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Wolfgang

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The end of Free Speech in America
#7719662 - 12/05/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Senate Bill 1959 to Criminalize Thoughts, Blogs, Books and Free Speech Across America.
The end of Free Speech in America has arrived at our doorstep. It's a new law called the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and it is worded in a clever way that could allow the U.S. government to arrest and incarcerate any individual who speaks out against the Bush Administration, the war on Iraq, the Department of Homeland Security or any government agency (including the FDA). The law has already passed the House on a traitorous vote of 405 to 6, and it is now being considered in the Senate where a vote is imminent. All over the internet, intelligent people who care about freedom are speaking out against this extremely dangerous law: Philip Giraldi at the Huffington Post, Declan McCullagh at CNET's News.com, Kathryn Smith at OpEdNews.com, and of course Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet.com
This bill is the beginning of the end of Free Speech in America. If it passes, all the information sources you know and trust could be shut down and their authors imprisoned. NewsTarget could be taken offline and I could be arrested as a "terrorist." Jeff Rense at www.Rense.com could be labeled a "terrorist" and arrested. Byron Richards, Len Horowitz, Paul Craig Roberts, Greg Palast, Ron Paul and even Al Gore could all be arrested, silenced and incarcerated. This is not an exaggeration. It is a literal reading of the law, which you can check yourself here: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h1955_rfs.xml
The bill states:
‘...ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs...
Note that this means the "planned use of force to promote a political or social belief" would be considered an act of terrorism. This all hinges on the definition of "force," of course. Based on the loose use of logic in Washington these days, and the slippery interpretation of the meaning of words, "force" could mean:
• A grassroots campaign to barrage Congress with faxes • A non-violent street protest • A letter-writing campaign that deluges the Senate with too much mail • A sit-in protest that blocks access to a business or organization • A grassroots e-mail campaign that overloads the e-mail servers of any government department or agency
You get the idea. "Force" could be defined as practically anything. And since the "planned use of force" would be considered a criminal act of terrorism, anyone who simply thinks about a grassroots action campaign would be engaged in terrorist acts.
If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism ("...use of force to promote the individual's religious beliefs...")
If you sent a barrage of angry letters to Washington about global warming and the destruction of the environment by the U.S. military, this could also be considered an act of terrorism ("...to promote the individual's political beliefs...")
If you believe in same-sex marriage and you wrote a letter threatning a sit-in protest in front of your state's capitol building, this could also be considered an act of terrorism, even if you never carried it out! ("...planned use of force to promote a social belief...")
The United States is on the fast track to fascism, and the Congress is working right alongside this nation's traitorous leaders to criminalize any thoughts, words or speeches that disagree with current government policies regarding war, terrorism, domestic surveillance and civil liberties. Simply speaking out against the war on Iraq could soon be labeled a crime. Merely thinking thoughts against the war on Iraq could be considered a criminal act.
Must-see video: Naomi Wolf's lecture on 10 steps to fascism There's a video lecture you simply MUST watch. It's by Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America. She covers this topic with great elegance and a deep understanding of history. See her video on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
Click here to see her book on Amazon.com.
In her lecture and book, Naomi reveals the ten steps to fascist, then reveals how the United States of America is pursuing all ten! This S.1959 legislation, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, represents one of the ten steps to achieve a fascist state!
It is designed to squash all opposition to the State's ongoing march towards blatant fascism, where secret police and secret prisons dominate the law enforcement landscape, stripping U.S. citizens of all civil liberties and Constitutional protections.
Thoughtcrimes are about to become a reality in the United States of America, and Congress is pushing this through as quickly as possible so that each individual member of Congress can claim that he or she is "against terrorism." But this bill doesn't merely target terrorism: It targets anyone who speaks or even thinks thoughts against the U.S. federal government.
With this bill, the U.S. government is officially labeling the People of the United States as criminals. It is drawing a line in the sand and stating that from now on, it's the Government vs. the People.
If we don't stop this bill from becoming law, we are lost as a nation.
There is no turning back from tyranny once the government turns its own citizens into criminals, enforcing only the thoughts, ideas, words and speeches that it approves or tolerates. Everything is at stake here!
http://www.newstarget.com/022308.html
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memes
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719690 - 12/05/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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not convincing me. there's no way a bill that violates our most primary right would pass in the house with such a one-sided vote:
it must not be as bad as your making it out to be.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719691 - 12/05/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It won't pass and Naomi Wolf is an idiot.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: robbyberto]
#7719704 - 12/05/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
If you stopped someone on the street and handed them a Bible, for example, this could be considered an act of terrorism
haha... This part is interesting.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719712 - 12/05/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha, try reading your shit before you try to spread your own paranoia.
1. It clearly states it will not be used to infringe civil liberties.
2. There is very little funding put into it.
3. Its actually not even a law. Its to put funding into a committee to "study how homegrown terrorism forms."
Wow. Now we have actually learned something instead of believing all the crazy bullshit we hear, and pretending that reading a real slanted article suffices for being informed.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719741 - 12/05/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's horseshit. None of those examples could be interpreted as using force.
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Wolfgang

