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my dad wants to try mushrooms
    #7714052 - 12/04/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

he doesn't know much about mushrooms. he says "if you wanna get fucked up drink vodka, mushrooms mess with your brain" and i'm like "where did you read that?" and he says it's "common knowledge". at first he was angry at me saying i use magic mushrooms once in a while but now once he sees how the cultivation process works and how the shroom life cycle goes he's gotten friendlier and more curious. so i said that i could get some mush for him to try if he's interested and he agreed.

he's over fifty, used to drink a lot. i thought maybe giving him 1,5g or 2g with tea so he'd get threshold effects but nothing that would freak him out. what do you think? has anyone given their skeptic parents mushrooms before :P ?


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7714054 - 12/04/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not shure how that will go, but being an alcholic, when i switched to shrooms i loved how i was fucked up but not shitty like you get from liqour.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: rodfarva]
    #7714068 - 12/04/07 06:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wish my dad was still alive when I started getting into psychedelics, in some ways. I'd love to hear his take on Acid and Mushrooms; I'm sure they'd be crazy stories. My dad was sort of a nutcase.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7714088 - 12/04/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds like a decent first dose, but based on what you've said, it sounds like he knows little to nothing about mushrooms, or the depth of their effects.

If I were introducing a person to mushrooms in that way: I would talk to him and/or have him read some material on the effects of mushrooms, highlighting some of the more "typical" subjective effects. I would make sure they understand that this substance can cause dormant thoughts, or thoughts which might normally seem casual, to be amplified. And as such, I would make sure they knew the importance of set and setting, and relaxing, and giving in to whatever the experience may be.

1.5 to 2g isn't a whole lot for me, and for a lot of people. That would be a mild trip. But some people seem to get pretty decent effects from that...so you have to keep in mind that you have more or less no idea how he would react.

That's what I would do.

Good luck. And if you choose to do it, I hope his first experience shows him everything he's been missing.

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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #7715358 - 12/04/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Considering he is over 50, you have to remember that he probably very set in his ways. His first trip could change a lot of views that he has made over the span of his lifetime.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7715384 - 12/04/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

he isn't looking for a way to get fucked up and he's pretty much off the booze. that's why i'm considering a low dose and see how it goes, although i'm not sure about it yet, i'll have to think this through. i just don't want him to have a bad experience, although i don't see how it could happen unless he starts to flat out fight the effects.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7715397 - 12/04/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Educate him, teach him "how" to trip. Let him know what could happen. TBH, I think it's great that your dad wants to try a psychedelic. I'd love to trip with my parents, but if I so much as said I use psychedelics my ass would probably be in rehab in 30 seconds flat.

Edit: I'm 18 and in college. I still live off my parents. If they knew that I use psychedelics they'd probably give me an ultimatum of rehab or being cut off. I realized right when I posted that that it made it sound like I'm 14 in high school living with my parents.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7715410 - 12/04/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think LSD would be a better starting point, but that's only my opinion. I somehow think trips on mushrooms have more of a tendency to get serious, quick and if it catches you off guard and you don't know how to ride it out, it'll be a nightmare.

He's inexperienced and so you can give him a low dose, but then he won't notice the full effects... Since what got him interested was the growth cycle and he wants to learn more, I'd say take it easy and explain what to expect with a low dose and maybe if he likes it, he might wanna try higher doses next time around. Drinking doesn't effect the brain but shrooms does? *raises eyebrow*


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Ness1]
    #7715428 - 12/04/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well as much as you can try to educate someone and prepare them for the trip, theres really no way he's gonna understand what it'll be like until he's actually tripping. The dose you suggested sounds fine, if he wants to try more on a separate occasion then excellent. But at that dose it's pretty hard for something to go wrong unless your father is particularly crazy in the head.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7715472 - 12/04/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever happens, for god's sake report back to us about it!

Anyone remember the thread about the guy giving his elderly grandpa shrooms?


