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I get to teach my class !!!
    #7720717 - 12/05/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Man I'm exited i asked my health teacher if i could teach the class about pot. I read what the text book had to say and i couldn't stand it i have to put the FACTS out there.
I'm covering
How it DOESN'T kill your brain cells
it doesn't cause cancer
studies are proving its a neuron protector
It only effects your memory when your on it, so it doesn't damage your brain.
How it helps prevent some diseases, like mad cow disease etc.
also its helps prevent stroke.
that people who call it a "gate way drug." are wrong pot doesn't make you try other drugs.
Also there have been no marijuana caused deaths...unless it was involved by the users own irresponsibility

But I'm trying not to be bias so i will mention
it does actually increase you chance of infection in the lungs and throat.
cotton mouth
paranoia...but that mainly happens with noobs.

So i was wondering if any one had any thing to add?

Ive also heard that cotton mouth is your body's way of getting rid of tar...but I'm not sure about that one.
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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7720734 - 12/05/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how would cottonmouth get rid of tar? also i'd like to see where you read about pot stopping mad cow disease. that sounds made up to me. otherwise you have good points already. if i were you i'd point out the fact that many consider tobacco and alcohol as a gateway drug.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7720745 - 12/05/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You cough marijuana tar up shortly after smoking with mucous


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7720747 - 12/05/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i'd like to see where you read about pot stopping mad cow disease. that sounds made up to me.




Yeah I'd leave that out. It made me LOL so I'm sure it will grab some giggles from your classmates too.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: wortiesbo]
    #7720752 - 12/05/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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wortiesbo said:
how would cottonmouth get rid of tar? also i'd like to see where you read about pot stopping mad cow disease. that sounds made up to me. otherwise you have good points already. if i were you i'd point out the fact that many consider tobacco and alcohol as a gateway drug.




http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7362
there's the link its saying CBD help prevent it i believe.
And yea i thought the same thing about cotton mouth, so until i can get legitimate info on it i wont mention it. i don't want to spread false information. Thanks for the alcohol and tobacco ideas man


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7720766 - 12/05/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You cough marijuana tar up shortly after smoking with mucous




As much as i want to readily believe it do you have any information to support it it could really help?  :grin:


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7720769 - 12/05/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im pretty sure smoking anything will cause cancer. I just dont think the risk assessment is as great as smoking cigs because there isnt any of that artifical shit in pot.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7720778 - 12/05/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Im pretty sure smoking anything will cause cancer. I just dont think the risk assessment is as great as smoking cigs because there isnt any of that artifical shit in pot.




Ah oh Kay thanks for that. :thumbup: i want to make this as accurate as possible


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7720779 - 12/05/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Marijauana is completely different from cigarette tar if you didn't know, cigarette tar causes permanent damage in your lungs by causing the alveoli in your lungs to burst and it leaves a coating of tar on your lungs. Marijauana tar does not stay in your lungs, and it temporarily inflame


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7720804 - 12/05/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Scar said:
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AaronEvil said:
Im pretty sure smoking anything will cause cancer. I just dont think the risk assessment is as great as smoking cigs because there isnt any of that artifical shit in pot.




Ah oh Kay thanks for that. :thumbup: i want to make this as accurate as possible




No that is completely wrong, THC does not cause cancer. And marijuana smoke does not cause cancer. The reason that cigarettes cause cancer is because of the radiation, not from "carcinogens". THC has recently been proven to be an antioxidant, and reduce/stop tumor growth in rats.

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Scar said:
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Caribou_Lou said:
You cough marijuana tar up shortly after smoking with mucous




As much as i want to readily believe it do you have any information to support it it could really help?  :grin:




I recently wrote a 10 page thesis paper on marijuana but I don't have it and I'm not going to try and find it. I suggest you believe what I said, because I know what I'm talking about. Maybe do a little of your own research.


Edited by Caribou_Lou (12/05/07 05:40 PM)


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7720812 - 12/05/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Scar said:
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AaronEvil said:
Im pretty sure smoking anything will cause cancer. I just dont think the risk assessment is as great as smoking cigs because there isnt any of that artifical shit in pot.




Ah oh Kay thanks for that. :thumbup: i want to make this as accurate as possible




No that is completely wrong, THC does not cause cancer. And marijuana smoke does not cause cancer. The reason that cigarettes cause cancer is because of the radiation, not from "carcinogens". THC has recently been proven to be an antioxidant, and reduce/stop tumor growth in rats.




i thought so, but i wasn't sure thank you i appreciate it


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7720861 - 12/05/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So, when you say something like:

"Studies are proving it's a neuron protector"

Have you ever read a scientific study (e.g. looked it up on pubmed), or is that just something you heard.

