure where this thought came from. But when I looked it up, sure enough, it's located in the exact spot where I'm feeling these sensations. The first sentence I read states that the pineal gland is what mystics refer to as the third eye. It also releases melatonin at night, a function which is intensified by cannabis use.

It apparently plays a role in what people refer to as astral projection, the separating of one's astral body from the physical body, an event which is accompanied by the same kind of tearing sound I heard ten years ago.

All of this is fascinating, I admit, and from what I've been reading, there are people who spend years practicing to be able to experience "astral projection". I'm sure there are people reading this who just want to respond "Don't resist it, man, just float downstream."

But truth be told, I'd rather not be on the verge of separating from my physical body on a perpetual basis. Today it happened to me while I was at work, and that's just not acceptable.

So my humble question is, who else has experienced this and does it go away?

(And thanks for reading all this!)


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7723053 - 12/06/07 03:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the sensation
is most likely pharyngeal or sinus, as sensations do not emerge from inside the brain as such.

the effects could be grouped together and classed as HPPD.

however I think everyone gets it and either does not complain or ignores it.

bear in mind that you can have more than one thing happenning at once.

so if you get something like this happenning
and you are locking in on it,
dropping all else,
even finding yourself immersed in another world
and becoming shocked that it is happenning at work,
it is partly your own doing.

Also it can become habit forming to succumb to it.

(yes I have done that too, yes to marijuana being way too strong, and yes yes yes to persian carpet patterns on the wall and yes to the sense of panic that some transformation is underway at an unsuitable time)

to get some comfort you need to see what is happenning in context better and to manage the habit detatchment with an expanded response.

mental state change naturally happens during emotion, during dreaming (and waking up from a dream will definitely have this), during meditative absorption, and from psychoactive drugs.

mental state ranges from normal stream of consciousness without much reflection; to mild resonance or reflection; medium resonance and reflection with sensory enhancement; intense resonance, reverberation and trails; very intense layering of sensation and thought/memory; bewilderingly intense layering of sensation or delerium; and finally blackout or amnesia.

the difference between the states, or how stoned you are, is how many layers of experiencing are concurrent.

In ordinary mental states, you can have more than one stream running as part of one ongoing gestalt, i.e. driving and talking, or eating and reading... What is different in stoned states is that the gestalt frames of experience fade less quickly and become layered. slower fading of frames leads to more heavily layered mental states.

Where the habit and panic come into your specific problem, is that you are finding triggers, getting excited about them emotionally, and from the emotional response you are beginning to change state. then the habit includes a bit of feedback which intensifies the emotion and loops into a full on HPPD like experience.

SO in my opinion and experience, you want to become more cognizant of your gestalts more often, observe associative mentation (how simmilarity is used in the mind to bring memories together instantaneously) and how slower fading of signals is related to layering of gestalts and the whole range of psychedelic phenomena.


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7723680 - 12/06/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

some times when i make an attempt to lucid dream i get to a point where i need to assert my will in order to break through, and quite often instead of falling asleep i feel like i slam into this force field, my body becomes frozen and i hear this powerful electric tearing sensation that i could perpetuate but is generally to unplesant to do so. so i step back and the sensation dissapates.

its probably the strangest and most frightening experience ive experienced sober... similar perhaps to what you speak of?


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7724958 - 12/06/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the sensation
is most likely pharyngeal or sinus, as sensations do not emerge from inside the brain as such.

the effects could be grouped together and classed as HPPD.

however I think everyone gets it and either does not complain or ignores it.

bear in mind that you can have more than one thing happenning at once.

so if you get something like this happenning
and you are locking in on it,
dropping all else,
even finding yourself immersed in another world
and becoming shocked that it is happenning at work,
it is partly your own doing.

Also it can become habit forming to succumb to it.

