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The Shit We Eat
    #7717437 - 12/04/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is it just me or does anyone elses mind boggle when you try to conceive of some of the toxic shit we "civilized" humans eat? Especially in western culture. I'm including myself in this of course, I eat about as much crap as anyone, even though I know better. Sometimes it's all there is.

First you have to consider the denatured-nature of almost all processed foods. They take grains and strip it of all the healthy shit, all the fiber, all the vitamins, bleach it.. mix it with some preservatives and refined sugars and call it bread. Even on your fruits and vegetables and shit you have to be worried about pesticides out the ass (I think I read somewhere the average human is eating a -shitton- of pesticides per year, I forgot the exact number.. but it wasn't good). And that's just for the people who actually even eat fruits and vegetables. Most people just go to mcdonalds and dont even worry about it. Which, let's not even get into that. Virtually everything that's called "food" at the grocery store or wherever, is loaded with either refined sugars, hydrogenated oils, 'refined' flours, and it lacking fiber, healthy fats and cholesterol, or whole grains.. and most is lacking any sort of nutritional content whatsoever.

And then we wonder why we are the fattest nation on Earth.. and have these huge epidemics of degenerative disease and illnesses. (90% of which stem from terrible, terrible, diets.)
And what's the answer? Pills. Lots and lots of pills.

It's actually a pretty ingenious system if you think about it. Keep people in a perpetual state of sickness by denying their bodies the basic life force from whole, natural foods. Fill their denatured food with carcinogens and toxins and other things which are poisonous to the human body and psyche. Then the pharmaceutical industry will never run out of business. Hell, we could even invent new diseases.

I know there are options but to actually eat healthy in this system can be somewhat of a challenge. You really only have two options.. grow your own food or pay out the ass for it. (Or pay Farmer Joe down the road... if you are lucky enough to have a farmer Joe living down the road)
Which brings me to my next point.. why is "natural" food generally more expensive than the adulterated shit..shouldn't it be the other way around??


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717461 - 12/04/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I completely agree with you
I constantly think in my head how fucked up our culture is compared to the history of humans
the poor must eat cheap, usually not the healthiest food and I tend to see more financially strained people to be fat
and the people who have more money are the only ones who can afford to eat healthy
compared to way back when, when being fat was a sign you were well off and all food was natural

the past few months I have been putting horrible food in my body. due to school, being poor, and not having time
usually I make an effort and put the time + money into healthier choices. hell I work at whole foods

as for why natural food is more expensive - pesticides and all that shit they do to food make it easier and faster to produce/make food, opposed to growing food naturally where it rots wayyyy faster and cant produce as much.

just my 2 cents

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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717463 - 12/04/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717466 - 12/04/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

More natural food is more expensive because it costs more to produce, and it doesn't last as long. Hence all the refinements.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: circularvortex]
    #7717477 - 12/04/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

natural food is free if you grow it.

one who really liked to argue could suggest that food you "buy" isn't natural, period.

edited: I mean, food that you buy from a store or company. Buying eggs from your neighbor is a bit different.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717478 - 12/04/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What you have said is true. We do have the advantages of modern medicine so eating healthily isn't as important as it once was. Maybe its even more important. :shrug:


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717492 - 12/04/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

100% agree dude.

I wanna get some land and move off the grid.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: circularvortex]
    #7717520 - 12/04/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But it only costs more to produce because the system is set up that way. In reality it costs more to produce the non-organic shit.. logically.. there are more steps. Then you have the added buttfuck of the FDA not regulating jack shit, so virtually anyone can call their shit organic or natural since it's some loosely-defined term. When I say organic or natural .. I mean fucking organic or natural. A potato that comes out of the ground and doesn't have any other chemicals on it or added to it is organic.

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Whole Foods(TM)




Is fucking expensive as fuck.
Like I said.... grow your own or pay out the ass for it. But I'm not rich so I can't shop at whole foods. I do sometimes when I'm feeling crazy.. and I like eating good food.. but I can't justify spending half my income to eat like a normal human should.

But yeah.. food isn't supposed to last forever. Preservatives were good for some things but we've gone WaaaaaaaaaY overboard with them. In the old days people used to go to the market every day and get their fresh breads and vegetables and shit. They still do in some places, in some cultures. But nowadays we eat more preservatives in our food than actual food. We should just stick with what works.. fermentation, freezing, and salt-curing.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: sui]
    #7717535 - 12/04/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed this past year just how many food recalls there were.  Seems like more than ever before. 

I am lucky enough to have a little land in the country.  These recalls have kind of motivated me to go more natural.  I already garden a little but have planned on going bigger this year.  Also plan on getting a few chickens.

Hormone free and pesticide free just seems like a good idea.