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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Fractal5]
#7719760 - 12/05/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Fractal5 said: Haha, try reading your shit before you try to spread your own paranoia.
1. It clearly states it will not be used to infringe civil liberties.
2. There is very little funding put into it.
3. Its actually not even a law. Its to put funding into a committee to "study how homegrown terrorism forms."
Wow. Now we have actually learned something instead of believing all the crazy bullshit we hear, and pretending that reading a real slanted article suffices for being informed.
Damn man chill out I just wanted some feedback.
This bill looks like the patriot act on steroids.
Who's gonna make sure they don't infringe on our liberties?
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719765 - 12/05/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quit fear mongering. Its overdone in this country by just about everyone.
-------------------- “People say having kids is life changing, well that doesn’t necessarily mean a good thing, does it? I could take one of my legs off. That would change my life.” -Karl Pilkington
Edited by robbyberto (12/05/07 01:58 PM)
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719766 - 12/05/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719787 - 12/05/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Wolfgang said:
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Fractal5 said: Haha, try reading your shit before you try to spread your own paranoia.
1. It clearly states it will not be used to infringe civil liberties.
2. There is very little funding put into it.
3. Its actually not even a law. Its to put funding into a committee to "study how homegrown terrorism forms."
Wow. Now we have actually learned something instead of believing all the crazy bullshit we hear, and pretending that reading a real slanted article suffices for being informed.
Damn man chill out I just wanted some feedback.
This bill looks like the patriot act on steroids.
Who's gonna make sure they don't infringe on our liberties?
Well shit dude, I have it up to -basically as high as you can point- with all the bullshit paranoia, and self created propaganda, that American hating Americans come up with these days.
I can agree some things need fixing, but seriously, what the fuck is the point of such a stupid article?
Edited by Fractal5 (12/05/07 01:59 PM)
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Redstorm
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719796 - 12/05/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, this bill is only for creating a commission that researches the causes or domestic terrorism and tries to find ways to prevent it. It says nothing about finding terrorists or prosecuting them.
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Wolfgang

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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Fractal5]
#7719799 - 12/05/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Fractal5 said:
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Wolfgang said:
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Fractal5 said: Haha, try reading your shit before you try to spread your own paranoia.
1. It clearly states it will not be used to infringe civil liberties.
2. There is very little funding put into it.
3. Its actually not even a law. Its to put funding into a committee to "study how homegrown terrorism forms."
Wow. Now we have actually learned something instead of believing all the crazy bullshit we hear, and pretending that reading a real slanted article suffices for being informed.
Damn man chill out I just wanted some feedback.
This bill looks like the patriot act on steroids.
Who's gonna make sure they don't infringe on our liberties?
Well shit dude, I have it up to -basically as high as you can point- with all the bullshit paranoia, and self created propaganda, that American hating Americans come up with these days.
I can agree some things need fixing, but seriously, what the fuck is the point of such a stupid article?
Funny I was wondering the same thing, maybe I thought it was bs too and wanted some feedback I don't see why you have to come at me like that.
You didn't even bother asking my opinion, why attack me for posting an article? That doesn't mean I believe it just beause I post it.
Edited by Wolfgang (12/05/07 02:09 PM)
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719883 - 12/05/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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get a gat, guard your farm and get ready for the end of the world
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: elflord420]
#7719918 - 12/05/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take it all in stride OP, most of these guys are paranoid as hell [probably for committing multiple felonies, but shit - who's counting ] so they don't need another reason to look over their shoulder for big brother, even though I'm fairly suspicious of them as well...Read simulacra & simulations, shit like this is how they keep us in check.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7719924 - 12/05/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My record is clean and I only do drugs very rarely.
-------------------- “People say having kids is life changing, well that doesn’t necessarily mean a good thing, does it? I could take one of my legs off. That would change my life.” -Karl Pilkington
Edited by robbyberto (12/05/07 02:40 PM)
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7719929 - 12/05/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't do drugs and my record is clean. IT has nothing to do with paranoia that makes me reject the original post, but because it's bullshit.
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Wolfgang

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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
#7719938 - 12/05/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Come on you really don't do drugs?
Why are you here then?
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Redstorm]
#7719942 - 12/05/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said: I don't do drugs and my record is clean. IT has nothing to do with paranoia that makes me reject the original post, but because it's bullshit.
I think these posts are good though...because shit like this just slides by most americans without them even hearing about it. Wasn't the patriot act passed at some obscure time and day, with but a small percentage of the congress actually present? I'm grateful at least some of us are still vigilant.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719944 - 12/05/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't do drugs either.
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Re: The end of Free Speech in America [Re: Wolfgang]
#7719945 - 12/05/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, I really don't. I used to, but kind of grew out of it for some reason. When I started posting here I got to know some of the people here and stuck around for the community even after I stopped.
There are many people who don't use drugs here.
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