(yes I have done that too, yes to marijuana being way too strong, and yes yes yes to persian carpet patterns on the wall and yes to the sense of panic that some transformation is underway at an unsuitable time)

to get some comfort you need to see what is happenning in context better and to manage the habit detatchment with an expanded response.

mental state change naturally happens during emotion, during dreaming (and waking up from a dream will definitely have this), during meditative absorption, and from psychoactive drugs.

mental state ranges from normal stream of consciousness without much reflection; to mild resonance or reflection; medium resonance and reflection with sensory enhancement; intense resonance, reverberation and trails; very intense layering of sensation and thought/memory; bewilderingly intense layering of sensation or delerium; and finally blackout or amnesia.

the difference between the states, or how stoned you are, is how many layers of experiencing are concurrent.

In ordinary mental states, you can have more than one stream running as part of one ongoing gestalt, i.e. driving and talking, or eating and reading... What is different in stoned states is that the gestalt frames of experience fade less quickly and become layered. slower fading of frames leads to more heavily layered mental states.

Where the habit and panic come into your specific problem, is that you are finding triggers, getting excited about them emotionally, and from the emotional response you are beginning to change state. then the habit includes a bit of feedback which intensifies the emotion and loops into a full on HPPD like experience.

SO in my opinion and experience, you want to become more cognizant of your gestalts more often, observe associative mentation (how simmilarity is used in the mind to bring memories together instantaneously) and how slower fading of signals is related to layering of gestalts and the whole range of psychedelic phenomena.




Good post, I think the OP should see the sense in that.


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InvisibleShroomyJay
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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7725683 - 12/06/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Very informative post, redgreenvines. Thanks. I will look into this possibility. Basically, my emotional response (resistance, panic, and anxiety) is what I felt was keeping me from lapsing back into that hallucinatory world, but perhaps I should just relax and see what happens (which if what you say is true would be nothing out of the ordinary).

I would love it if the tingling is just my sinuses acting up. :grin:

If, on the other hand, I end up having an out-of-body experience while sitting at my station at work, then I'll be back for more questions...


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: habitat0789]
    #7725690 - 12/06/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

habitat0789 said:
some times when i make an attempt to lucid dream i get to a point where i need to assert my will in order to break through, and quite often instead of falling asleep i feel like i slam into this force field, my body becomes frozen and i hear this powerful electric tearing sensation that i could perpetuate but is generally to unplesant to do so. so i step back and the sensation dissapates.

its probably the strangest and most frightening experience ive experienced sober... similar perhaps to what you speak of?




Yes, this is exactly what I experienced ten years ago. I wonder why most lucid dreamers don't seem to experience this. (Maybe they do, and I haven't read about it...)


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7725730 - 12/06/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How do you attempt to lucid dream or have this "scary sensation" I want to learn how. Whats the name of it atleast? lol.. damn communacation skillz..

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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7725893 - 12/06/07 07:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One more thing, I don't know why I have such intense experiences with pot, but I've learned not to mix it with harder psychedelics anymore. Usually shrooms or LSD provide me with a great sense of inner clarity, but combined with pot, the experiences always transform into something very schizophrenic and frightening.


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: ShroomyJay]
    #7725955 - 12/06/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If Im not mistaken persian carpet patterns are often expirienced during DMT trips which is produced naturally in the brain, just something to think about.


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: 2012shaman]
    #7725993 - 12/06/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

DMT being produced by the brain is not proven at all
but you could describe psychedelic effects as being DMT like
or LSD like
or Mushroom like
if that is your point of reference.

Pot introduces very strong physical enhancements which are overwhelming on acid or mushrooms
I avoid mixing as well.

wine is delicious on acid/mushroom.
(don't over do it tho)


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7726204 - 12/06/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
DMT being produced by the brain is not proven at all
but you could describe psychedelic effects as being DMT like
or LSD like
or Mushroom like
if that is your point of reference.

Pot introduces very strong physical enhancements which are overwhelming on acid or mushrooms

I avoid mixing as well.

wine is delicious on acid/mushroom.
(don't over do it tho)




I could see that, I think that certain people just react differently. I think sometimes if i smoke and seem to feel that... a few beers can drown out the physical feeling... or help depending on how many :laugh:


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Re: Pineal gland tingling & pot-induced astral projection??? [Re: andrewss]
    #7728406 - 12/07/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hmm...


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