If I were a student I would say: "What studies?, can you show me those and how they were done?", or would you simply link me to a NORML page with that phrase in it?


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: badchad]
    #7720937 - 12/05/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
So, when you say something like:

"Studies are proving it's a neuron protector"

Have you ever read a scientific study (e.g. looked it up on pubmed), or is that just something you heard.

If I were a student I would say: "What studies?, can you show me those and how they were done?", or would you simply link me to a NORML page with that phrase in it?




Why of course i have, I'm not foolish enough to assume every thing is correct that i hear, I've researched it on http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
and ive read a couple of the heath related published articles in the health section. And unfortunately i cannot SHOW you how its done, i lack the finds to conduct that kind of research, but for what i don't know ive asked around and for every source i get I'm trying to find evidence to support it. And if you read the article link i posted, it covers more than just one disease, with scientific study.

And i like that your challenging me it keeps me on my toes.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7720965 - 12/05/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just do as much research as possible. In both places. If you can, throw in a little lesson about pointed out major biases in articles. And debunk that FUCKING study that "proved" that weed increases the chance of becoming a schizophrenic.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7720986 - 12/05/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea i read about that in this article i read it was quickly debunked....because thats bull, Its now wear near close to even doing that

and most definatly about the bias man...thats one thing im trying to expose


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7721003 - 12/05/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What I said is true, you can use it with confidence.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7721013 - 12/05/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

tell them weed makes your brain bleed and that is how you get high. its tru i heard it.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7721015 - 12/05/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
What I said is true, you can use it with confidence.




I planed on it man thanks :smile:


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: badchad]
    #7721093 - 12/05/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
So, when you say something like:

"Studies are proving it's a neuron protector"

Have you ever read a scientific study (e.g. looked it up on pubmed), or is that just something you heard.

If I were a student I would say: "What studies?, can you show me those and how they were done?", or would you simply link me to a NORML page with that phrase in it?




here's a few. There's actually been research that shows marijuana does indeed have a neuro-protective effect and is especially helpful when combined with MDMA as it lessens the damage it (MDMA) does. But I cant find the exact study right now and dont feel like digging for it.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/GeneralNeurology/tb/1934
http://www.springerlink.com/content/rr542v216q821176/


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7722608 - 12/06/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I never said THC causes cancer. Smoking anything can cause cancer. You smoke a tree long enough it can cause cancer. Thats not to say you WILL get cancer just like you may not get it from smoking cigs you may also get it from smoking anything. Dont let pot head THC freaks tell you otherwise. Its not the THC that causes it, its the smoke itself.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Shroomism]
    #7723189 - 12/06/07 05:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Shroomism said:

here's a few. There's actually been research that shows marijuana does indeed have a neuro-protective effect and is especially helpful when combined with MDMA as it lessens the damage it (MDMA) does. But I cant find the exact study right now and dont feel like digging for it.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/GeneralNeurology/tb/1934
http://www.springerlink.com/content/rr542v216q821176/




And this is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about.

If you actually find the above study, the investigators used a compound called HU-210, which is a synthetic cannabinoid. Other than binding to cannabinoid receptors, there is absolutely no evidence that it acts in any way similar to marijuana. The researchers gave an uncharacterized dose to rats, and found some neurogenesis.

This is a far cry from the blanket statement "marijuana promotes neuronal growth". However, because of the pro-marijuana bias of a lot of organizations, this is their interpretation.

This is why citing erowid.org as a "source" in a classroom setting is not a good thing to do, and would be completely unacceptable in a non-highschool level of class.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7723294 - 12/06/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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there isnt any of that artifical shit in pot.




Any of what artificial shit. You mean chemicals? what sort of pot do you smoke? i think it is safe to say that most pot is grown using chemicals these days.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Artnotwar]
    #7723320 - 12/06/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can grow pot organically if you really wanted.. after you grow a plant you flush the fertilizer out, so you don't smoke it.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Artnotwar]
    #7723321 - 12/06/07 07:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I believe pot is a gateway drug, but not for the reasons society lists it as so. They say once you smoke weed you need better & harder drugs to get "a fix (hahaha)", but that is far from reality.

In actuality, most people who start smoking weed and then move on up the drug-ladder do so because they've been recently introduced to the drug culture - and who doesn't like the drug culture!


