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Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING?
#7715325 - 12/04/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Forget the Mayans. Let's expand this to be all-inclusive.
Before you start salivating, here are the rules:
1. It cannot be a logical extrapolation or likelihood. For example, years ago before the invasion, I 'predicted' no WMD and total chaos in Iraq after removing Hussein. This was not based on any powers other than deduction and studying cultures and history. Another popular one is 'predicting' a sick relative will die on a certain day.
2. It cannot be a wide-angle nonspecific prediction, i.e. somebody will die in a plane crash next month.
3. It cannot be data back-fitting as is the case with Nostradamus.
4. The predictor cannot shotgun. For example, if I make multiple predictions regarding the same subject. I predict The Patriots or The Colts or The Jets or The Dolphins or ... will win the 2009 Super Bowl.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715330 - 12/04/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict that I will respond to a thread at least once more at the shroomery.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715338 - 12/04/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If logical extrapolation doesn't count, then no. That is the only real way to make predictions.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715342 - 12/04/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard on the History Channel that a 12th century Tibetan prophecy predicted that the 14th Dalai Lama would be the last one to live in Tibet. I'll have to find a source on that.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Icelander]
#7715345 - 12/04/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychologists predict various things in populations by using random samples with a measureable degree of accuracy.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715362 - 12/04/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
Pre-Colombian Hopi Prophecies from The Millennium Book of Prophecy by John Hogue:
"Before the time of the great Purification, they will make metal roads for iron horses and hang metal ropes in the air."
"First they will bring back pieces of the Moon which will upset the balance and unleash disastrous forces."
"Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky."
"The Purification will begin shortly after humans build a great house in the sky. By then there will be fires everywhere and greedy, selfish, power-mad leaders, internal wars."
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: xFrockx]
#7715394 - 12/04/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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QED people predicted the value of the electron magnetic moment to better than 1 part in 100 billions. Now that's quite accurate if you ask me, as in
accuracy : the quality of being near to the true value
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715426 - 12/04/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
hom·i·nid: A primate of the family Hominidae, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species.
You are predicting a new primate species will be discovered or revealed?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715434 - 12/04/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: If logical extrapolation doesn't count, then no. That is the only real way to make predictions.
Yeah... if you ask a question and then, have to modify the parameters of the question FOUR different times.... perhaps you should've asked a different question.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: deimya]
#7715457 - 12/04/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kurzweil has made plenty of predictions that have come true.
While he isnt claiming any supernatural feat, it still isnt wholly logical extrapolation. Some are, like how he has predicted the month in which Moores law will break down....
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715462 - 12/04/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take it this book was written AFTER the locomotive and telegraph/telephone was invented and men went to the moon?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715466 - 12/04/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
hom·i·nid: A primate of the family Hominidae, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species.
You are predicting a new primate species will be discovered or revealed?
Yeah ok grammar nazi, you know what I mean.
But sure, Bigfoot could be proven to exist, but I'm not betting on it.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715470 - 12/04/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I take it this book was written AFTER the locomotive and telegraph/telephone was invented and men went to the moon?
Naw man, the Hopi really said that.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715481 - 12/04/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
hom·i·nid: A primate of the family Hominidae, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species.
You are predicting a new primate species will be discovered or revealed?
Yeah ok grammar nazi, you know what I mean.
But sure, Bigfoot could be proven to exist, but I'm not betting on it.
I dont see why not, there have been enough inconclusive dna tests on unknown primate hairs to prove that sasquatch and yeti do exist.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
#7715483 - 12/04/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I had not put in the caveats, we would endlessly dance around what precognition is.
Rephrased question:
Is there ANY record of ANYONE accurately predicting ANYTHING that could NOT be otherwise be explained through logic, chance, guessing or other ordinary means?
Betterer?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715485 - 12/04/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said: I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
Pre-Colombian Hopi Prophecies from The Millennium Book of Prophecy by John Hogue:
"Before the time of the great Purification, they will make metal roads for iron horses and hang metal ropes in the air."
Wow. I suspect translation had a good deal to do with this prediction.
How'd the Hopi know the difference between IRON and plain old METAL (Like steel, aluminum, titanium... etc.) when they didn't yet know EITHER existed?
THAT'S amazing!
I know, I know... sarcasm doesn't read.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Jack Albertson]
#7715488 - 12/04/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's probably more likely that Bigfoot will be proven before disclosure comes...
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715493 - 12/04/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: If I had not put in the caveats, we would endlessly dance around what precognition is.
Rephrased question:
Is there ANY record of ANYONE accurately predicting ANYTHING that could NOT be otherwise be explained through logic, chance, guessing or other ordinary means?
Betterer?
Betterer? Yes.
To answer your new question... No.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
#7715498 - 12/04/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" ~ Dr. Carl Sagan
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715499 - 12/04/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grammar is quite distinct from definition.
Why should I have to interpret your words? Why can you not state precisely what you mean?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715502 - 12/04/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" ~ Dr. Carl Sagan
"You can translate pre-Columbus Hopi into anything you want. Especially when you don't actually know how to speak it."
~ Me
See qualification #3 of O.C.'s original post.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
#7715516 - 12/04/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good one man.
But seriously, the Hopi stuff is interesting, if you actually research it.
I meant to say hominoid OC. Seeesh.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715528 - 12/04/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Absence of evidence is certainly NOT evidence. ~ Shmoopy
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715538 - 12/04/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"What the skeptic thinks, the disprover disproves."
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
#7715539 - 12/04/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good one man.
But seriously, the Hopi stuff is interesting, if you actually research it.
I agree... I was born in their part of the country and contain some of their blood.
Still, I doubt they had words for, "Iron" and "Metal" before they had seen such things themselves.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
#7715545 - 12/04/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess my first post about Kurzweil wasnt enough...
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Accuracy of predictions
[edit] The Age of Intelligent Machines Arguably, Kurzweil gained a large amount of credibility as a futurist from his first book The Age of Intelligent Machines. Written from 1986 to 1989 and published in 1990, it correctly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union (1991) as new technologies such as cellular phones and fax machines critically disempowered authoritarian governments by removing state control over the flow of information. In the book Kurzweil also extrapolated preexisting trends in the improvement of computer chess software performance to correctly predict that computers would beat the best human players by 1998, and most likely in that year. In fact, the event occurred in May of 1997 when chess World Champion Gary Kasparov was defeated by IBM’s Deep Blue computer in a well-publicized chess tournament. Perhaps most significantly, Kurzweil foresaw the explosive growth in worldwide Internet usage that began in the 1990s. At the time of the publication of The Age of Intelligent Machines, there were only 2.6 million Internet users in the world [29], and the medium was unreliable, difficult to use, and deficient in content, making Kurzweil's realization of its future potential especially prescient given the technology's limitations at that time. He also stated that the Internet would explode not only in the number of users but in content as well, eventually granting users access "to international networks of libraries, data bases, and information services." Additionally, Kurzweil correctly foresaw that the preferred mode of Internet access would inevitably be through wireless systems, and he was also correct to estimate that the latter would become practical for widespread use in the early 21st century.
