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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7719953 - 12/05/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't do drugs and my record is clean. IT has nothing to do with paranoia that makes me reject the original post, but because it's bullshit.




I think these posts are good though...because shit like this just slides by most americans without them even hearing about it. Wasn't the patriot act passed at some obscure time and day, with but a small percentage of the congress actually present? I'm grateful at least some of us are still vigilant.




I don't mind them either, but I think it's important to not just accept things like this at face value, just as you shouldn't accept things from the gov't at face value.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719962 - 12/05/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

like their authority? :justdontknow:


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719964 - 12/05/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Although, whenever I see the name "Naomi Wolf" in a post I want to start using drugs.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719967 - 12/05/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No, I really don't. I used to, but kind of grew out of it for some reason. When I started posting here I got to know some of the people here and stuck around for the community even after I stopped.

There are many people who don't use drugs here.




Would you oppose trying new drugs that maybe you wouldn't grow out of?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7719975 - 12/05/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No, I really don't. I used to, but kind of grew out of it for some reason. When I started posting here I got to know some of the people here and stuck around for the community even after I stopped.

There are many people who don't use drugs here.




Would you oppose trying new drugs that maybe you wouldn't grow out of?



uh, yeah. it be teh heroin


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7719977 - 12/05/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've tried pretty much everything. I don't have anything against drugs, but I don't have the time or the type of lifestyle for them to fit in right now.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719978 - 12/05/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So.. what is it that makes you think this bill is so harmless?
Everything about it screams police state at me.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719981 - 12/05/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I've tried pretty much everything. I don't have anything against drugs, but I don't have the time or the type of lifestyle for them to fit in right now.




Ah I see, have you tried mescaline? If so what'd you think of it?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7719988 - 12/05/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Shroomism]
    #7719989 - 12/05/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So.. what is it that makes you think this bill is so harmless?
Everything about it screams police state at me.




Did you even read the bill?

It says nothing about identifying, detaining, or prosecuting terrorists. If you would have read my post above, you would have seen why I believe it's harmless. All it does is create a commission which researches and identifies the roots and causes behind domestic terrorism.

I can understand being a cynic; I'm one as well. However, I can't understand you taking a stand without even reading the bill. It's just as outrageous behavior as those who accept everything the gov't tells them.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7719996 - 12/05/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I've tried pretty much everything. I don't have anything against drugs, but I don't have the time or the type of lifestyle for them to fit in right now.




Ah I see, have you tried mescaline? If so what'd you think of it?




Quite some time ago I did. Other than the discomfort it caused me physically, it was a rather interesting experience.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720003 - 12/05/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Shroomism said:
So.. what is it that makes you think this bill is so harmless?
Everything about it screams police state at me.




Did you even read the bill?

It says nothing about identifying, detaining, or prosecuting terrorists. If you would have read my post above, you would have seen why I believe it's harmless. All it does is create a commission which researches and identifies the roots and causes behind domestic terrorism.

I can understand being a cynic; I'm one as well. However, I can't understand you taking a stand without even reading the bill. It's just as outrageous behavior as those who accept everything the gov't tells them.




I don't have a strong opinion either way yet but if they did want so something like stop us speaking up against the government would they come right out and say it?

Or would they make a bill like the patriot act or a bill like this first?


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Shroomism]
    #7720004 - 12/05/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That video doesn't work for me for some reason.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7720010 - 12/05/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am not saying not to speak up against the gov't. That is every citizen's duty. You have to be smart and critical when you speak out, though. Like I said before, don't accept what an article tells you; do your own research. Read the bill and you'll see it doesn't match up with what the article says.

Edit: I totally misread what you typed. My apologies. You just have to take what you've been given. Also, doing independent research is essential. Keep your eyes open; that's all you can do.


Edited by Redstorm (12/05/07 02:57 PM)


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720014 - 12/05/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the patriot act already gave them the ability to make a police state, i wouldn't worry about anything following that one. that act already completely shit on your civil liberties


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720017 - 12/05/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Redstorm is right, all the bill does is create a center that studies the aforementioned crap, if anyone should complain about it is that its another waste of taxpayer money by creating a beauracracy that is doing something the FBI or ATF should already be doing.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720022 - 12/05/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I have read the bill. I have also read the US Constitution, which has been shat on time and time again.

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`(1) FINAL REPORT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report including--

`(i) its findings and conclusions;

`(ii) legislative recommendations for--

`(I) immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

`(II) measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States; and

`(iii) any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes.




Which means, basically whatever they want it to mean.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #7720025 - 12/05/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Or the DOD or Homeland Security.


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7720026 - 12/05/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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the patriot act already gave them the ability to make a police state, i wouldn't worry about anything following that one. that act already completely shit on your civil liberties




How have you been affected since the Patriot Act was enacted


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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720029 - 12/05/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What I find most funny though, is that technically under this bill... the US government itself 'should' be the largest target for their own program.


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