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akb112211
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inevitable demise...PLEASE READ
#7713988 - 12/04/07 04:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure I will make plenty of enemies with this post, but maybe I can inspire some people to take some action through inaction. Maybe there are a few out there who will agree with me. Before I continue, I would like to point out that I am a HYPOCRITE. I have committed all of the following things I am about to say.
We all know that as we speak, there happens to be a huge loophole in the laws(internationally) regarding "entheogens" and plants that contain them. I love it.
Why for crying out loud is everyone drawing so much attention to them?!?!
I am worried. I'm worried because I fear that the loophole is going to close.
There are far too many posts that can be answered through doing a simple search. There is no need to post simple questions about extractions and dosage advise. Anyone can come on this site and view these topics. This includes law enforcement. More importantly it includes over protective parents who can type a simple letter to a congressman or representative.
These aren't even simple documents explaining extraction and synthesis techniques. They are not even hypothetical trip reports. I'm talking about the things that we are discussing in real time. It is us who are contributing directly to comments in the media like this...
"...White said the use of a toad and extracts from natural plants to get high are becoming popular. He said there are some Internet sites that feature an instructional video on how to extract the toad’s venom..." (he's talking about us)
...that come from idiotic articles like this... http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/385782.html
It is the increasing occurrence of articles like this that contribute to legislation.
It is one thing to discretely order plants/incense/seeds etc. online or through a catalogue, but to do it and discuss it as openly as we do is just dumb.
Let me ask everyone here a question. Who do you discuss your drug use with in real life? You don't shout about it do you?
Even though we think we are anonymous, we are not. You can use a proxy. Problem solved? Sure. But, it is just selfish to worry about your own protection, while not considering what is happening to everyone else's freedom. Everyone is sitting happy with their extracts, plants, and spores as if they won't be controlled substances within a couple years.
Don't you all realize that the freedom that the loopholes have created is contributing to its own demise? We complain constantly about our freedoms being stripped and the stupid government taking our god given rights to ingest plants and animals.
Enjoy your rights! Just please, do it with some tact. There is enough information on the internet to go around, a few times.
There is no need to add more fuel to the fire of prohibition. I am aware that the wheels have already begun to turn. The forbidden fruit has already been picked. Please people, wake up.
To those who are offended by this because they already know what I'm talking about, well no need to apologize to you all. You understand. Please help out though.
To everyone who could care less about what I have said, well, please just don't complain when its all over.
Just to note, those who are in power probably do not appreciate the big middle finger that we are giving them. The thing is, if it bothers them enough. They can easily chop our hands off.(figuratively) Think about it...
Please respond! You can even tell me to fuck off if you want too.(just explain yourself if you do)
Thanks for reading everyone. All I ask is that you think about what is going on.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7713996 - 12/04/07 04:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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might as well just shut down the internets . . .
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7714039 - 12/04/07 05:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wholeheartedly agree. Although I am fervently in favor of free access to information, there is a bit too much "real-time" discussion which could be avoided by referral to previously written material. A bit more discretion and a somewhat lower profile will not materially affect access to information.
Writing hypothetically wouldn't hurt, but probably wouldn't help much, either. There is little to gain, and MUCH freedom to lose by being so patently public with illegal activities, and those presently legal entheogens will join the Schedule I as soon as the swelling parental fear, negative public stigmata and inevitable misinformation finds its way onto the radar of politicians at local, state and federal levels.
I believe your concern is well-founded. N.B.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: Nature Boy]
#7714179 - 12/04/07 07:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Suicide for fear of death. This is what you're suggesting. It's downright stupid. Why would you allow a government to control what you say and do? Prohibition is not getting any worse because of actions here, and even if it were I would continue to post until my freedoms were granted. You are a pandering conformist. Should civil rights activists just have stepped to the back of the bus, the end of line, to the segregated drinking fountain, all for fear of making things worse? It's about as bad as it can get I don't fear things getting any worse.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: confusion]
#7714293 - 12/04/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For better or for worse, the chances of people listening to this post are approximately -7 out of1,232,903,981,249.