Kurzweil also accurately predicted that many documents would exist solely on computers and on the Internet by the end of the 1990s, and that they would commonly be embedded with animations, sounds and videos that would prohibit their transference to paper format. Moreover, he foresaw that cellular phones would grow in popularity while shrinking in size for the foreseeable future.
Kurzweil's views regarding the future of military technology were likewise supported by the course of real-world events following the publication of The Age of Intelligent Machines. His pronouncement that the world's foremost militaries would continually rely on more intelligent, computerized weapons was illustrated spectacularly just a year later during the Gulf War, which served as a showcase for new weapons technologies. The trend towards greater computerization of weapons systems is further demonstrated by the increased use of precision munitions since the publication of Kurzweil's book. For example, 10% of all U.S. Naval ordinance expended during the Gulf War (1991) were guided weapons. During the Kosovo campaign (1999), that quantity climbed to 70%, and it reached 90% during the 2001-2002 Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan.[30] As he also predicted, remotely controlled military aircraft were developed, beginning with the Predator reconnaissance plane in the mid-90's, and an armed version of the aircraft was first used in combat in November of 2002.[31]
Kurzweil also described the future of computer-controlled, driverless cars, claiming that the technology to build them would become available during the first decade of the 21st century, yet that due to political opposition and the general public's mistrust of the technology, the computerized cars would not become widely used until several decades hence. In fact, considerable progress has been made with the technology since 1990, and General Motors is scheduled to unveil a new electronic car system called "Traffic Assist" in its 2008 Opel Vectra model. "Traffic Assist" uses video cameras, lasers and a central computer to gather and process information from the road and to make course and speed changes as needed, and is supposedly capable of driving itself without any input from the user in speeds below 60 mph, making it a true driverless car [32] "Traffic Assist" will not be exclusive to the 2008 Opel Vectra for long as GM has announced plans to offer the system for several other types of cars before the end of the decade. [33] Due to stricter U.S. product liability laws, the system will not be available in America for the foreseeable future and will only be offered in Europe. [34]
Kurzweil predicted that pocket-sized machines capable of scanning text from almost any source (a piece of paper, a road sign, a computer screen) and then reading the text out loud in a computerized voice would be available "In the early twenty-first century" and would be used to assist blind people. In June of 2005, Ray Kurzweil himself unveiled the "Kurzweil-National Federation of the Blind Reader" (K-NFB Reader), which is a reading machine possessing the aforementioned attributes. [35] However, he also claimed back in 1990 that the readers would be able to recognize and describe symbols, pictures and graphics in addition to words, read multiple languages, possess wireless Internet access, and be in use with "most" blind and dyslexic people, and perhaps among some normal people as well. While the K-NFB Reader does not have these final attributes, it is entirely possible that the device may be upgraded to the necessary level before the nebulously defined "early twenty-first century" expires. Kurzweil stated during a speech to the 2006 Singularity Summit that his company's current efforts are focused on increasing the pattern recognition abilities of the K-NFB Reader so that the device could identify animals, objects and people, also utilizing facial recognition programs for the final task. [36] Presumably, a machine complex enough to handle such tasks would also be able to read much simpler written symbols and traffic signs.
[edit] The Age of Spiritual Machines In 1999, Kurzweil published a second book entitled The Age of Spiritual Machines, which goes into more depth explaining his futurist ideas. The third and final section of the book is devoted to elucidating the specific course of technological advancements Kurzweil believes the world will experience over the next century. Entitled "To Face the Future," the section is divided into four chapters respectively named "2009", "2019", "2029", and "2099"--each chapter title signifying a different year. For every chapter, Kurzweil issues predictions about what life and technology will be like in that year.
While the veracity of Kurzweil's predictions for 2019 and beyond cannot yet be determined, 2009 is near enough to the present to allow many of the ideas of the "2009" chapter to be scrutinized. To begin, Kurzweil's claims that 2009 would be a year of continued transition as purely electronic computer memories continued to replace older rotating memories seems to be vindicated by the current growth in the popularity and cost-performance of Flash memory. He also correctly foresaw the growing ubiquity of wireless Internet access and cordless computer peripherals. Perhaps of even greater importance, Kurzweil presaged the explosive growth in peer-to-peer filesharing and the emergence of the Internet as a major medium for commerce and for accessing media such as movies, television programs, newspaper and magazine text, and music. He also claimed that three-dimensional computer chips would be in common use by 2009 (though older, "2-D" chips would still predominate), and this appears likely as IBM has recently developed the necessary chip-stacking technology and announced plans to begin using three-dimensional chips in its supercomputers and for wireless communication applications.[37]
In The Age of Spiritual Machines, Kurzweil also spent time discussing future increases in computing use in education. He predicted that interactive software and electronic learning materials would be used by 2009. Indeed, smartboards, interactive whiteboards with a connection to the Internet and learning software and activities are commonly used in schools in developed nations.[38]
The XO Laptop in ebook-mode. Also known as the "$100 laptop".Kurzweil went further to say that students would commonly have portable learning computers in the form of a "thin tablet-like device weighing under a pound." While students increasingly use portable laptops in schools, they tend to be of traditional configuration and of greater weight. But supporting Kurzweil's prediction is the emergence of the One Laptop Per Child Project, which aims to provide low-cost laptop computers (often called the "$100 Laptop") to students in developing nations across the world. The computer can be quickly reconfigured from traditional laptop layout to a tablet-like "e-book reading" layout.[39] However, the $100 Laptop also weighs over three pounds.[40] The first batch of 5 million laptops[41] is expected to ship sometime in 2007.[42] The government of Uruguay was the first to make a major order, buying 100,000 of the laptops in October, 2007 and announcing plans for the possible purchase of 300,000 more units by 2009.[43] By the end of 2009, there could be millions more in use across the world, vindicating Kurzweil's belief that portable computers will be playing a central role in education.
However, it should be noted that text-to-speech converters remain uncommon, along with computerized distance learning, which were two other technologies Kurzweil imagined in widespread use by 2009.
Kurzweil also restates his earlier prediction from The Age of Intelligent Machines regarding the advent of pocket-sized, text-to-speech converters for the blind. As mentioned, this can be regarded as correct given the 2005 introduction of the "Kurzweil-National Federation of the Blind Reader" (K-NFB Reader), though a significant reduction in price would be required by 2009 to reasonably classify the device as "cheap"--one quality Kurzweil claimed they would possess.
