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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Shroomism]
    #7720031 - 12/05/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I have read the bill. I have also read the US Constitution, which has been shat on time and time again.

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`(1) FINAL REPORT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report including--

`(i) its findings and conclusions;

`(ii) legislative recommendations for--

`(I) immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

`(II) measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States; and

`(iii) any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes.




Which means, basically whatever they want it to mean.




Or apparently YOU can interpret it to mean whatever backs up your current belief structure. Convenient, huh?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720035 - 12/05/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

couple of things,
1, Giving someone a Bible on the street should be considered terrorism.
2, Whoever said, "it clearly states it will not violate civil rights", or something like that. Really? Oh good. I was worried there for a minute until I saw the part where it wont be bad because it said so. Thats like the Christians who say god exists because the bible tells them so, and the bible is the word of god, so it must be true. (yes I have heard this MANY times.)
3, I really don't think America is falling into a dictatorship or anything, but I am becoming less and less convinced. The more I find out about shit they don't tell you on CNN or Fox News, the more I think to myself, they didn't just "Overlook" that. The "North American Union", the "Real ID Act", and "Blackwater", that shit is fucked. Wanna see what bush looks like when you ask him about "Blackwater"?
He looks like this.
Fucking tard.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7720038 - 12/05/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The above analysis is a little over the top, but the law is really bad.

I could easily see some of my friends being designated as "terrorists" by this committee for their activism. My friends are not bad people but they often use unconventional means to disagree with those in power.

Since it passed the house 405 to 6 the other day, its time to call your senators.

I just called both mine. Both people who answered the phone had heard all about the bill. Senator Boxer's rep was really cool, she told me that the bill is still in committee. I let her know to vote against it should the bill escape the committee. I also called senator feinstien, she is much more evil and I could tell that the staffer who answered the phone was for the bill. I took great pleasure in asking him to tell senator feinstein in the strongest possible terms to vote against the bill.

The next thing that needs to be done is to find out what committee this is that is considering the bill, and who is on that committee. Residents in those states need to know that they are in a unique position to be able to call up the committee members and maybe get it killed before it reaches the floor, which is a dangerous place for a bill that just passed the house 405 to 6.

Here are a list of the senators and the numbers to call:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720039 - 12/05/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A commission studying and researching terrorism is not going to be able to violate your constitutional rights. I'm getting kind of sick of repeating it since some people have reading comprehension problems, but the commission has nothing to do with detaining or prosecuting terrorists.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7720044 - 12/05/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
The above analysis is a little over the top, but the law is really bad.

I could easily see some of my friends being designated as "terrorists" by this committee for their activism. My friends are not bad people but they often use unconventional means to disagree with those in power.

Since it passed the house 405 to 6 the other day, its time to call your senators.

I just called both mine. Both people who answered the phone had heard all about the bill. Senator Boxer's rep was really cool, she told me that the bill is still in committee. I let her know to vote against it should the bill escape the committee. I also called senator feinstien, she is much more evil and I could tell that the staffer who answered the phone was for the bill. I took great pleasure in asking him to tell senator feinstein in the strongest possible terms to vote against the bill.

The next thing that needs to be done is to find out what committee this is that is considering the bill, and who is on that committee. Residents in those states need to know that they are in a unique position to be able to call up the committee members and maybe get it killed before it reaches the floor, which is a dangerous place for a bill that just passed the house 405 to 6.





After reading the bill, what was the part of it that specifically worried you the most? This seams like a pretty tame bill to me.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720055 - 12/05/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Redstorm is a government spy.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720060 - 12/05/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't appreciate that sort of talk.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720064 - 12/05/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> After reading the bill, what was the part of it that specifically worried you the most? This seams like a pretty tame bill to me.

The last thing we need is any new commissions. The government already spends too much money and should be smaller, not larger. Especially where terrorism is concerned.

I am concerned that they would be unable to find any real terrorists and focus instead on US citizens who do not agree with the government (forcefully), but do not intend harm to anyone.

Home grown terrorists started this country, its a good thing that England did not have the "law enforcement tools" necessary to nip it in the bud.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: robbyberto]
    #7720071 - 12/05/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It won't pass and Naomi Wolf is an idiot.




Why do you say that? To me she deserves the adjectives informed and courageous. What arguments do you have against the idea that definite parallels can be drawn between modern America and Fascist regimes of the past?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720086 - 12/05/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh, and the part about the terrorists, and those...whaddaya call ems, er oh yeah, the terrorists, you know the one that are all blowing shit up everywhere? The ones from Iraq. With all the brown skin.
Oh and the part where AMERICANS become the terrorists. Because when we went to Iraq, there were no WMDs, and there were no terrorists, so now we have to look here.

