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can you have too much humidity?
    #7718837 - 12/05/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a ultra sonic humidifier that i place into a closed container with a fan connected i then pipe the humid air directly in to the top of the chamber. when i reduced the air flow the vapor was much more concentated. i have been running the fogger about an hour 3 or so times a day. i did this because my cakes were too dry. now if i run the fogger it gets to the point where i can't even see the cakes when i remove the lid. my question is is the humidity too high or will they do well under these conditions?


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7719028 - 12/05/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Your best bet would be to go out and get a wall timer that can do at least 5 minute intervals. That way you can switch the ultrasonic on/off many times per hour to get the proper humidity at all times.

Having excessive fog would prevent water from evaporating off the surface of the substrate, and you would have a hard time initiating pinning. You could also get pools of water on the surface.

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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: theratatat]
    #7719050 - 12/05/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

To answer the title to the thread, mushrooms thrive in 100% humidity, so the answer is no. You can't have too much humidity.

If you're running a small terrarium, you need to get rid of the humidifier and use perlite. You'll get mid to high 90% humidity without all the water puking all over everything you'll get from an ultrasonic in a small area, where the volume of air can't possibly absorb all the water you're pumping into it.
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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7719336 - 12/05/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have tried perlite and my cake bearly flush before they start drying out my perlite is rinse properly and filled 6 inches. still nothing but weak flushes


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7719350 - 12/05/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Even at 99% humidity, your cakes will dry out. You have to mist at least a couple of times daily. That's why we roll in dry verm. The verm soaks up the water when you mist, and then slowly supplies it to the mycelium. A small substrate such as a cake will dry out very fast if you don't stay right on top of moisture control. As said, I recommend perlite humidification, especially for cakes.
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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7719401 - 12/05/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so couldn't i substitute misting with the cool mist? set the timer for once a day or so?


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7719851 - 12/05/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The evaporation process is very important to pin development. This is why its better to mist small amounts regularly. It keeps the evaporation rate even.

In otherwords misting seems unavoidable in this hobby. Unless you go with mycobags.

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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: theratatat]
    #7723914 - 12/06/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so would it be a bad idea to put the ultra sonic fogger on a timer say 5 mins twice a day or should i just manually mist them how does everyone else do it?


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7723934 - 12/06/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Automated terrariums will tend to either dry out or drown your substrate. Mist as required by hand.
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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7724240 - 12/06/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

your tech from your video didn't mention anything about misting. in fact there wasn't even a drip shield installed on it should i have one? how often should i spray?


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7724264 - 12/06/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Drip shields are obsolete and were never needed in the first place. Spray as often as needed to have optimum moisture content. The amounts will vary depending on your ambient conditions.
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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7724305 - 12/06/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i tried misting with the spray bottle but i couldn't pervent overspray getting on the mushies. i believed this to cause quite a few aborts but i may be wrong or just not doing something right.


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7724469 - 12/06/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My best flushes ever were from using a martha and hand misting 4 times a day.
I tried the ultrasonic route and gave up quickly since manual misting was fairly simple.
My cool mist and ultrasonic seemed to get things too soggy.
Tip: Dont spray directly at the cakes or trays. Finest mist setting possible.


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: Fraggin]
    #7724546 - 12/06/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So are you spraying the walls or a general up in the air and allowing it to just fall on to the cakes?


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7724555 - 12/06/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

isn't using a ultra sonic for like 30 seconds just as good as spraying? i guess i am just confused. seems to me there is a lot less likely hood of direct moisture getting on the mushrooms.


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7724588 - 12/06/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just spray in the air, letting the mist fall gently, and then fan hard for a bit to dry the droplets that fall on the shrooms


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: Nibin]
    #7724661 - 12/06/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: Fraggin]
    #7758501 - 12/14/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what is the easiest set up for casings? I have a ultra sonic humidifier.


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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7758628 - 12/14/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As said repeatedly, use misting. I'll add to throw away that ultrasonic.

You can mist mushrooms. You can mist the casing layer directly to moisturize it. In fact, you can put your thumb over a garden hose and blast your mushrooms and they'll do fine(slight exaggeration) as long as you don't seal them up in a closed terrarium while wet. Mist, and then increase air exchange until the visible moisture on the fruits themselves has dried or been absorbed.
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Re: can you have too much humidity? [Re: armyabe]
    #7758645 - 12/14/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what is the easiest set up for casings? I have a ultra sonic humidifier.




Wow.. thanks for letting us know.. we didn't get that the last 900 times you mentioned it...


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