If the government wants to make spores a controlled substance, they will. You can bet the DEA is quite informed on all the legal loopholes used to create psychedelics.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: confusion]
#7714351 - 12/04/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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confusion said: Suicide for fear of death. This is what you're suggesting. It's downright stupid. Why would you allow a government to control what you say and do? Prohibition is not getting any worse because of actions here, and even if it were I would continue to post until my freedoms were granted. You are a pandering conformist. Should civil rights activists just have stepped to the back of the bus, the end of line, to the segregated drinking fountain, all for fear of making things worse? It's about as bad as it can get I don't fear things getting any worse.
whoa, whoa, whoa, you've got me all wrong. But I'll give your point the benefit of doubt(begrudgingly). Because I CAN see where you are coming from. To begin with, I am not calling for a halt or censorship. I am merely making a call for responsible thoughtful action.
My point is simple. Please do not spin it to conform to something against your views. I also think its rather embarrassing of you to compare this to the Civil Rights Movement. Many peoples' actions on this board are lazy and irresponsible. At the same time, there are many people on this board who are responsible and realize the gift of this loophole in the law. Yes, I also understand this "gift" should never have been taken from us to begin with. Our freedoms are taken from us the moment people begin to abuse what is available. Whats better a free society or a moral society?
I'll tell you. Neither. You can't have both in equally high amounts. In any given population, once absolute freedom is granted/achieved what happens? For some(the morally deficient), this means indulging selfishly for personal success and achievement at everyone else's cost(regardless of morals). The others(responsible people), don't need laws to tell them what is right and wrong. They will respect the property of others while looking out for their own needs. The latter will generally feel at the whim of the government due to irresponsible people of society.
Ok, so I'm talking utopia here.
Perhaps I should recant my original statements. It is merely down to human nature. Everything else in between is a matter of opinion. I find it amazing that we have regained the sacred knowledge of these plants. At the same time, I find it sad that their use has been diminished to "getting fucked up" to so many. It is a catch 22 that is to be human.
Turns out that the plants themselves are not the sacred ones. Its potential of the people who decide to use them properly.
Well, I suppose as long as these things appear in nature, they will never truly be eradicated. So, I guess go ahead. Continue as you are and have been. I'm through with judging.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7714649 - 12/04/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one will stop the monster the Internet has created. We can tell people to be responsible as much as we want, but there will always be some loser posting his drooling salvia trip on Youtube.
We are a spoiled culture. The US of A has spawned the board middleclass zitface. What the feds don't get and never will is if you outlaw everything that can get you high,these same board teenagers will start inhaling paint thinner to get high.
The damage is done. The Internet is here to stay. The shroomery is one of the places that has (weather they admit it or not) created the instant celebrity syndrome. Did you read the thread here from the dumbass who was going to take as many drugs as possibe so he could recreate the Fear and Loathing experience? Salvia will become illegal, not because of the shroomery, but because of the ease of information on the Internet. I hope the Youtube losers don't complain when it happens.
People don't like to hear "respect for the mushrooms" here, but there are a lot of guys here who think it is cool to get as baked as possible and go driving. Mushrooms are a good teacher if that's what you are looing for. If you are a stupid kid who likes to eat shrooms and impress you friends by driving or doing other jackass related things, you may get killed, and you deserve what you get. Weather they are spiritual to you are not, they are powerful and will wipe up the floor with your ass if you don't respect them.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7714682 - 12/04/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you have any idea what the world was like 50 years ago and all time before that? I'm guessing you don't.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7714700 - 12/04/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not concerned about the legal crackdown. Are they going to wipe out all the mycelium on the planet? Are they going to uproot everybody's ornamental san pedro cacti? Are they going to pull up my neighbor's datura and morning glory plants? For some reason I doubt it.
I don't know if you noticed, but this issue already went to the supreme court and won. Use ayahuasca all you want in the safety of your own bona fide religious ceremony, with the supreme court's stamp of approval.
Forget the government and law enforcement! Do you think they can stop this?! This stuff comes from the earth, the planet. Do you think our miniscule rhythms of government, democracy, capitalism, and technology can compete with the great planetary rhythms that brought us this loophole?