OMG!  I am turning into my mother!  :eek:


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: milkman]
    #7717552 - 12/04/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Whole Foods(TM)




That'd be nice, somebody send me a couple hundred extra bucks a month and I'll start shopping there.  Better make it three hundred... :whistling:


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: robbyberto]
    #7717555 - 12/04/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What you have said is true. We do have the advantages of modern medicine so eating healthily isn't as important as it once was. Maybe its even more important. :shrug:




I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.. I think it's that we don't have to eat healthy because we have modern medicine? Correct me if I'm wrong..

But we ARE what we eat. And with all these advances in modern medicine (which quite frankly are very amazing.. say if you... broke your leg or something).. modern medicine can do a great many amazing things compared to 100 years ago. But chronic and degenerative illnesses are WORSE THAN EVER.

Diet plays such a HUGE ROLE in health and that fact is so largely ignored and not even considered in most of the medical industry. Modern medicine is amazing for heroic medicine, but it can't do anything for a debilitating disease that stems from a direct result of poor nutrition. Which is where most modern diseases stem from, poor nutrition and deficiencies in the diet, with major excesses in other (harmful) things.

An ounce of prevention is worth 500 lbs of cure. If you don't get diabetes or pancreatic cancer in the first place, then you dont need the surgery or lifetime of insulin.
Foods are either healing you or they are killing you. There really isn't much inbetween.

The other thing I think is FUCKING REDICULOUS.. is that its against the law to claim a food can cure a certain disease or illness.. or else it has to be classified as a drug according to the FDA. And if you are selling a food claiming it can cure a disease then technically they could put you in jail for it (selling drugs).

Like say for example you were selling oranges, and saying they were the cure for scurvy... (which they are..)


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Noviseer]
    #7717560 - 12/04/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Whole Foods(TM)




That'd be nice, somebody send me a couple hundred extra bucks a month and I'll start shopping there.  Better make it three hundred... :whistling:




Same here.
Shit, better make it five hundred for me. I get hungry.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717613 - 12/04/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dont you people have local farmer markets?
awesome food is found at these places for a nice price.

i agree with th whole 'usa eats bullshit and thats why they are sick' theory,


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717627 - 12/04/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I meant that people can eat McDonalds everyday for the rest of their lives, some actually do, and live to be 70. You can live a long life and eat absolute crap. It doesn't excuse it and you won't feel well but medicine can extend the life spans of people who eat very poorly. Just thought I'd add that even though it didn't add to the discussion. I think people eat poorly because they aren't taught how to do otherwise. I mean parents feed their kids happy meals and all this other crap and don't set any kind of a foundation for their children to grow up and eat well.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: robbyberto]
    #7717637 - 12/04/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What a shitty life that would be. Eating mcdonalds everyday.
Shit I ate it three days in a row once and I thought I was gonna die. no joke.

But for every person that eats mcdonalds everyday until they are 70, there is the person that dying from coronary heart failure at the age of 32.

As for farmer's markets.. I fucking love them. I just moved though so I don't know if there's one around.. but there's gotta be somewhere.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717678 - 12/04/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What a shitty life that would be. Eating mcdonalds everyday.
Shit I ate it three days in a row once and I thought I was gonna die. no joke.




Dude that's the life down here in The delta of Mississippi. People go to McDonalds 7 days a week and when I was younger I could've eaten it 2 or 3 times a day. That's just how it was. My mom has always been really busy with work and school as my dad with work that they'd bring home happy meals and that's what we lived off of.

I mean she did cook but that was usually a weekend thing and it's sad to say but that's how alot of people are raised. I don't even touch McDonalds anymore because I'm trying to change all my bad eating habits and become healthy.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717691 - 12/04/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What a shitty life that would be. Eating mcdonalds everyday.
Shit I ate it three days in a row once and I thought I was gonna die. no joke.





i do taht to myself every now and then. eat nothing but fast food for a few days straight. it makes me so disgusted with myself. every time:shrug: i do it, i still don't know why i submit to that :shrug:


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Syle]
    #7717768 - 12/04/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Where do all the Little Leaguers go after a game?

Party at McD's :bongload:

Hell, I remember most kids would order junk food from the concession stand _DURING_ the game and sit in the dugout and scarf.

You think we've got it bad?  These kids have little hope, as far as eating healthy in the future is concerned.  Hopefully, things will change for the better.  This issue should have as much awareness as Global Warming and being green.

You go to the cafeteria here at the university and everything is breaded and deep fried.  :wtf: Nobody knows how to bake chicken anymore? They honestly serve breaded, deep fried cauliflower.


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    #7717861 - 12/04/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Is it just me or does anyone elses mind boggle when you try to conceive of some of the toxic shit we "civilized" humans eat?




Sometimes when I'm tired of the hassle of eating right.


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Re: The Shit We Eat [Re: Shroomism]
    #7717876 - 12/04/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Which brings me to my next point.. why is "natural" food generally more expensive than the adulterated shit..shouldn't it be the other way around??




While the foods with adulterants have added production costs, they also produce more. The higher production easily over-compensates the added production costs.


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