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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7720627 - 12/05/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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thats the beauty of it, you can shoot whatever you damn well feel like, its liberating... AMERICA




with that logic, we might as well just make nuclear weapons available to the public too, that would be liberating right? we can blow up whatever we damn well feel like!




Well the fact that they are available is bad enough, America's problem isn't just guns it's the availability of guns, not to mention the people living here, I have an assault rifle but I'm not gonna shoot anybody unless it's to save my own ass, people who lived below me got robbed I'm not gonna let that happen while I'm here.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: BrAiN]
    #7720672 - 12/05/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think I had a clairvoyent dream about this.. last night I woke up at 4:30 AM after I had a nightmare of a guy starting to shoot people right out in the open and then I got shot in the head.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7720680 - 12/05/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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people who lived below me got robbed I'm not gonna let that happen while I'm here.




what, so you could be like that Texan murderer in the news recently that gunned down two burglars in cold blood for robbing his neighbours? Is there no possible situation you can imagine being in, in which you are desperate and hopeless enough to rob somebody? Have you ever struggled with drug addiction? Bringing up children on benefits? Would you even consider a criminal's motives before opening fire? Is the crime worth the death sentence? Maybe its just social cleansing? Are you morally superior because you reside in a majority?

I agree that the availability of guns is the problem, but think about it: if you get robbed at gunpoint, the robber is unlikely to fire if you cooperate- what is lost? Possessions. If you're armed too... well... one of you is likely going to die.

Perhaps the criminal in question is an evil, fucked up person who truly deserves to die. Perhaps he has a daughter. Does she deserve to grow up without a father?

Or perhaps I'm just a pussy. Maybe I don't understand- I'm not on the same wavelength. I don't understand because I've never feared for my life. I genuinely don't know.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: sam420]
    #7720696 - 12/05/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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People beat the shit out of each other all the time and then they get up and carry on. Cowards kill people over property. What the fuck man, is life really that cheap to you




What the HELL are you talking about? If someone breaks into my house with a gun or a knife, you think my PROPERTY is what I'm going to be protecting?

Fuck that. I'm going to shoot his ass so he doesn't kill me or rape my fiance. If someone breaks into my house with a deadly weapon, my laptop or my SLR camera are going to be the last thing on my mind.

I'm not talking about having everyone in America strapped 24-7. I'm just talking about having a gun in your home (any maybe your car as Ive had one friend raped at gunpoint in her OWN vehicle) and another friend carjacked at gunpoint, who could have easily been murdered. Just for the sake of self defense.

The BAD GUYS.. the burglars, the rapists are ALWAYS GOING to have guns. If you outlawed them in America they'd just get them from people who shipped 'em from overseas and if you make em illegal and guess what? The bad guys still have them and law abiding citizens won't.... what's to keep them then from breaking into everyone's homes now that they know that you have no way of defending yourself?

I don't personally own a gun and I don't plan on buying one... but if I moved into a rough area of DC or Baltimore close to where I live, I'd like to know that I have the right to as DC and Baltimore are two of the most dangerous cities in America.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7720703 - 12/05/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

adrug's alive! I just saw her online.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: sam420]
    #7720710 - 12/05/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what, so you could be like that Texan murderer in the news recently that gunned down two burglars in cold blood for robbing his neighbours?




I really don't think that's at all what he's getting at.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7720718 - 12/05/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

being a drug addict doesn't justify robbing people.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7720748 - 12/05/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed, if folks start placing responsibility on the drug instead of themselves, we end up with some of the drug laws we have now.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: sam420]
    #7720771 - 12/05/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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people who lived below me got robbed I'm not gonna let that happen while I'm here.




what, so you could be like that Texan murderer in the news recently that gunned down two burglars in cold blood for robbing his neighbours? Is there no possible situation you can imagine being in, in which you are desperate and hopeless enough to rob somebody? Have you ever struggled with drug addiction? Bringing up children on benefits? Would you even consider a criminal's motives before opening fire? Is the crime worth the death sentence? Maybe its just social cleansing? Are you morally superior because you reside in a majority?

I agree that the availability of guns is the problem, but think about it: if you get robbed at gunpoint, the robber is unlikely to fire if you cooperate- what is lost? Possessions. If you're armed too... well... one of you is likely going to die.

Perhaps the criminal in question is an evil, fucked up person who truly deserves to die. Perhaps he has a daughter. Does she deserve to grow up without a father?

Or perhaps I'm just a pussy. Maybe I don't understand- I'm not on the same wavelength. I don't understand because I've never feared for my life. I genuinely don't know.




Around here people get shot over a parking space goddamn right I'm gonna shoot someone, I'll kill them before they kill me. I could give a fuck less about what the person breaking into my place is going through, why should I? I worked for what I got, I work every day, fuck them I hate thieves, If someone put a gun to me I would take my chances on getting shot cause they are gonna shoot you or they aren't, it doesn't matter if you give them what they want they will still shoot you thats the unfortunate life we live.

There are plenty of people around here who don't go to jail for shooting people who are trying to rob them. I wouldn't shoot and un armed person, but I will point my gun at them till they make their move, you'd be surprised what could happen if you take a stand. I'm not saying the out come will be good, but you can't just let people rob you then they will think hey this guy won't do anything lets do it again and you become a target.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: sam420]
    #7720781 - 12/05/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what, so you could be like that Texan murderer in the news recently that gunned down two burglars in cold blood for robbing his neighbours? Is there no possible situation you can imagine being in, in which you are desperate and hopeless enough to rob somebody? Have you ever struggled with drug addiction? Bringing up children on benefits? Would you even consider a criminal's motives before opening fire? Is the crime worth the death sentence? Maybe its just social cleansing? Are you morally superior because you reside in a majority?