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you know gona step in and say yeah its not really the plants that are so sacred my friend made Ayahuasca out of dinner tea with just sheer will. and shared it with someone with no proir experience who finally got to have it. Its not the plants its spirit. but reo they can spray fungicide. if worse comes to worse they will do all of what you mentioned just like pot if you read the news forum 99% of the pot plants they destroy are wild and far out number what they take from people trying to grow it. something i wont be afraid of is a world with out drugs because people have the power, plants only make people realise that or just leave them confused(fucked up) but btw i agree i doubt they will go on a rampage getting everything tho i could see the crack down on san pedro. not morning glory tho or datura cause use is less wide spread. but yeah worse things to worse perdo can become like pot or anyother controled substance. they cant get rid of everything
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: thedudenj]
#7714862 - 12/04/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mycelium though? I doubt they can break up the great mycelial network covering the earth with some, uh, fungicide...
I could just see it, humans destroying the entire ecosystem by somehow wiping out mushrooms because people can get high on them!
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mecreateme said "Do you have any idea what the world was like 50 years ago and all time before that? I'm guessing you don't."
What are you referring to?
Reo said, "I'm not concerned about the legal crackdown. Are they going to wipe out all the mycelium on the planet? Are they going to uproot everybody's ornamental san pedro cacti? Are they going to pull up my neighbor's datura and morning glory plants? For some reason I doubt it.
I don't know if you noticed, but this issue already went to the supreme court and won. Use ayahuasca all you want in the safety of your own bona fide religious ceremony, with the supreme court's stamp of approval.
Forget the government and law enforcement! Do you think they can stop this?! This stuff comes from the earth, the planet. Do you think our miniscule rhythms of government, democracy, capitalism, and technology can compete with the great planetary rhythms that brought us this loophole?"
Of course I agree, the fungi is here to stay. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about that. I do think that san pedro is going to be scheduled soon. So, that will be more difficult to obtain.
As for Ayahuasca, do you think the average person will be able to use religion as a defense? I'd like to see examples of some cases that were overturned using this argument in defense of DMT.
Maybe you are right. Law enforcement can't possibly stop it all. I either over reacted to all of these idiots posting things like the examples Mourningdove gave or I was simply in a bad mood and afraid of losing all of the things that we take for granted.
Perhaps I need to adopt an attitude more like thedudenj. I understand that people have the power, but when will they/we wake up? Never, I feel. Its been like this since the beginning.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7715294 - 12/04/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the internet itself is a major awakening. Think about it, man, it's never been like this before. We have had the internet for maybe 10-20 years, and look at the havoc it has caused to the current systems. This is all new shit! Very few of us would have the kind of access to these 'loophole' psychedelics were it not for the internet.
Anyway, I think the ayahuasca trial is more useful as a precedent. It's unlikey authorities will go out of their way to look for a substance that was determined a legal sacrament by the supreme court.
And why do you guys think san pedro is going down? I haven't heard really anything about it.
Upon searching, I just found a couple of UK articles about headshops and legal highs, briefly glossing over san pedro.
San pedro and ayahuasca will never become popular drugs, I think. People like to take tabs or pills or a hit from a pipe, not drink a ridiculously bitter brew and throw up later.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: I'm not concerned about the legal crackdown. Are they going to wipe out all the mycelium on the planet? Are they going to uproot everybody's ornamental san pedro cacti? Are they going to pull up my neighbor's datura and morning glory plants? For some reason I doubt it.
I don't know if you noticed, but this issue already went to the supreme court and won. Use ayahuasca all you want in the safety of your own bona fide religious ceremony, with the supreme court's stamp of approval.
Forget the government and law enforcement! Do you think they can stop this?! This stuff comes from the earth, the planet. Do you think our miniscule rhythms of government, democracy, capitalism, and technology can compete with the great planetary rhythms that brought us this loophole?
Wow...how short-sighted can you get? They don't have to do any such thing! All they have to do (and they have the power) is to come a knockin' on YOUR particular door and throw YOUR personal ass in JAIL. Then what? Where does that leave your bravado and your personal freedoms THEN??