P.S. Am I the only one wondering why everyones not PISSED there were no terrorists or WMDs there? Why the fuck are we at war? I believed that shit Sphincter Powell was saying. Now that we know it was horse shit, why are we still over there?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720094 - 12/05/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Bush administration is slowly disintegrating, we'll have a new administration with all new problems to deal with soon, this stuff is old.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720112 - 12/05/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, and also the part where one of the main focuses of the bill is to watch my internet. You can't see the news on the news, cause they only show you football player trials, and wild fires. So you turn to the interweb. There you find people going...WTF? why had I never heard about this on Fox News?
Now, you will soon not be able to say what you want on the Internets, and we will all be fucked. Baby steps, soon were china.
(Not all because of this ONE bill, but it does make it a fuck load easier to get there.)


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720124 - 12/05/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also, if there is another "National Emergency" before the elections, and Bush declares Martial Law. I will be convinced, and I'm moving to Tahiti. Shit, I might do that anyway...Sounds kinda nice.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Shroomism]
    #7720241 - 12/05/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What I find most funny though, is that technically under this bill... the US government itself 'should' be the largest target for their own program.




:rofl:


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Muffin]
    #7720276 - 12/05/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> Why the fuck are we at war?

Every war starts with a silly excuse to fight by someone who has something to gain by the war.

Its a rather selfish way to make a buck, but unfortunately is effective.

When the patriot act was still proposed legislation I clicked on some web forms, joined the aclu and called my senators, but I wish I had done more.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: memes]
    #7720288 - 12/05/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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meams said:
not convincing me. there's no way a bill that violates our most primary right would pass in the house with such a one-sided vote:

it must not be as bad as your making it out to be.




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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: WScott]
    #7720451 - 12/05/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I saw her on The Colbert Report (yeah I know) and she just didn't come across with any compelling arguments. She just made vein comparisons to former fascist states.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: robbyberto]
    #7720630 - 12/05/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't watched her on Colbert yet, but the lecture she gave was very to the point (the one linked in the original posters initial post). While I am not convinced that America will ever reach a 'V for Vendetta' state, it isn't impossible. Fascist regimes in the past didn't have the internet to deal with.. but give them enough time and growing room (which the masses seemingly love to do, ignorantly or otherwise) and they'll figure a way around it.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7720648 - 12/05/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7732227 - 12/08/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Remarks on Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, HR 1955

5 December 2007

Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

Madame Speaker, I regret that I was unavoidably out of town on October 23, 2007, when a vote was taken on HR 1955, the Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. Had I been able to vote, I would have voted against this misguided and dangerous piece of legislation. This legislation focuses the weight of the US government inward toward its own citizens under the guise of protecting us against �violent radicalization.�

I would like to note that this legislation was brought to the floor for a vote under suspension of regular order. These so-called �suspension� bills are meant to be non-controversial, thereby negating the need for the more complete and open debate allowed under regular order. It is difficult for me to believe that none of my colleagues in Congress view HR 1955, with its troubling civil liberties implications, as �non-controversial.ᦙ3;

There are many causes for concern in HR 1955. The legislation specifically singles out the Internet for �facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process� in the United States. Such language may well be the first step toward US government regulation of what we are allowed to access on the Internet. Are we, for our own good, to be subjected to the kind of governmental control of the Internet that we see in unfree societies? This bill certainly sets us on that course.

This seems to be an unwise and dangerous solution in search of a real problem. Previous acts of ideologically-motivated violence, though rare, have been resolved successfully using law enforcement techniques, existing laws against violence, and our court system. Even if there were a surge of �violent radicalization� -- a claim for which there is no evidence -- there is no reason to believe that our criminal justice system is so flawed and weak as to be incapable of trying and punishing those who perpetrate violent acts.

This legislation will set up a new government bureaucracy to monitor and further study the as-yet undemonstrated pressing problem of homegrown terrorism and radicalization. It will no doubt prove to be another bureaucracy that artificially inflates problems so as to guarantee its future existence and funding. But it may do so at great further expense to our civil liberties. What disturbs me most about this legislation is that it leaves the door wide open for the broadest definition of what constitutes �radicalization.� Could otherwise non-violent anti-tax, antiwar, or anti-abortion groups fall under the watchful eye of this new government commission? Assurances otherwise in this legislation are unconvincing.

In addition, this legislation will create a Department of Homeland Security-established university-based body to further study radicalization and to �contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.� I wonder whether this is really a legitimate role for institutes of higher learning in a free society.

Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed. It is yet another attack on our Constitutionally-protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life.

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