You underestimate the appeal of the real American Dream: shooting bad guys. It's a wondrous fantasy much more compelling than your silly logic or compassion. Motives? A criminal is a criminal -- potheads, double-parkers and rapists alike. They must be stopped! It is the duty of every American to gun down things they don't approve of. America will always be safe, because around every corner, in every building, there is someone with a gun.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7720806 - 12/05/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You know what.  I can't even comment and I'm sorry that I did.  Your world is completely different to mine. COMPLETELY different.  I have never, and probably will never, experience these things, and of this I am truly appreciative.

Good luck with your bad guys :frown:


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: sam420]
    #7720838 - 12/05/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I kill people all the time. It is pretty much expected here. It is a good hobby too and keeps the mind sharp planning what to do with the body and what not and taking all soorts of precautions.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7720981 - 12/05/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You underestimate the appeal of the real American Dream: shooting bad guys. It's a wondrous fantasy much more compelling than your silly logic or compassion. Motives? A criminal is a criminal -- potheads, double-parkers and rapists alike. They must be stopped! It is the duty of every American to gun down things they don't approve of. America will always be safe, because around every corner, in every building, there is someone with a gun.




Wow, thats the dumbest fucking thing I've read all week.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: BrAiN]
    #7721030 - 12/05/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i am curious as to this man's medical history. homicidal ideation is a listed side-effect of anti-depressants after all; take Effexor for example.

but of course i do not expect that they will be made public, and i doubt that many people will ever wonder whether this guy's perscription drug use could have anything to do with his violent behavior.

the medical records of the columbine shooters are still sealed to this day..

well, life goes on.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7721067 - 12/05/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i am curious as to this man's medical history. homicidal ideation is a listed side-effect of anti-depressants, take Effexor for example.

but of course i do not expect that they will be made public. the medical records of the columbine shooters are still sealed to this day..

well, life goes on.




Yeah too often people with medical problems are shoved out on their ass because they can't afford the help they need or they are turned away for reasons that should not be, then this happens. Why is it in America we have to pay to be healthy? I shouldn't end up $100,000 in debt because of an accident or because I'm doing the right thing by seeking much needed help.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7721122 - 12/05/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What a douche... "im gonna be so super famous for a day and shoot some innocent people! Go me! I am so hardcore"

I think everyone should be able to carry weapons 24/7 - how cool would it be to walk around town strapped with a ak47, now thats living :laugh:


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7721167 - 12/05/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Another interesting case showing the correlation between homicidal tendencies and SSRIs is the case of Texas mother Andrea Yates who drowned her five children in 2004. She was taking the anti-depressant Paxil at the time.

Depending on how these drugs are taken, they can severely alter one's perception of reality and blur the lines between waking and dream consciousness.

What Andrea may have been doing was living out her worst nightmare.

There are also numerous suicide cases that show a direct involvement of serotonergic medications (such as Prozac, Sarafem, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa, Lexapro, Effexor, Serzone, Remeron, Anafranil, Fen-Phen, Redux and Meridia as well as the new atypical antipsychotics Zyprexa, Geodon, Seroquel and Abilify)

The use of these substances needs to be seriously taken into consideration when looking at any homicide we hear in the news today. The media outlets won't do this for us though. We've got to educate ourselves about it.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7721225 - 12/05/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well we can't look to the drug companies to give a shit they know what these pills can do, sometimes pumping people full of pills is the just this countries "quick solution" to a not so easy problem. Environment can play a major role on the a person. But people also have to follow the directions of what they are taking, I'm not sure I agree with all these anti-depressants some may be okay because I know people who have taken them and they say they couldn't live with out them others say they make them feel weird and don't like them.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? [Re: sam420]
    #7721231 - 12/05/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You know what.  I can't even comment and I'm sorry that I did.  Your world is completely different to mine. COMPLETELY different.  I have never, and probably will never, experience these things, and of this I am truly appreciative.

Good luck with your bad guys :frown:




I'm just saying.. America can be fucked up in some spots and you might NEED a gun for home security. I couldn't give a shit about my stuff... it's the PEOPLE in my house that need protection. You never know what's gonna happen.

One day back in my college dorm I went to bed around 3am, woke up and rememberd to lock my door. Good thing to.. cuz around 3:30am some kid flipped out down the hallway from me, stabbed his buddy in the neck and went around the hall looking for unlocked doors. I woke up in the morning, looked a few doors down and say blood smeared all over the hellway walls.

You never know when a freak is gonna flip our, or when you'll run into a terrorist or what.. I'd rather NOT DIE when a freak situation like this happens. If you have a gun for home protection... you've got defense.


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Re: ADRUG u alive? Omaha Shooting [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7721268 - 12/05/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah every person responds differently to a drug. Some can handle them. Others, well, go bonkers. Awareness really is key.

But my point is that we consider the potential involvement of any SSRI when we examine unfortunate human tragedies such as the one that happened today. Given the documentation of these substances, it can and should no longer be excluded from the bigger picture.


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