Kurzweil's pronouncements regarding the state of Warfare in 2009 seem likely to meet mixed success. While the United States remains the world's dominant military power and will almost certainly remain so until 2009, Kurzweil's "prediction" of this reality is not so awe-inspiring given the massive military preponderance the U.S. has historically enjoyed coupled with the extreme unlikelihood of a sudden diminishment of American strength between 1999 and 2009 considering the U.S.'s past emphasis on military readiness. Kurzweil instead predicted that most opposing countries in 2009 would focus on challenging the United States' economic as opposed to military strength, and this is already the case today. Kurzweil's claim that warfare in 2009 would be dominated by unmanned combat planes seems unlikely to pan out, though it should be noted that unmanned aircraft have nevertheless advanced considerably since 1999 and are more widely used than ever. A squadron of Reaper pilotless bombers was announced for Iraq in August 2007 where there are already numerous smaller Predator unmanned planes there that can fire missiles. Also unlikely is his more general assessment that humans would be largely absent from the battlefield thanks to fighting machines. One needs to look no farther than Iraq or Afghanistan, where the world's most advanced military is forced to fight infantry-based wars in which even soldiers in "safe" rear-echelon areas are subject to regular attack, to realize that combat remains--at its core--a human endeavor. On that note, Kurzweil's prediction that wars between nations would remain rare in 2009 is so far vindicated by the occurrence of only two such wars since 1999--one in Iraq and the other in Afghanistan. While numerous conflicts rage elsewhere, Kurzweil was right to foresee that they would primarily pit regular forces against terrorists.
Kurzweil successfully predicted privacy emerging as a political issue (see CCTV: Privacy).
Kurzweil was also correct to predict that unused processing power from idle computers would be harvested via the Internet, pooling the computational resources of many ordinary PC's to create "virtual parallel supercomputers." When Kurzweil wrote The Age of Spiritual Machines in 1998, distributed computing was unknown to the general public, and the two biggest projects--the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search and Distributed.net--had about 8,000[44] and 100,000[45] computers contributing idle-time processing power, respectively. The popularity of distributed computing exploded in May of 1999 with the release of the SETI@home program, which attracted 200,000 users within a week of initial Internet release, and by July of 2002, 3.83 million people had downloaded and run the client. Today, the vast majority of distributed computing projects fall under the auspices of either United Devices or BOINC.[46] As of November 2007, BOINC has more than 1.1 million active users and almost 2.4 million hosts.[47] Sony also offers users of the Internet-capable PS3 game console the option to donate their machines' idle processing power to Folding@home--an online distributed computing project that seeks to understand the process of protein folding. More than 600,000 PS3 users have agreed to lend their game consoles to the task, resulting in a record-breaking petaflop (1015calculations per second) of processing power in November of 2007.[48] This makes the Folding@home project only slightly less powerful (in terms of raw calculating power) than the human brain, which Kurzweil estimates to be capable of 20 x 1015 calculations per second. With continual, order-of-magnitude improvements to PC's and continued growth in distributed computing networks, it seems almost certain that some of these networks will have more raw power than a human brain by 2009, which is another prediction Kurzweil puts forth in the "2009" chapter of his book.
Moreover, Kurzweil's prediction that portable computers will shrink in size and take on nontraditional physical forms (i.e. - very different in design from a laptop or desktop computer) by 2009 is supported by the emergence of devices such as the portable media players and advanced cell phones, as well as by newer PDA's. All meet Kurzweil's aforementioned criteria, being small to the point of wearability, possessing the power and range of function of older computers, and featuring designs that radically depart from normal computers. Kurzweil's forecast that these devices would lack rotating memories was also right.
However, his claim that such portable computers will be commonly embedded in clothing and jewelry by 2009 seems unlikely to pass, as does his prediction that people will typically be wearing "at least a dozen" such computers in the same year. Most "portable computers" as they are defined here also have built-in keyboards or accessible keyboard functions (such as a digital keyboard that can be manipulated through a touchscreen), putting reality again at odds with Kurzweil's belief that most computers would lack this feature by 2009, with users instead relying on continuous speech recognition (CSR) to communicate with their PC's.
Similarly, Kurzweil's claim that, by 2009, "the majority of text" will be created through continuous speech recognition (CSR) programs instead of through keyboards and manual typing seems highly unlikely. On that vein, he also implied in The Age of Spiritual Machines that CSR software should in fact have already replaced human transcriptionists years before 2009 (i.e. - 2007 or earlier) due in part to its projected superiority in understanding speech compared to human listeners. CSR is not yet this advanced, and the total replacement of human transcriptionists did not happen, nor is it on the verge of happening.
Not only that, he also optimistically stated that houses would have around one hundred computers within, yet houses are not yet "Intelligent". However, this linked into his prediction of domestic robots being around but not mainstream (see Domestic robots).
Since the publication of The Age of Spiritual Machines, Kurzweil has even tacitly admitted that some of his 2009 predictions will not happen on schedule. For instance, in the book he forecast that specialized eyeglasses that beamed computer-generated images onto the retinas of their users to produce an HUD-effect would be in wide use by 2009, and that in the same year telephone companies would commonly provide computerized voice translating services, allowing people speaking different languages to understand one another through a phone. Yet in a 2006 C-SPAN2 interview, he stated that these two technologies would not be available until sometime in the 2010's.
The Age of Spiritual Machines also features a "Timeline" section at the end, which summarizes both the history of technological advancement and Kurzweil's predictions for the future.[49]
[edit] The Singularity is Near While this book focuses on the future of technology and the human race as The Age of Intelligent Machines and The Age of Spiritual Machines did, Kurzweil makes very few concrete, short-term predictions in The Singularity is Near, though longer-term visions are present in abundance.
Kurzweil predicts that, in 2005, supercomputers with the computational capacities to simulate protein folding will be introduced. However, he does not say that an adequate scientific understanding of the forces behind protein folding will come into being in the same year, meaning that the supercomputers might lack the software to accurately mimic the biochemical process. In fact, protein folding is still (as of 2007) a poorly understood phenomenon, and even supercomputer simulations remain inaccurate outside of simulating the folding of anything larger than a basic protein.
[edit] Other Sources In an October 2002 article published on his website, Kurzweil stated that "Deep Fritz-like chess programs running on ordinary personal computers will routinely defeat all humans later in this decade."[50]
Deep Fritz is a computer chess program--generally considered superior to the older Deep Blue--that has defeated or tied a number of human chess masters and opposing chess programs.[51] Due to advances in personal computer performance, the Deep Fritz program can now run on ordinary personal computers, and different versions of it are available for purchase.[52][53] While this makes the first part of Kurzweil's prediction true, it is unknown whether the Deep Fritz programs are currently defeating ALL humans in ALL games played, though considering the impressive professional record of Deep Fritz, it would be reasonable to assume that only the very best human players can beat the program with consistency.
now, while many of his predictions are logical extrapolations of technological trends, there are certain predictions that he has had which were "abstract ideas" at the time of his prediction. You really cannot say that it is a logical extrapolation when you say that the omniviscerapperatii will be a common household item by Year X.... when the omniviscerrapperatii has yet to be thought of outside of himself.
So, to answer Orgones question, yes, someone has made a prediction with incredible accuracy that isnt based on logical extrapolation. but on the same token, Kurzweil has never claimed that it is some supernatural feat..... he is just a genius when it comes to predicting future technological trends.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
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Good one man.
But seriously, the Hopi stuff is interesting, if you actually research it.