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: memes]
    #7723325 - 12/06/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Actually most people that do hard drugs drank alcohol LONG before they even tried pot, therefor alcohol is more of a gateway drug. There's no logic behind the "gateway" shit other than then the scare tactics of DARE, how are you going to say that weed makes you try different drugs. I know so many people who will only smoke pot.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7723335 - 12/06/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You can grow pot organically if you really wanted.. after you grow a plant you flush the fertilizer out, so you don't smoke it.




no traces of chemichals?


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7723338 - 12/06/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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How it DOESN'T kill your brain cells
it doesn't cause cancer
studies are proving its a neuron protector
It only effects your memory when your on it, so it doesn't damage your brain.
How it helps prevent some diseases, like mad cow disease etc.
also its helps prevent stroke.




that's just reversed propaganda, the way you want it to bring to them.

smoking is bad and can cause cancer, also pot smoking.

If you want to be honest and give a GOOD class, so that your teachter can be proud of you, don't just start promoting weed like you're planning too.
Educate about both sides: positive sides like that it can be used in medicine, AND negative sides, like smoking is bad for you, that it makes you a lazy couch potato is you smoke a lot (big chance).

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It only effects your memory when your on it, so it doesn't damage your brain.



it also effects your memory to days after, also your concentration! that doens't mean it damaged your brain since you'll be back to full capacity after not smoking anymore for a while, but it has negative effects.

please read up on both negative and positive sides :thumbup:


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7723394 - 12/06/07 07:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The reason that cigarettes cause cancer is because of the radiation, not from "carcinogens".



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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: TheCow]
    #7723451 - 12/06/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

personally i'd leave out the gateway drug part. i think that's a very subjective point. For me personally it was a gateway drug. i smoked pot, then started doing research on it, to see how bad it really was, found out it wasn't all that bad for you. before i had tried it, i had believed that you hallucinate from smoking it.

anyway was pretty young at that stage, was just about to head into high school. anyway did my research on how bad it actually was, found out it wasn't that bad. read into lsd and mushrooms because they were what i expected from weed at first. when i was around 16/17 then i decided i was mature enough and ready for the experience, and bought shrooms. and then binged on salvia etc.

it wasn't necessarily a bad gateway. i am alright in the head, and have cut down heavily on my druig intake. but it was still a gateway for me. didnt drink alcohol until i was 17.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7723461 - 12/06/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

weeed is full of carcinogens. carcinogens cause cancer.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: TheCow]
    #7723685 - 12/06/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
The reason that cigarettes cause cancer is because of the radiation, not from "carcinogens".



:wtf: ?




Agreed.... anything that causes cancer is technically a carcinogen


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: stefan]
    #7723793 - 12/06/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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How it DOESN'T kill your brain cells
it doesn't cause cancer
studies are proving its a neuron protector
It only effects your memory when your on it, so it doesn't damage your brain.
How it helps prevent some diseases, like mad cow disease etc.
also its helps prevent stroke.




that's just reversed propaganda, the way you want it to bring to them.

smoking is bad and can cause cancer, also pot smoking.

If you want to be honest and give a GOOD class, so that your teachter can be proud of you, don't just start promoting weed like you're planning too.
Educate about both sides: positive sides like that it can be used in medicine, AND negative sides, like smoking is bad for you, that it makes you a lazy couch potato is you smoke a lot (big chance).

Quote:

It only effects your memory when your on it, so it doesn't damage your brain.



it also effects your memory to days after, also your concentration! that doens't mean it damaged your brain since you'll be back to full capacity after not smoking anymore for a while, but it has negative effects.

please read up on both negative and positive sides :thumbup:





Ah yes  i completely agree, i was going to mention that it does make you lazy and all the things you mentioned. As much as i would like too advocate pot, it would be the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do. I just want to spread the facts, and not what the text book says about it.
It makes me terribly sad when i ask people who dont smoke it what they know about the drug and the reply Ive gotten back from the people Ive asked is "nothing...just that its bad." i want to get rid of this shroud of ignorance.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: TheCow]
    #7724062 - 12/06/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
The reason that cigarettes cause cancer is because of the radiation, not from "carcinogens".



:wtf: ?




I agree. This statement alone is enough to ruin any credibility that Caribou_Lou had. 

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car·cin·o·gen –noun Pathology.
any substance or agent that tends to produce a cancer.




The radioactive isotopes found in all smoke are, as a matter of fact, potential carcinogens.


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Re: I get to teach my class !!! [Re: Scar]
    #7724081 - 12/06/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you are going to be making these claims that it can solve all these problems, make sure you have a nice amount of sources to back it up. And make sure to outline the negative effects of Marijuana so you don't look like a total biased asshole. And definitely get high beforehand.


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