I'm not worried about some attempt at wiping out cactus, shrooms, pot plants or mimosa hirabalis root or any other such natural thing...in fact, that whole notion is absurd. However, I'm VERY concerned that more and more laws will be promulgated, passed, and enforced such that more and more >>individuals<< will become potential defendants in criminal proceedings!!!
No law, means no problem. "Big (Federal, ie country-wide) law" means BIG problems. And, by the way, the Legislature trumps the courts so long as the law is Constitutional, so you can kiss your supreme court argument goodby. The courts merely INTERPRET the law and the facts on a case by case basis; in NO instance (except a case of first impression) do courts MAKE law. Thats why they're called DECISIONS.
Being low key ("underground") always worked for us in the 60's and 70's, and when it became an abandoned notion is when all the problems started. I'm not sure why one would chose to champion their cause publically (verbally, on the net, in e-mails or otherwise) because being arrested and jailed, with all of the attendant NASTY financial and social penalties and life-long implications of that are far more painful than the bragging rights are pleasurable. The risk to reward ratio is FAR too low for my taste! I don't understand why anyone would feel differently and blab openly about their activities.
Being bent over and cuffed to the seat belt fixture in a police cruiser is not fun and no laughing matter...and that is just the beginning.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: Nature Boy]
#7717125 - 12/04/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Wow...how short-sighted can you get? They don't have to do any such thing! All they have to do (and they have the power) is to come a knockin' on YOUR particular door and throw YOUR personal ass in JAIL. Then what? Where does that leave your bravado and your personal freedoms THEN??
I'm not worried about some attempt at wiping out cactus, shrooms, pot plants or mimosa hirabalis root or any other such natural thing...in fact, that whole notion is absurd. However, I'm VERY concerned that more and more laws will be promulgated, passed, and enforced such that more and more >>individuals<< will become potential defendants in criminal proceedings!!!
No law, means no problem. "Big (Federal, ie country-wide) law" means BIG problems. And, by the way, the Legislature trumps the courts so long as the law is Constitutional, so you can kiss your supreme court argument goodby. The courts merely INTERPRET the law and the facts on a case by case basis; in NO instance (except a case of first impression) do courts MAKE law. Thats why they're called DECISIONS.
Being low key ("underground") always worked for us in the 60's and 70's, and when it became an abandoned notion is when all the problems started. I'm not sure why one would chose to champion their cause publically (verbally, on the net, in e-mails or otherwise) because being arrested and jailed, with all of the attendant NASTY financial and social penalties and life-long implications of that are far more painful than the bragging rights are pleasurable. The risk to reward ratio is FAR too low for my taste! I don't understand why anyone would feel differently and blab openly about their activities.
Being bent over and cuffed to the seat belt fixture in a police cruiser is not fun and no laughing matter...and that is just the beginning.
N.B.
First of all, drugs are much more underground now then they were in the 60's and 70's.
Secondly, you need to get a handle on how our government works before you rant. I'm not sure what supreme court decisions have been made over psychedelics, but I do know that any supreme court decision is held as a precedent in all future cases pertaining to that issue. If the supreme court rules that arresting people for possession of mushroom spores is unconstitutional, anybody that gets arrested for possession of mushroom spores now has precedent on their side, and they won't go to jail. That's an oversimplification but you get the idea.
And third, people don't post this shit online to brag. Most of them do it because for many people, preforming a DMT or mescaline extraction would be impossible without the web, and these helpful shroomerites realize this.
I understand where you guys are coming from, but some of you need to chill out, I don't see the DEA labeling San Pedro or anything like it as a controlled substance anytime soon.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: Nature Boy]
#7717405 - 12/04/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: All they have to do (and they have the power) is to come a knockin' on YOUR particular door and throw YOUR personal ass in JAIL. N.B.
And I'll be waiting for them with tea ready when they finally do. Seeing as there is no indication I am involved with any large drug smuggling operations, ect. the Powers That Be really are not going to put any effort into trying to stick wimpy little possession charges on myself, or anyone else here.
Man up, people. Take the rogue science Explosives and Weapons forum for example. They are involved in things the government is MUCH more paranoid about than the odd hippy, and have even been directly linked to users blowing themselves up (similar story to the O.D. guy here?)