I agree... I was born in their part of the country and contain some of their blood.
Still, I doubt they had words for, "Iron" and "Metal" before they had seen such things themselves.
Cool. I hear ya, most writers on these subjects embellish the facts to sell more books and end up detracting from what little truth there is to the original story.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Sci-Fi writers have been predicting the future ever since the style first came into existence. And as with the Kurzweil case, it's not always a matter of logical extrapolation. Of course, when predicting future technologies, the prediction can often influence the future.
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Of course, when predicting future technologies, the prediction can often influence the future.
Yes, yes. True of any prediction, imo.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715589 - 12/04/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I predict you had it coming.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Silversoul]
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That would be an assessment and not a prediction.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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You AND Silversoul should take a look at qualification #1 from your original post.

Neither prediction fits the parameters of your question...
/me sighs...
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
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Dang it! I tripped myself up.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715622 - 12/04/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yay!
I win!
Here's one:
I predict history will keep repeating itself.
AND...
I predict history will keep repeating itself.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
#7715633 - 12/04/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Come again?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Silversoul]
#7715644 - 12/04/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, Kurzweil isnt a sci-fi writer, he is a lot of things, but not really a sci-fi writer.... I mean, if that is how you want to feebly dismiss my entire quote.... then ok.
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"History doesn't repeat itself...but it rhymes." -- Mark Twain
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well, Kurzweil isnt a sci-fi writer, he is a lot of things, but not really a sci-fi writer.... I mean, if that is how you want to feebly dismiss my entire quote.... then ok.
Uh, I wasn't calling Kurzweil a sci-fi writer, nor was dismissing your quote. A bit defensive, aren't we?
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I predict history will keep repeating itself.
It IS holiday season at The Shroomery... after all.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
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It IS holiday season at The Shroomery... after all.
Season's greetings. 
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
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Me no like egg nog.
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Well she obviously does.
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mmmmmmmmmmm... nog /me drools
Main Entry:
Pronunciation: \ˈnäg\ Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1693
1: a strong ale formerly brewed in Norfolk, England2[by shortening] : eggnog
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
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Do you like chest nuts as well?
Shit! There goes my well-crafted thread.
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Do you know how many threads you've derailed OC? My Modometer says 216.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
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That number is way too low. Add another zero or two.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If anyone gave an example that couldn't be explained by any of the 4 reasons you posted above, you'd then attribute it to statistics. We've played this game way too many times already.
I'm sure plenty of people have had precognitive "predictions", but cannot prove them. I have had a few. As far as some prediction that was printed in a book, etc... none that I know of.
Wait. I change my mind. The Sirius Mystery by Robert K. G. Temple. The Dogon predicted some astronomy about the star Sirius. They knew its double helix movement with its twin star. They knew the twin star was there, for one, and knew it was heavier. Someone else may know more about this. The book is still on the shelf waiting for me to read it.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7715931 - 12/04/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can predict the trajectory of a projectile, but only for $640,000.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: jonathanseagull]
#7716002 - 12/04/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If anyone gave an example that couldn't be explained by any of the 4 reasons you posted above...
Let's have it then. This type of projective non-argument has no place in a serious debate.
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The Dogon predicted some astronomy about the star Sirius.
This myth has been thoroughly debunked - yet it still lives on in those who cling to such fantasies. The book about the Dogon was written AFTER the facts of the binary star were known in astronomy circles. Hardly predictive. This is the same thing as the Hopi and iron.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Debunked? Not from what I've seen. Cast into doubt, maybe. But not the same as debunking. Unless of course you can show that the Dogon didn't have such information prior to the discovery of the binary star system. Hypothesizing that the information came by way of cultural contamination is not the same as debunking the claim.
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it hasnt been debunked...
While there are plenty of feeble arguments speculating as to how it is impossible, there is no proof whatsoever that disproves it, or proves that Griaule contaminated the Dogons. What is fairly concrete is the markings on their pottery that was around much longer than the civilized worlds discovery of Sirius B as well as a nearby tribe, called the Bozo's have a very similar belief.
but, I also dont see what any of this has to do with the "challenge", since there was no real prediction based on intuitiveness. Either alines really did contact some african tribe, or the researchers wanted to play out some elaborate plan on an unsuspecting african tribe.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: sleepy]
#7725760 - 12/06/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quickly = 7 years?
Smallpox was ALREADY in decline.
How does this not fit two of my exclusions?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7725822 - 12/06/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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alright how about jesus predicting the destruction of the temple in jerusalem
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Middleman]
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I predict disclosure of the existence of non-human hominid intelligences to the public by 7.25.2013.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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He was close.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Rose]
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I've had some bizarre coincidences in my life that seem to have defied logic, but otherwise nothing close to accurately predicting something--if I could, I would have been famous by now, which would be unfortunate.
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my kids keep telling me that I predicted this or that at some time in the past which came true, but I have no recollection. quite a few things. I guess. why not.
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raymond kurzweil has predicted the shit out of stuff.
Early 2000s[edit] Translating telephones allow people to speak to each other in different languages. Machines designed to transcribe speech into computer text allow deaf people to understand spoken words. Exoskeletal, robotic leg prostheses allow the paraplegic to walk. Telephone calls are routinely screened by intelligent answering machines that ask questions to determine the call's nature and priority. "Cybernetic chauffeurs" can drive cars for humans and can be retrofitted into existing cars. They work by communicating with other vehicles and with sensors embedded along the roads. Early 21st century[edit] The classroom is dominated by computers. Intelligent courseware that can tailor itself to each student by recognizing their strengths and weaknesses. Media technology allows students to manipulate and interact with virtual depictions of the systems and personalities they are studying. A small number of highly skilled people dominates the entire production sector. Tailoring of products for individuals is common. Drugs are designed and tested in simulations that mimic the human body. Blind people navigate and read text using machines that can visually recognize features of their environment. Note: Since the "Early 2000s" and "Early 21st century" predictions are both listed before the "2010" predictions in the technology Chronology, it can be assumed that the timeframe for the first two is 2000–2010.
2010[edit] PCs are capable of answering queries by accessing information wirelessly via the Internet. 2020–2050[edit] Phone calls entail three-dimensional holographic images of both people. By 2020, there will be a new World government. 2020–2070[edit] A computer passes the Turing Test, becoming the first true Artificial Intelligence. Kurzweil has even wagered that his predictions will be true, on the site Long Bets Betting against Mitchell Kapor, founder of Lotus Software Corporation for a payout of $20,000, or $10,000 each.