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7715562 - 12/04/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the first time i tripped was spur of the moment. i had just enough time to look up and find out that there was not really any present physical danger in taking them so that was good enough for me...
and that was my most amazing trip ever. sometimes i think knowing FOR SURE you will be okay in a few hours is the only real information you need on the substance...you have a completely unbiased approach going into the experience that way and it gives you the comfort to let go a lot easier then if you know all the stuff about bad trips and how horrible these things can make you feel at times...

oh and that was a 2.5 to 3 gram trip.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #7715580 - 12/04/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds like my first trip, i had no clue really what it would be like. Only knew that the trip wouldn't last forever and that i'd be down in around eight hours at the most. I ate an eighth and it was extremely intense but i learned a lot from it and i feel it really prepared me for future trips.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: opensaysme]
    #7715753 - 12/04/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My dad was the one who gave me his Terrence mckenna books. So he is fairly open to that stuff.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: F1234K]
    #7716582 - 12/04/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

haha!

He's a 50+ year old post alcoholic, I'm sure he's seen it all. :wink:

Give him a dose that'll knock his socks off!


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7716621 - 12/04/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Tell him: Okay dad, this is not your average bottle of vodka here. This is mans' shit!


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Grylls]
    #7716632 - 12/04/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Grylls said:
Tell him:  Okay dad, this is not your average bottle of vodka here.  This is mans' shit!




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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: Grylls]
    #7716643 - 12/04/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1.5gr probably will give him the mind fuck portion of the trip, but little to no visuals, depending how sensitive he is and how potent the mushrooms are.

That would be a fine dose for a beginner, just tell him it is a low dose, and that there is much more to behold as you increase the amount you take. If he wants to explore his mind further...he can take more next time. I think it's smart to familiarize yourself with the altered thought with a low dose.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: opensaysme]
    #7716723 - 12/04/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Well as much as you can try to educate someone and prepare them for the trip, theres really no way he's gonna understand what it'll be like until he's actually tripping. The dose you suggested sounds fine, if he wants to try more on a separate occasion then excellent. But at that dose it's pretty hard for something to go wrong unless your father is particularly crazy in the head.




I do agree with this, to an extent. Yes, it is nearly impossible to tell someone what the psychedelic experience will be like, for them to KNOW in the same way as if they were to dose....

On the other hand, it is possible to prepare someone for a range of possible effects, and to indoctrinate them as to the importance of concepts like "set," "setting," "letting go," "ego death," etc etc. of course, I doubt even a 10 year old could experience ego death on 2g of cubensis.... but that isn't to say that such information should not be available, or would not be helpful.

I read about the effects of LSD for YEARS before I first took the drug. And I'm glad I did. My first experience was intense, but not scary in any way. I was very open and receptive to it, having a good understanding of what I might feel, and knowing that it was only a temporary state of mind....and despite having a direct encounter with the police, it was a very good experience.

Like I said... If I were in that situation, I would give my father a crash-course in psychedelics, and make sure he had a good grasp on what it was all about, before giving him anything.

Fortunately for me, my father was a bona-fide acid-dropping long-haired product of the 60's, and has probably taken better acid than I can ever hope to see... so he is at least tolerant of my views.

Good luck, both to you and your father.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #7716969 - 12/04/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Give them too him.

Good line about the man shit, i like it.


My bet is he will have a marvelous time.

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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7717018 - 12/04/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats really cool. I would give him 1.5g's. Are you going to trip with him? I think that would be the coolest thing. My dad use to smoke, I know that, but I'm not sure what else he did. If he hasnt tried it, or even if he has maybe next time I get some I'll ask him about it. It might be weird at first, but after reading this I think it'd be a great experience.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: newlife]
    #7717131 - 12/04/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When I told my dad I was growing shrooms his exact words were "get ready for stomach cramps" he then told me about one time when him and my mom took mushrooms, they had a whole bag and my mom kept on eating them til she freaked out and thought my dads face was melting, both my parents used to be into all kinds of shit, my moms totally straight now, if she knew I was growing shrooms she'd call the cops on me and yes I am over 18 even though I live in an apt with my dad.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: newlife]
    #7717156 - 12/04/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Just tell him to read some erowid stuff and it'll go smooth.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: acommunistspy]
    #7717867 - 12/04/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would say 2-4 grams as then he will see the true beauty.


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: F1234K]
    #7718119 - 12/05/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=neuroscientists-probe-psy

Show him that, it will give him a better impression of the experience, and is less likely to freak out because "its messing with his brain".


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Re: my dad wants to try mushrooms [Re: DreamSignals]
    #7718145 - 12/05/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome! Before you dose him, make sure that he feels fully comfortable.


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