... anyway, the point is that no one from there is going to be shipped off for some ramblings on a message board, nor will it happen to any shroomites.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: g00ru]
#7718497 - 12/05/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said: Secondly, you need to get a handle on how our government works before you rant. I'm not sure what supreme court decisions have been made over psychedelics, but I do know that any supreme court decision is held as a precedent in all future cases pertaining to that issue. If the supreme court rules that arresting people for possession of mushroom spores is unconstitutional, anybody that gets arrested for possession of mushroom spores now has precedent on their side, and they won't go to jail. That's an oversimplification but you get the idea.
That's precisely what sets the legislature into motion...a court decision which is adverse to the intended legislative outcome. Not all laws are drafted perfectly the first time!!!
Spores are a perfect example. If existing laws are intended to proscribe a certain behavior (growing, using, selling Schedule I substances) and the highest court in the land says spores (because they contain none of those substances) are not covered under the law as drafted, then the legislature, (being aware of the decision and their prior intent) will draft and pass legislation specifically naming spores of all genus/species of schedule I producing mushrooms on the next go-around. Until then, the supreme court's precedent stands, but that can be a fairly short reprieve indeed! N.B.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: g00ru]
#7718512 - 12/05/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said:
First of all, drugs are much more underground now then they were in the 60's and 70's.
WHAT???????????? There were no e-mail lists, Yahoo groups, YOUTUBE or internet in the 60's and 70's! The masses were not FILMING THEMSELVES getting f-ed up, being all f-ed up, and advertising their illegal substance use and putting them out where 100,000+ people can view it PER YOUTUBE vid! You've GOT to be kidding me with that assertion. More underground now???? HA!!! That is the single most inaccurate and laughable "fact" I have ever encountered on the shroomery to date!
Apparently I'm old enough to be your grandfather, since I can speak on THAT topic from first hand experience. I'm willing to bet you were not even born then. N.B.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: g00ru]
#7718529 - 12/05/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said:
First of all, drugs are much more underground now then they were in the 60's and 70's...
...And third, people don't post this shit online to brag. Most of them do it because for many people, preforming a DMT or mescaline extraction would be impossible without the web, and these helpful shroomerites realize this.
I understand where you guys are coming from, but some of you need to chill out, I don't see the DEA labeling San Pedro or anything like it as a controlled substance anytime soon.
How can you say that drugs are more underground today than they were back then? Nothing is more "underground" today. EVERYTHING is available to ALL people on the internet. That hardly defines "underground". As a matter of fact, its quite the opposite.
People certainly do post on the internet to brag, Youtube anyone? I think that example has been given already. Here on the shroomery specifically? Well, maybe we are a bit classier if you want(not all posts of course). Also, they post in the name of their avatar, screen name, rating, etc. Its a couple levels removed from themselves. So, what comes with a feeling of anonymity? All of those hidden personality traits and characteristics(along with the ego) that are normally hidden in real life. So, of course people will be more brazen and boastful than normal. Mainly, posters want to share their experiences and ask questions. These questions, by the way are not unique, but can be answered hundreds of times over by using the search. You don't think these extractions would be possible without the web? It would be more difficult, but there are many books out there that have been written on alkaloid containing plants and toad. In the past, it would be more likely that anyone trying an extraction would have a general idea of the nature of organic chemistry before undertaking such a project. Now, (I have been guilty as charged) all we need are the raw materials and tools. Most people go step by step, only stopping to ask what the next step is online! Its like building a house without any prior knowledge of engineering, architecture and the intricacies of plumbing and electrics.
To be honest though, I find it fascinating, the changes that have taken place, not only during the life of the internet, but in the past 4-5 years when I first began learning things on Erowid. In internet years, I must be ancient! I'm a bitter old guy complaining about all the kids out there ruining things! Damn, thats sad.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7718584 - 12/05/07 06:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Two University of Tennessee students busted for making DMT
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7717986
See? the more articles that appear online like this one, the closer we come to losing access to plants and animals(that are not native to our areas) It is not difficult to get these vendors shut down. All they(the gov't) need a bit of momentum and it will be all over the media. Even more than it already is.