Centuries hence[edit] Computer intelligence becomes superior to human intelligence in all areas. The Age of Spiritual Machines (1999)[edit] 2009[edit] Most books will be read on screens rather than paper. Most text will be created using speech recognition technology. Intelligent roads and driverless cars will be in use, mostly on highways. People use personal computers the size of rings, pins, credit cards and books. Personal worn computers provide monitoring of body functions, automated identity and directions for navigation. Cables are disappearing. Computer peripheries use wireless communication. People can talk to their computer to give commands. Computer displays built into eyeglasses for augmented reality are used. Computers can recognize their owner's face from a picture or video. Three-dimensional chips are commonly used. Sound producing speakers are being replaced with very small chip-based devices that can place high resolution sound anywhere in three-dimensional space. A $1,000 computer can perform a trillion calculations per second. There is increasing interest in massively parallel neural nets, genetic algorithms and other forms of "chaotic" or complexity theory computing. Research has been initiated on reverse engineering the brain through both destructive and non-invasive scans. Autonomous nanoengineered machines have been demonstrated and include their own computational controls. 2019[edit] The computational capacity of a $4,000 computing device (in 1999 dollars) is approximately equal to the computational capability of the human brain (20 quadrillion calculations per second). The summed computational powers of all computers is comparable to the total brainpower of the human race. Computers are embedded everywhere in the environment (inside of furniture, jewelry, walls, clothing, etc.). People experience 3-D virtual reality through glasses and contact lenses that beam images directly to their retinas (retinal display). Coupled with an auditory source (headphones), users can remotely communicate with other people and access the Internet. These special glasses and contact lenses can deliver "augmented reality" and "virtual reality" in three different ways. First, they can project "heads-up-displays" (HUDs) across the user's field of vision, superimposing images that stay in place in the environment regardless of the user's perspective or orientation. Second, virtual objects or people could be rendered in fixed locations by the glasses, so when the user's eyes look elsewhere, the objects appear to stay in their places. Third, the devices could block out the "real" world entirely and fully immerse the user in a virtual reality environment. People communicate with their computers via two-way speech and gestures instead of with keyboards. Furthermore, most of this interaction occurs through computerized assistants with different personalities that the user can select or customize. Dealing with computers thus becomes more and more like dealing with a human being. Most business transactions or information inquiries involve dealing with a simulated person. Most people own more than one PC, though the concept of what a "computer" is has changed considerably: Computers are no longer limited in design to laptops or CPUs contained in a large box connected to a monitor. Instead, devices with computer capabilities come in all sorts of unexpected shapes and sizes. Cables connecting computers and peripherals have almost completely disappeared. Rotating computer hard drives are no longer used. Three-dimensional nanotube lattices are the dominant computing substrate. Massively parallel neural nets and genetic algorithms are in wide use. Destructive scans of the brain and noninvasive brain scans have allowed scientists to understand the brain much better. The algorithms that allow the relatively small genetic code of the brain to construct a much more complex organ are being transferred into computer neural nets. Pinhead-sized cameras are everywhere. Nanotechnology is more capable and is in use for specialized applications, yet it has not yet made it into the mainstream. "Nanoengineered machines" begin to be used in manufacturing. Thin, lightweight, handheld displays with very high resolutions are the preferred means for viewing documents. The aforementioned computer eyeglasses and contact lenses are also used for this same purpose, and all download the information wirelessly. Computers have made paper books and documents almost completely obsolete. Most learning is accomplished through intelligent, adaptive courseware presented by computer-simulated teachers. In the learning process, human adults fill the counselor and mentor roles instead of being academic instructors. These assistants are often not physically present, and help students remotely. Students still learn together and socialize, though this is often done remotely via computers. All students have access to computers. Most human workers spend the majority of their time acquiring new skills and knowledge. Blind people wear special glasses that interpret the real world for them through speech. Sighted people also use these glasses to amplify their own abilities. Retinal and neural implants also exist, but are in limited use because they are less useful. Deaf people use special glasses that convert speech into text or signs, and music into images or tactile sensations. Cochlear and other implants are also widely used. People with spinal cord injuries can walk and climb steps using computer-controlled nerve stimulation and exoskeletal robotic walkers. Computers are also found inside of some humans in the form of cybernetic implants. These are most commonly used by disabled people to regain normal physical faculties (i.e. - Retinal implants allow the blind to see and spinal implants coupled with mechanical legs allow the paralyzed to walk). Language translating machines are of much higher quality, and are routinely used in conversations. Effective language technologies (natural language processing, speech recognition, speech synthesis) exist Access to the Internet is completely wireless and provided by wearable or implanted computers. People are able to wirelessly access the Internet at all times from almost anywhere Devices that deliver sensations to the skin surface of their users (i.e.--tight body suits and gloves) are also sometimes used in virtual reality to complete the experience. "Virtual sex"—in which two people are able to have sex with each other through virtual reality, or in which a human can have sex with a "simulated" partner that only exists on a computer—becomes a reality. Just as visual- and auditory virtual reality have come of age, haptic technology has fully matured and is completely convincing, yet requires the user to enter a V.R. booth. It is commonly used for computer sex and remote medical examinations. It is the preferred sexual medium since it is safe and enhances the experience. Worldwide economic growth has continued. There has not been a global economic collapse. The vast majority of business interactions occur between humans and simulated retailers, or between a human's virtual personal assistant and a simulated retailer. Household robots are ubiquitous and reliable. Computers do most of the vehicle driving—-humans are in fact prohibited from driving on highways unassisted. Furthermore, when humans do take over the wheel, the onboard computer system constantly monitors their actions and takes control whenever the human drives recklessly. As a result, there are very few transportation accidents. Most roads now have automated driving systems—networks of monitoring and communication devices that allow computer-controlled automobiles to safely navigate. Prototype personal flying vehicles using microflaps exist. They are also primarily computer-controlled. Humans are beginning to have deep relationships with automated personalities, which hold some advantages over human partners. The depth of some computer personalities convinces some people that they should be accorded more rights. While a growing number of humans believe that their computers and the simulated personalities they interact with are intelligent to the point of human-level consciousness, experts dismiss the possibility that any could pass the Turing Test. Human-robot relationships begin as simulated personalities become more convincing. Interaction with virtual personalities becomes a primary interface Public places and workplaces are ubiquitously monitored to prevent violence and all actions are recorded permanently. Personal privacy is a major political issue, and some people protect themselves with unbreakable computer codes. The basic needs of the underclass are met. (Not specified if this pertains only to the developed world or to all countries) Virtual artists—creative computers capable of making their own art and music—emerge in all fields of the arts. 2029[edit] A $1,000 personal computer is 1,000 times more powerful than the human brain. The vast majority of computation is done by computers and not by human brains. Further progress has been made in understanding the secrets of the human brain. Hundreds of distinct sub-regions with specialized functions have been identified. Some of the algorithms that code for development of these regions have been deciphered and incorporated into neural net computers. Massively parallel neural nets, which are constructed through reverse-engineering the human brain, are in common use. The eyeglasses and headphones that used to deliver virtual reality are now obsolete thanks to computer implants that go into the eyes and ears. The implants are either permanent or removable. They allow direct