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Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
    #7714939 - 12/04/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

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Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7714998 - 12/04/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So, did he reveal that 9/11 was an inside job, or does he suspect it was? I'm not seeing anything there about him having inside information on the attack.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Silversoul]
    #7715051 - 12/04/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Its a Prison Planet link, good luck finding anything true in there.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Silversoul]
    #7715067 - 12/04/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He doesn't have any proof besides rumor amongst agencies that are not the CIA and Mossad.

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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7715110 - 12/04/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to add to this that there are Germans that still believe that the reichstag fire was done by the communists, and the nazi's would never attack their own.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7715152 - 12/04/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
Its a Prison Planet link, good luck finding anything true in there.




not entirely,

They have a biased selection, but they put up articles written by main-stream newspaper as well. I recently was able to find a article on their website about a roadside-testing device I wanted more information on- though nothing technical of course.

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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7715169 - 12/04/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add to this that there are Germans that still believe that the reichstag fire was done by the communists, and the nazi's would never attack their own.




Yeah, The Night of The Long Knives notwithstanding, of course.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7715174 - 12/04/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add to this that there are Germans that still believe that the reichstag fire was done by the communists, and the nazi's would never attack their own.


That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic at all.

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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7715882 - 12/04/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so someone who was last president in 1992 knew what was being planned in for September 2001. don't forget this guy is from Italy, they dissolved their government like a year ago and i doubt even italians would consider themselves a semi major world power.

not to mention what was the point of pulling of 9/11? seriously? was it to make people who already have millions of dollars get a few more millions? killing 3,000 innocent people to marginally increase your bank account is pretty evil, even for american businessmen.
to make the government stronger? honestly, who would make it such a goal in their life that they would actually suggest let alone execute one of the worst acts of terror in history just to make the government stronger? i know some people feel safer with more cops on the streets etc but to actually execute a terrorist attack against your own people just to increase the amount of federal "security" is stupid.

not one conspiracy theorist has been able to provide a legitimate reason for 9/11 to be an inside job.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7715949 - 12/04/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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don't forget this guy is from Italy, they dissolved their government like a year ago and i doubt even italians would consider themselves a semi major world power.






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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: johnm214]
    #7715987 - 12/04/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

basically my point is when was the last time anyone gave a hoot what italy does or says? WWII? i can't remember the last time i heard about italy doing anything substantial as far as world politics go. are they even included when we consult matters of foreign policy?


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7716003 - 12/04/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was more interested in them dissolving their government... I must be behind the times or something

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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: johnm214]
    #7716079 - 12/04/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

actually it was just a temporary crisis with italy's president, PM, or whatever it is that italy uses trying to resign after losing a vote in parliament and for other partisan fighting. the BBC uses terms like "The president has now begun consulting party leaders on the formation of a new government." that made me think the government was reformed after being dissolved but that is not that case. paraphrased by myself from wiki: instead it seems the guy stepping down was asked to stay and actually went on to barely receive a vote of confidence and stayed on. elections were held this summer electing some guy who, honestly, is of no consequence in world politics. good thing we never elected communists into congress here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6384953.stm


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7717274 - 12/04/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The reichstag fire was caused by freedom hating communists. Poland had to be invaded, to spread democracy and freedom!


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7717331 - 12/04/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Its a Prison Planet link, good luck finding anything true in there.




actually, its quoted from this respected (read: non-tabloid) paper in Italy:

http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossiga_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7718170 - 12/05/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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so someone who was last president in 1992 knew what was being planned in for September 2001. don't forget this guy is from Italy, they dissolved their government like a year ago and i doubt even italians would consider themselves a semi major world power.

not to mention what was the point of pulling of 9/11? seriously? was it to make people who already have millions of dollars get a few more millions? killing 3,000 innocent people to marginally increase your bank account is pretty evil, even for american businessmen.
to make the government stronger? honestly, who would make it such a goal in their life that they would actually suggest let alone execute one of the worst acts of terror in history just to make the government stronger? i know some people feel safer with more cops on the streets etc but to actually execute a terrorist attack against your own people just to increase the amount of federal "security" is stupid.

not one conspiracy theorist has been able to provide a legitimate reason for 9/11 to be an inside job.





Well we would be certainly not stuck in Iraq without 9/11, we wouldn't have a Homegrown Terrorism Act, to suppress dissent in our country, targeting progressive activist groups, and the Carlyle Group, Blackwater and Oil Contractors would not have the ton of money they have now.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: DreamSignals]
    #7718385 - 12/05/07 03:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Well we would be certainly not stuck in Iraq without 9/11

You don't know that, especially not with any certainty.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Seuss]
    #7718559 - 12/05/07 06:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Every 9/11 post I find from now until I die, I shall post the following graphic:


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: DreamSignals]
    #7718959 - 12/05/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so the whole entire goal of the bush presidency was to target progressive activist groups(many of which formed as a backlash against bush), to make money for Blackwater and the Carlyl groups as well as pass an anti terror act? was that really the entire goal of bush's last 7 years as president? has the entire world been fooled by this mastermind that is George W. Bush?


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7720040 - 12/05/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Italian court orders toons to witness stand

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ROME -- Tweety may get a chance to take the witness stand and sing like a canary.

An Italian court ordered the animated bird, along with Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and his girlfriend Daisy, to testify in a counterfeiting case.

In what lawyers believe was a clerical error worthy of a Looney Tunes cartoon, a court in Naples sent a summons to the characters ordering them to appear Friday in a trial in the southern Italian city, officials said.

The court summons cites Titti, Paperino, Paperina, Topolino -- the Italian names for the characters -- as damaged parties in the criminal trial of a Chinese man accused of counterfeiting products of Disney and Warner Bros.

Instead of naming only the companies and their legal representatives, clerks also wrote in the witness list the names of the cartoons that decorated the toys and gadgets the man had reproduced, said Fiorenza Sorotto, vice president of Disney Company Italia.


"Unfortunately they cannot show up, as they are residents of Disneyland," Sorotto joked in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "It certainly pleased us that the characters were considered real, because that's what we try to do."

The Naples court will have to rewrite the summons, although this will probably delay the trial, said Disney lawyer Cristina Ravelli.

"Let's hope the characters will not be prosecuted for failing to appear," Ravelli quipped.

Calls seeking comment from Warner Bros. in Milan were not returned. Phones at the Naples court were not answered Tuesday.

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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Luddite]
    #7734312 - 12/08/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus .

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.
"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.


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Re: Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7735563 - 12/09/07 06:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The rules for this forum require links to cut and pastes. Please provide one for the above article. Thank you.




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