Sorry, more negativity..I'll stop now.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7718764 - 12/05/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well one thing ill point out that chances of a trail of ayahuasca is rare due to the fact that even if it was take from you and drug tested its not gona come up as anything. i had a bag of my stuff that used and frozen for reuse given to the police and they were told it was drugs which resulted in it coming up as no drugs.
as far as the cacti theres been cases in the UK specailly if you have powder or chunks.
and yeah vendors can go down due to people braging,deaths,drug raids of houses(specially if they take a persons comp as evidance),parents of kids doing stupid shit, and theres a bunch of other reasons but as you see theres a general theme. People talk to much,theres alot of mistrust, high school kids..., college kids..., theres alot of things that can result in vendors going down. Yes this doesnt mean things will be gone but it will be changed to people growing and things being more underground. its funny tho all that talk of underground cause you can find out about underground raves and stuff online but you know you have to know someone and be in the whole sence to know where to look. but with getting cactus or mimosa or any of that such all you have to do is type it in yahoo, and bam drugs shipped to your house. Also i might add selling drugs is a good way to get caught about everything else or being involved with people that do cause phones get tapped. any who yeah. i do think 3 major things need to happen in the psychedelic community. 1. we need to be more organised like tribes or something. 2. we need to strenghten our bonds. 3. we need to be more secret.
not really in that order but still. we also need to get teachers who will teach the truth so less students hear something from health class then decide to experiment. I kinda have a vision for the future but its still very hazy. But one thing is certain people need to look beyond the drugs in alot of cases then they longer become an issuse.
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
#7719024 - 12/05/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the fact that you refer to a legal substance as a "loop hole in the law" discredits you immediately. It's not a loop hole its a right. We have the right to buy this stuff and the right to use it, it is legal and therefore we aren't even breaking any laws by talking about it.
You are talking about suicide for fear of death. You are telling everyone to take their actions underground for fear of being pushed underground. Suicide for the fear of death.
These aren't loopholes and you don't expand your rights under the law by being submissive to laws that don't even exist.
Yeah it sucks that "they" can take your rights away so easily if "they" decide to, but maybe that just means everyone should get off your ass and do something. I have no problem breaking the law but that doesn't mean I don't want to see an end to prohibition. Honestly though there are bigger issues in this country other than whether this stuff stays or becomes illegal.
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thedudenj
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now Cake thats where your wrong we dont have a right to use it as a substance. a good deal of these things are legal only under the pretense that they arnt being used in that manner. Good example is morning glory or any other LSA plant,cacti,dmt plants, and you know the list goes on. your eating a packet of morning glory seeds and cop video tapes you your up for the charges of crystal lsa. People do get arrested for having cactus powder. so yeah it is kinda a loop hole in the sense you can get it and use it as long as you dont get caught
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Quote:
JstHereFrTheCake said:
You are talking about suicide for fear of death.
Nice analogy. Buy it used?
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Drugs ARE more underground now. Just because information is more widely available doesn't mean drugs are more mainstream. In the 60's and 70's drugs started a movement encompassing a generation, influencing every aspect of popular culture possible. Plus if you look at the stats, many more people smoked weed and tripped up until the mid 70s.
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Re: inevitable demise(re-thought not recanted) [Re: akb112211]
#7723090 - 12/06/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your responses and discussion. I have a clearer view and a more open mind regarding these things I mentioned. I feel I have cleared up the origins of my frustrations. So, perhaps we are not heading for an "inevitable demise". Poor subject name perhaps? We will indeed have psychoactives in one form or another as long as we are around to experience them. I think my frustrations lie with their popularity and irresponsible people. But, what would the world be without irresponsible people? 'Irresponsible' is subjective anyway. I know. Spending so much time online and in "counter-culture" communities like the shroomery made me forget how small but significant this "movement" is. The thing is, I read international headlines daily. As many of us do. I also read the shroomery headlines. This makes it seem as if drug related news is as significant as all other world news. I was taken in by my own hype.
Having said that, I am still frustrated with the way some people respond to freedom. But that is life. Isn't it?
This thread has become a mirror unto myself...now, to deal with that. thanks
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