interface with computers, communications and Internet-based applications. The implants are also capable of recording what the user sees and hears. Computer implants designed for direct connection to the brain are also available. They are capable of augmenting natural senses and of enhancing higher brain functions like memory, learning speed and overall intelligence. Computers are now capable of learning and creating new knowledge entirely on their own and with no human help. By scanning the enormous content of the Internet, some computers "know" literally every single piece of public information (every scientific discovery, every book and movie, every public statement, etc.) generated by human beings. Direct brain implants allow users to enter full-immersion virtual reality—with complete sensory stimulation—without any external equipment. People can have their minds in a totally different place at any moment. This technology is in widespread use. Most communication occurs between humans and machines as opposed to human-to-human. The manufacturing, agricultural and transportation sectors of the economy are almost entirely automated and employ very few humans. Across the world, poverty, war and disease are almost nonexistent thanks to technology alleviating want. The rise of Artificial Intelligence creates a real "robot rights" movement, and there is open, public debate over what sorts of civil rights and legal protections machines should have. The existence of humans with heavy levels of cybernetic augmentation and of larger numbers of other people with less extreme cybernetic implants lead to further arguments over what constitutes a "human being." Although computers routinely pass the Turing Test, controversy still persists over whether machines are as intelligent as humans in all areas. Artificial Intelligences claim to be conscious and openly petition for recognition of the fact. Most people admit and accept this new truth. Reverse engineering of the human brain completed Non-biological intelligence combines the subtlety and pattern recognition strength of human intelligence, with the speed, memory, and knowledge sharing of machine intelligence Non-biological intelligence will continue to grow exponentially whereas biological intelligence is effectively fixed in its rate of growth 2049[edit] Food is commonly "assembled" by nanomachines. This food is externally indistinguishable from "natural" food, but it can be made more wholesome since production can be controlled at the molecular level. This technology decouples food production from climate conditions and the availability of natural resources. The distinction between virtual reality and "real" reality becomes confounded as foglets come into common use, allowing immediate assembly or disassembly of all sorts of physical objects. 2072[edit] Picoengineering (technology on the scale of trillionths of a meter) becomes practical. 2099[edit] The human brain has been completely reverse engineered and all aspects of its functioning are understood. Natural human thinking possesses no advantages over computer minds. Machines have attained equal legal status with humans. Humans and machines merge in the physical and mental realms. Cybernetic brain implants enable humans to fuse their minds with AI's. In consequence, clear distinctions between humans and machines no longer exist. Most conscious beings lack a permanent physical form. The vast majority of the Earth's sentient beings are AI's that exist entirely as thinking computer programs capable of instantly moving from one computer to another across the Internet (or whatever equivalent exists in 2099). These computer-based beings are capable of manifesting themselves at will in the physical world by creating or taking over robotic bodies, with individual AI's also being capable of controlling multiple bodies at once. Individual beings merge and separate constantly, making it impossible to determine how many “people” there are on Earth. This new plasticity of consciousness and ability for beings to join minds seriously alters the nature of self-identity. The majority of interpersonal interactions occur in virtual environments. Actually having two people physically meet in the real world to have a conversation or transact business without any technological interference is very rare. Organic human beings are a small minority of the intelligent life forms on Earth. Even among the remaining Homo sapiens, the use of computerized implants that heavily augment normal abilities is ubiquitous and accepted as normal. The small fraction of humans who opt to remain "natural" and unmodified effectively exist on a lower and more limited plane of consciousness from everyone else, and thus find it impossible to fully interact with AI's and highly modified humans. "Natural" humans are protected from extermination. In spite of their shortcomings and frailties, humans are respected by AI's for giving rise to the machines. Since knowledge and skills can be instantly downloaded and comprehended by most intelligent beings, the process of learning is compressed into an instantaneous affair instead of the years-long struggle normal humans experience. Free from this time-consuming burden, AI's now focus their energies on making new discoveries and contributions. AI's are capable of dividing their attention and energies in countless directions, allowing one being to manage a multitude of endeavors simultaneously. Femtoengineering (engineering on the scale of one thousandth of a trillionth of a meter) might be possible. AI's communicate via a shared electronic language. Artwork and music created by machines encompasses areas of the light spectrum and frequencies of sounds that normal humans cannot perceive. Money has deflated in value, meaning all sorts of goods and services have become cheaper. Some humans at least as old as the Baby Boomers are still alive and well. Computer viruses are a major threat since most intelligent beings are software-based. AI's frequently make "backup copies" of themselves, guaranteeing a sort of immortality should the original AI be killed. The concept of "life expectancy" has become irrelevant to humans and machines thanks to medical immortality and advanced computers. The pace of technological change continues to accelerate as the 22nd century nears. Thousands of years from now[edit] "Intelligent beings consider the fate of the Universe." Presumably, this means that the AI's created by humans will have the ability to control the entire Universe, perhaps keeping it from dying. The Singularity is Near (2005)[edit] 2010[edit] Supercomputers will have the same raw computing power as human brains, though the software to emulate human thinking on those computers does not yet exist. (IBM Sequoia) Computers will start to disappear as distinct physical objects, meaning many will have nontraditional shapes or will be embedded in clothing and everyday objects. Full-immersion audio-visual virtual reality will exist. 2010s[edit] The decade in which "Bridge Two", the revolution in Genetics/Biotechnology, is to reach its peak. During the 2020s, humans will have the means of changing their genes; not just "designer babies" will be feasible, but designer baby boomers through the rejuvenation of all of one's body's tissues and organs by transforming one's skin cells into youthful versions of every other cell type. People will be able to "reprogram" their own biochemistry away from disease and aging, radically extending life expectancy. Computers become smaller and increasingly integrated into everyday life. More and more computer devices will be used as miniature web servers, and more will have their resources pooled for computation. High-quality broadband Internet access will become available almost everywhere. Eyeglasses that beam images onto the users' retinas to produce virtual reality will be developed. They will also come with speakers or headphone attachments that will complete the experience with sounds. These eyeglasses will become a new medium for advertising which will be wirelessly transmitted to them as one walks by various business establishments. This was fictionalized in Dennō Coil. The VR glasses will also have built-in computers featuring "virtual assistant" programs that can help the user with various daily tasks. Virtual assistants would be capable of multiple functions. One useful function would be real-time language translation in which words spoken in a foreign language would be translated into text that would appear as subtitles to a user wearing the glasses. Cell phones will be built into clothing and will be able to project sounds directly into the ears of their users. Advertisements will utilize a new technology whereby two ultrasonic beams can be targeted to intersect at a specific point, delivering a localized sound message that only a single person can hear. 2015[edit] By now, it is likely that "clean a house" will be within the capabilities of a household robot. 2018[edit] 1013 bits (=10 TB) of computer memory—roughly the equivalent of the memory space in a single human brain—will cost $1000. 