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Prisoner#1 said: you guys sure are short sighted, only looking at the atlantic slave trade, africans have kept slaves as long as theres been civilization there
that's true. even so, the slave trade that the europeans (esp. the british) were involved in was devastating to west and central africa. i was responding to the argument that african american ancestors of slaves are better off than current africans... actually, on average, they are considerably better off, but largely because of how much the european powers fucked the continent while and after exporting slaves
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RipVanWinkle said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it weren't for the slave trade, black people would almost all still be in Africa with AIDs and living in poverty?
Not that I'm saying Slavery was a good thing, it was horrible, but it's something to think about.
Im saying if we didnt go out there and get abunch of monkeys and take em back here wed have nothing to worry about then would we?...what did blacks come here to do any good in America other then get free rights?
that was off topic...my whole part of this subject was why do people get so angry off the word nigger...be sides we were slaves first to our own kind....+ we made up the damn word why cant we fuckn say it
Don't get me wrong blacks are cool...I dont have a problem with it but the niggers I do...what I wrote above is what I was tought...please tell me more of what you think...
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Im saying if we didnt go out there and get abunch of monkeys and take em back here wed have nothing to worry about then would we?...
Are you suggesting that all of America's problems are caused by black people? If not, what problems specifically do you attribute to black people
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what did blacks come here to do any good in America other then get free rights?
Actually, blacks were brought here against their will, and had to struggle against unimaginable bigotry and oppressive laws to have any kind of rights whatsoever.
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that was off topic...my whole part of this subject was why do people get so angry off the word nigger...be sides we were slaves first to our own kind....+ we made up the damn word why cant we fuckn say it
I would imagine people get angry because the word was used by white people to insult black people. In the time when the word originated, white people in America were a lot better off than black people, and were actively involved in enslaving black people, so the word "nigger" just added insult to injury. That's reason enough for white people not to say it, even jokingly.
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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bug said: even so, the slave trade that the europeans (esp. the british) were involved in was devastating to west and central africa.
any more devastating than keeping the entire hebrew race as slaves for more than 1000 years?
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they are considerably better off, but largely because of how much the european powers fucked the continent while and after exporting slaves
would they have been better off if africa had been left alone? would we have aids and all the shit mentioned in other posts?
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dumbfounded1600 said: Don't get me wrong blacks are cool...I dont have a problem with it but the niggers I do...
like I said in OTD, you're a racist whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, I've only ever seen racists make these threads
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any more devastating than keeping the entire hebrew race as slaves for more than 1000 years?
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would they have been better off if africa had been left alone? would we have aids and all the shit mentioned in other posts?
we can only speculate, but i think that african peoples on the whole would be better off today minus all of the west's introduction of disease, exploitation of resources, and interference in politics, yes. 'better off' in a culturally relative sense - by those peoples' own standards, not the western ideal
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Prisoner#1 said: like I said in OTD, you're a racist whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, I've only ever seen racists make these threads
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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any more devastating than keeping the entire hebrew race as slaves for more than 1000 years?
no
so we can conclude from this discussion that black people owe the jews (to be refered to in the future as "the white devil") another 600 years of servitude.
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so we can conclude from this discussion that black people owe the jews (to be refered to in the future as "the white devil") another 600 years of servitude.
i see what you're saying, but i'm not saying anything about repayment of historical debt. i think everyone owes it to everyone to see and respect our common nature as sentient beings, and to be culturally relative
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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bug said: respect our common nature as sentient beings
this message is about 1700 years late coming
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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bug said: i think everyone owes it to everyone to see and respect our common nature as sentient beings, and to be culturally relative
never a truer word spoken
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bug said: respect our common nature as sentient beings
this message is about 1700 years late coming
maybe you should start some sort of humanity suffering repayment scheme where you right the wrongs by inflicting 1700 years worth of pain on the genetic offspring of wrong-doers
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bug said: respect our common nature as sentient beings
this message is about 1700 years late coming
my bad, i had some shit to take care of
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: sam420]
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sam420 said: maybe you should start some sort of humanity suffering repayment scheme where you right the wrongs by inflicting 1700 years worth of pain on the genetic offspring of wrong-doers
I'd love to but my vision of repayment involves me possessing nukes and a sunny spring morning to use them
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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So you guys are saying that if we left the Africans to themselves, absolutely NO OTHER CULTURES would have visited their country bringing disease, despite the theory it would have flourished?
And just because it flourished doesn't mean it wouldn't have been depleted of the sources, etc... I mean look at the Middle East.
The real question should be, why do most (not all, but most) black people act like the stereotypical violent, poor, uneducated, gang-banging, "niggers"?
I once asked a black friend I have why she spoke like she was uneducated and why she liked gangster rap, and she said she was proud of her heritage. I really didn't want to get into the conversation more, as I felt I was rude enough asking her that, but why would you want to "preserve" the negative characteristics? Why do they want to speak as if they don't have an education? Why do they want to dress in fashions that originated from prison clothes? Why are rappers like 50 Cent heroes to black children instead Dr Martin Luther King or Malcolm X? All black children hear is the white devil. How their great-great-great-great-great grand daddy was a slave. They are teaching hatred towards whites- meanwhile whites are teaching their children to be tolerant of all races.
Someone in this thread asked "why is it us vs them"?
I don't know, ask them. They segregate themselves. At my job all the black people sit together, talk to each other, and are flat out RUDE to white people when we try to talk to them... one black girl even made a comment to another black girl about how she had no-one to sit by in class because she was the only "sister" in the class. They have this instilled paranoia about white people, which I feel is extremely racist.
I'm not denying there are white supremacists, but a very small percentage of white people are white supremacists. In contrast- a very large percentage of black people are the stereotype. And the black people who do deviate from the stereotype are outcasts in the black culture. The other blacks make fun of them and accuse them of trying to be white.
anyway, a thread like this gets made about every two weeks, and the racist flames fly. so I'm not sure why I even took time to voice my opinion, as it'll probably get me labeled racist.
That's funny, a racist who's gay, lives with a Muslim of Middle Eastern decent, and has a wide spectrum of friends of creeds and color.
so whatever. let the quoting of my post sentence-by-sentence with some debate commence.
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StonedShroom said: So you guys are saying that if we left the Africans to themselves, absolutely NO OTHER CULTURES would have visited their country bringing disease, despite the theory it would have flourished?
i personally was arguing solely from an 'if left to their own devices' standpoint, not arguing about the likelihood that that is possible in a world of aggressive materialist societies. i agree that someone else would have fucked it up, but it's a poor excuse. non-natives i met in hawaii often said about the hawaiian islands, 'the japanese would've fucked it up if we hadn't'. great, so that gives us the right to destroy their system of agriculture and their way of life, bring in foreign plants and animals that destroy their ecosystem, and turn the natives into paupers. 'if we hadn't, someone else would've!' sounds pretty pre-schoolish to me
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The real question should be, why do most (not all, but most) black people act like the stereotypical violent, poor, uneducated, gang-banging, "niggers"?
hmm... this is a big generalization that can't be demonstrated. gang members don't need to act poor and uneducated because most of them are. the violence and all of the negatives result from poor education, poor standards of living, and poor role models, imo, not the inherent flaws of an ethnicity of people
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Re: The Word Nigger [Re: Lion]
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this is a big generalization that can't be demonstrated. gang members don't need to act poor and uneducated because most of them are.
exactly, because they ARE uneducated. There are white people who are uneducated and violent, but whites don't act or glamorize that way of life. There are several black people who are educated and make decent money, but they still act like they aren't. why?
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