2020s[edit] The decade in which "Bridge Three", the revolution in Nanotechnology, is to begin: allowing humans to vastly overcome the inherent limitations of biology, as no matter how much humanity fine-tunes their biology, they will never be as capable otherwise. This decade also marks the revolution in Robotics (Strong AI), as an AI is expected to pass the Turing test by the last year of the decade (2029), meaning it can pass for a human being (though the first A.I. is likely to be the equivalent of an average, educated human). What follows then will be an era of consolidation in which nonbiological intelligence will undergo exponential growth (Runaway AI), eventually leading to the extraordinary expansion contemplated by the Singularity, in which human intelligence is multiplied by billions by the mid-2040s. Early in this decade, humanity will have the requisite hardware to emulate human intelligence within a $1000 personal computer, followed shortly by effective software models of human intelligence toward the middle of the decade: this will be enabled through the continuing exponential growth of brain-scanning technology, which is doubling in bandwidth, temporal and spatial resolution every year, and will be greatly amplified with nanotechnology, allowing us to have a detailed understanding of all the regions of the human brain and to aid in developing human-level machine intelligence by the end of this decade. Computers less than 100 nm in size will be possible. As one of their first practical applications, nanomachines are used for medical purposes. Highly advanced medical nanobots will perform detailed brainscans on live patients. Accurate computer simulations of the entire human brain will exist due to these hyperaccurate brainscans, and the workings of the brain will be understood. Nanobots capable of entering the bloodstream to "feed" cells and extract waste will exist (though not necessarily be in wide use) by the end of this decade. They will make the normal mode of human food consumption obsolete. By the late 2020s, nanotech-based manufacturing will be in widespread use, radically altering the economy as all sorts of products can suddenly be produced for a fraction of their traditional-manufacture costs. The true cost of any product is now the amount it takes to download the design schematics. By the later part of this decade, virtual reality will be so high-quality that it will be indistinguishable from real reality. The threat posed by genetically engineered pathogens permanently dissipates by the end of this decade as medical nanobots—infinitely more durable, intelligent and capable than any microorganism—become sufficiently advanced. The many variations of "Human Body 2.0" (as Kurzweil calls it) are incrementally accumulated into this and the following decade, with each organ and body system having its own course of refinement and development. It ultimately consists of a nanotechnological system of nourishment and circulation, obsolescing many internal organs, brain-extension and an improved skeleton. 2023[edit] 1016 calculations per second—roughly the equivalent of one human brain—will cost $1,000. 2025[edit] The most likely year for the debut of advanced nanotechnology. Some military UAVs and land vehicles will be 100% computer-controlled. 2030s[edit] Mind uploading becomes successful and perfected by the end of this decade as humans become software-based: living out on the Web, projecting bodies whenever they want or need (whether in virtual or real reality), and living indefinitely so long as they maintain their "mind file". Eventually, all human beings (including those with transbiological 2.0 or 3.0 bodies) will migrate to this postbiological state except for those who wish to remain unenhanced: the transbiological era giving way to the postbiological era. Nanomachines could be directly inserted into the brain and could interact with brain cells to totally control incoming and outgoing signals. As a result, truly full-immersion virtual reality could be generated without the need for any external equipment. Afferent nerve pathways could be blocked, totally canceling out the "real" world and leaving the user with only the desired virtual experience. Brain nanobots could also elicit emotional responses from users. Using brain nanobots, recorded or real-time brain transmissions of a person's daily life known as "experience beamers" will be available for other people to remotely experience. This is very similar to how the characters in Being John Malkovich were able to enter the mind of Malkovich and see the world through his eyes. Recreational uses aside, nanomachines in peoples' brains will allow them to greatly expand their cognitive, memory and sensory capabilities, to directly interface with computers, and to "telepathically" communicate with other, similarly augmented humans via wireless networks. The same nanotechnology should also allow people to alter the neural connections within their brains, changing the underlying basis for the person's intelligence, memories and personality. The many variations of "Human Body 3.0" are gradually implemented during this and the following decade; It mostly likely lacks a fixed, corporeal form and can alter its shape and external appearance at will via foglet-like nanotechnology. 2040s[edit] People spend most of their time in full-immersion virtual reality (Kurzweil has cited The Matrix as a good example of what the advanced virtual worlds will be like, without the dystopian twist). Foglets are in use. Nonbiological intelligence will be billions of times more capable than biological intelligence. 2045: The Singularity[edit] $1000 buys a computer a billion times more intelligent than every human combined. This means that average and even low-end computers are vastly smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans. The technological singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted (hence the term "Singularity"). The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans. Post-2045: "Waking up" the Universe[edit] The physical bottom limit to how small computer transistors (or other equivalent, albeit more effective components, such as memristors integrated into Crossbar latches) can be shrunk is reached. From this moment onwards, computers can only be made more powerful if they are made larger in size. Because of this, A.I.s convert more and more of the Earth's matter into engineered, computational substrate capable of supporting more A.I.s. until the whole Earth is one, gigantic computer, except for a few nature reserves set aside on the planetary surface for those humans who decided to remain in their natural state. "MOSH's" (Mostly Original Substrate Human) who choose to remain purely organic would still possess virtual assistants that will act as their transcendent servants, living in the blurred real world ("foglet-reality") and being provided with environments and everything they could possibly need as they live out the rest of their normal lives unless they enhance themselves. At this point, the only possible way to increase the intelligence of the machines any farther is to begin converting all of the matter and energy in the universe into similar massive computers. A.I.s radiate outward from Earth, first into the Solar System and then out into interstellar space, then galaxies in all directions, utilizing starships that are Von Neumann probes with nanobot crews, breaking down whole planets, stars, moons, and meteoroids and reassembling them into computers. This, in effect, "wakes up" the universe as all the inanimate "dumb" matter (rocks, dust, gases, etc.) is converted into structured matter capable of supporting life (albeit synthetic life). Kurzweil predicts that machines might have the ability to make planet-sized computers by 2099, which underscores how enormously technology will advance after the Singularity. The process of "waking up" the universe could be completed well before the end of the 22nd century, provided humans are not limited by the speed of light. With the entire universe made into a giant, highly efficient supercomputer, AI and human hybrids (so integrated that, in truth it is a new category of "life") would have both supreme intelligence and physical control over the universe. Humanity will still not possess infinite levels of any attributes, as the accelerating change of evolution never reaches an infinite measure (though it moves rapidly in that direction), becoming, as Kurzweil writes, "moving inexorably toward this monotheistic conception of God, though never reaching this ideal"; even with theories such as the holographic universe. The final chapter however notes that, if possible, the ability to create and colonize other universes (and if there is a way to do this, humanity's vast intelligence is likely to harness it, as with surpassing/bypassing the speed of light) could allow the intelligence of the human/machine civilization to extend indefinitely, akin to a mathematical singularity. If not, then saturating humanity's own universe will remain their ultimate fate. Some indeterminate points within a few decades from now[edit] Space technology becomes advanced enough to provide the Earth permanent protection from the threat of asteroid impacts. The antitechnology Luddite movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development. The emergence of distributed energy grids and full-immersion virtual reality will, when combined with high bandwidth Internet, enable the ultimate in telecommuting. This, in turn, will make cities obsolete since workers will no longer need to be located near their workplaces. The decentralization of the population will make societies less vulnerable to terrorist and military attacks.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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so far, he is considered to be about 102/108 accurate.
meaning out of 108 predictions, he was wrong about 6 of them to some degree. The cool thing is that he has the balls to put a year on each of his predictions that have almost always been 10 years out. He predicted that a computer would beat a master chess champion by the year 2000, and it happened in 1997, but it is still unclear if Kasparov was cheated or not.
He has basically extrapolated all of his predictions due to Moore's law. One of his best predictions was when he nailed the date at which moore's law broke down for computers.
I havent really read this thread, so I dont know if you guys were referring to a mystical prediction, but Kurzweil is the modern Nostradamus with logic.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Of course, Nostradamus never predicted anything. He wrote poetic word salad which is the equivalent of a Rorshach ink blot test. You can ascribe to the words any scenario of your choosing.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm very adept at predicting my sneezes & farts.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said: Of course, Nostradamus never predicted anything. He wrote poetic word salad which is the equivalent of a Rorshach ink blot test. You can ascribe to the words any scenario of your choosing.
I don't believe in mystical powers or anything, but how could you foretell say.... a microwave, while living in the 1700's? There isn't a word for microwave, or even the mechanisms to explain how it works. If there ever was such a seer, it isn't like they would have to say "in 200 years we will use rays to vibrate water molecules to create heat via friction"... they would say "a magic box will make meals in mere minutes".
I recall that Nostradamus supposedly predicted airplanes according to some passage about men soaring on the wings of metallic eagles or some shit like that.
So, on one hand, I don't believe that there is some mystical ability... on the other I think that it is entirely possible to have a deep comprehension of humanity as a whole coupled with moments of thought that are not restrained by immediate (present) understanding of things. Take for example sci-fi stories/movies etc of the early 1900's that depicted shit with automatic doors that wooshed open without being touched. That stuff didn't come to fruition until decades later.
So while I am with you that someone predicting random shit happening on an exact day is bullshit, people have the capacity to predict the impossible, improbable and unforseen, even if it is just misguided creativity or being delusional.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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yeah, it's not mystical, but it is an amazing dedication to task in consideration of how things work, how people work, and how come we don't have flying cars yet?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#20523217 - 09/05/14 08:08 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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He has basically extrapolated all of his predictions due to Moore's law
Exactly. Those are not predictions. They are extrapolations from WELL KNOWN technological trajectories. From SP's definition of "prediction", Moore's law itself is a prediction, though I call it well-informed guessing. And it's telling that with millions of threads, tens of millions of posts, and hundreds of members who claim to have predictive magical powers here over the years, not one single post has ever predicted a natural disaster.
Now, when SP posts a link to an independent, date-stamped message board (here for example) to someone predicting hurricane Katrina, the Haiti earthquake, the Indonesian or Japanese tsunami, or some other real prediction not just an extrapolation of known trends, then I will sit up and pay attention.
Until then...
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Diploid]
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it is slightly more than just extrapolation in regards to Kurzweil.
I think anyone could take moore's law in the 80's and "predicted" the price and computing power of the personal computer in 2000, but predicting exactly what type of social impact and new innovative uses is something that takes a very creative mind unrestrained by the myopic ceiling of present day thinking.
Like I said before, I am with you guys on the mystical bullshit. It isn't personal powers or anything, just a really smart motherfucker with a firm grasp on a lot of shit.
Kurzweil predicted when Moore's law would break down because he figured out the physical limitations of present day conductors with respect to heat dissipation vs computational efficiency. That was the logical extrapolation, what isn't mere logical extrapolation is how society would react/reject certain aspects of advancing technology or repurpose technology for other unintended uses. That is pure creativity.
He has a great part in one of his books that talks about the life cycle of a technology. Here, I found it. Everyone should read this because it is just spot on. (I know this is getting off topic a bit, but 7 pages is enough to consider this topic debated)
The Life Cycle of an Invention
In the precursor stage, the enabling factors for the new technology are in place; visionaries may even describe its operation or its goals. But the invention has yet to become a reality. Leonardo da Vinci, for example, described flying machines, but we don’t consider him to be the inventor of the airplane.
Our society especially celebrates invention, but this stage exists only in the context of those before and after. Inventors need to bridge science and practical problem-solving skills. They clearly need determination; Edison, for instance, went through thousands of materials before settling on a satisfactory light bulb filament. As I mentioned, they need a sense of timing. They also need a measure of salesmanship to attract the necessary resources, including investment and coworkers-not to mention customers.
The third stage is development. Often an invention enters the world as an ungainly and impractical device. It would be hard to develop an effective business model around the Wright brothers’ airplane. Further refinements had to take place before we really entered the age of aviation.
Development is followed by maturity, which constitutes the bulk of a technology’s life span. The technology has now become an integral part of everyday life, and it appears that it will never be replaced. Invariably, there are assaults on the now established technology, which form the fifth stage, that of false pretenders. Here a new, potentially disruptive technology claims to be in a position to replace the mature technology. Although better in certain ways, the new technology is invariably found to be missing salient and critical features of the established invention. The failure of the upstart only strengthens the conviction of technology conservatives that the old order will indeed hold indefinitely.
Over time, however, new inventors master the absent qualities of the upstart, pushing the older technology into obsolescence, which constitutes about 5 to 10 percent of its life cycle. The final resting ground for a technology is antiquity. Consider today the horse and buggy, the manual typewriter, and soon, the music CD.
I have personally been involved in inventing an upstart technology to replace a venerable mature one: the piano. The precursor of the piano was the harpsichord. Musicians were dissatisfied, however, that the harpsichord couldn’t vary the intensity of its sound; so Bartolomeo Cristofori invented one that could. He called it “gravicembalo col piano e forte” (harpsichord with soft and loud), or “piano” for short. It was not initially popular, but refinements ultimately made the piano the keyboard instrument of choice throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.
The false pretender was the electric piano of the early 1980s. It had many advantages: no need for tuning, a panoply of sounds, and automated accompaniment, among others. But it was missing one crucial feature: a convincing piano sound.
With advanced signal processing and insights from pattern recognition, this deficit was overcome. Today, the sound quality of electronic pianos surpasses that of the upright piano, which used to constitute the bulk of the market for acoustic pianos. Electronic instruments now come close to dominating the market for pianos, and the sale of acoustic pianos continues to decline
Think about how much technology this applies to. The laser disc, Betamax, Polaroids, Blu-ray, Sega Dreamcast... all of them were technological flops even though they were superior to the "old" technology.
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Dat cool man. You so smarty pants what!
BTW how long can I keep using these CDs?
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Icelander]
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Warren Zevon was quite the predictor He sang:
And if California Falls into the Ocean Like the Mystics and Statistics Say it Will I Predict this Hotel Will Stay Standing Until I Pay My Bill
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Re: Has ANYBODY ever accurately predicted ANYTHING? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Dat cool man. You so smarty pants what!
BTW how long can I keep using these CDs?
you can personally keep using them as long as you can find a machine to use them, but they have pretty much stopped being mass produced. They are on life support by the independent musician or anyone who still wants to hand a tangible product to someone.
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