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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
    #7718764 - 12/05/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well one thing ill point out that chances of a trail of ayahuasca is rare due to the fact that even if it was take from you and drug tested its not gona come up as anything. i had a bag of my stuff that used and frozen for reuse given to the police and they were told it was drugs which resulted in it coming up as no drugs.

as far as the cacti theres been cases in the UK specailly if you have powder or chunks.

and yeah vendors can go down due to people braging,deaths,drug raids of houses(specially if they take a persons comp as evidance),parents of kids doing stupid shit, and theres a bunch of other reasons but as you see theres a general theme.
People talk to much,theres alot of mistrust, high school kids..., college kids..., theres alot of things that can result in vendors going down. Yes this doesnt mean things will be gone but it will be changed to people growing and things being more underground. its funny tho all that talk of underground cause you can find out about underground raves and stuff online but you know you have to know someone and be in the whole sence to know where to look. but with getting cactus or mimosa or any of that such all you have to do is type it in yahoo, and bam drugs shipped to your house. Also i might add selling drugs is a good way to get caught about everything else or being involved with people that do cause phones get tapped. any who yeah. i do think 3 major things need to happen in the psychedelic community.
1. we need to be more organised like tribes or something.
2. we need to strenghten our bonds.
3. we need to be more secret.

not really in that order but still. we also need to get teachers who will teach the truth so less students hear something from health class then decide to experiment. I kinda have a vision for the future but its still very hazy.
But one thing is certain people need to look beyond the drugs in alot of cases then they longer become an issuse.


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OfflineJstHereFrTheCake
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Registered: 01/05/07
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: akb112211]
    #7719024 - 12/05/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think the fact that you refer to a legal substance as a "loop hole in the law" discredits you immediately. It's not a loop hole its a right. We have the right to buy this stuff and the right to use it, it is legal and therefore we aren't even breaking any laws by talking about it.

You are talking about suicide for fear of death. You are telling everyone to take their actions underground for fear of being pushed underground. Suicide for the fear of death.

These aren't loopholes and you don't expand your rights under the law by being submissive to laws that don't even exist.

Yeah it sucks that "they" can take your rights away so easily if "they" decide to, but maybe that just means everyone should get off your ass and do something. I have no problem breaking the law but that doesn't mean I don't want to see an end to prohibition. Honestly though there are bigger issues in this country other than whether this stuff stays or becomes illegal.


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Invisiblethedudenj
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7719064 - 12/05/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

now Cake thats where your wrong we dont have a right to use it as a substance. a good deal of these things are legal only under the pretense that they arnt being used in that manner. Good example is morning glory or any other LSA plant,cacti,dmt plants, and you know the list goes on. your eating a packet of morning glory seeds and cop video tapes you your up for the charges of crystal lsa. People do get arrested for having cactus powder. so yeah it is kinda a loop hole in the sense you can get it and use it as long as you dont get caught


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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
    #7720264 - 12/05/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

JstHereFrTheCake said:

You are talking about suicide for fear of death.




Nice analogy. Buy it used?


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Offlineg00ru
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Re: inevitable demise...PLEASE READ [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7720850 - 12/05/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Drugs ARE more underground now. Just because information is more widely available doesn't mean drugs are more mainstream. In the 60's and 70's drugs started a movement encompassing a generation, influencing every aspect of popular culture possible. Plus if you look at the stats, many more people smoked weed and tripped up until the mid 70s.


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Offlineakb112211
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Re: inevitable demise(re-thought not recanted) [Re: akb112211]
    #7723090 - 12/06/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks everyone for your responses and discussion. I have a clearer view and a more open mind regarding these things I mentioned. I feel I have cleared up the origins of my frustrations.
So, perhaps we are not heading for an "inevitable demise". Poor subject name perhaps?
We will indeed have psychoactives in one form or another as long as we are around to experience them. I think my frustrations lie with their popularity and irresponsible people. But, what would the world be without irresponsible people? 'Irresponsible' is subjective anyway. I know.
Spending so much time online and in "counter-culture" communities like the shroomery made me forget how small but significant this "movement" is.
The thing is, I read international headlines daily. As many of us do. I also read the shroomery headlines. This makes it seem as if drug related news is as significant as all other world news. I was taken in by my own hype.

Having said that, I am still frustrated with the way some people respond to freedom. But that is life. Isn't it?:ohwell:

This thread has become a mirror unto myself...now, to deal with that.
thanks:thumbup:


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Nor is there now,
The wholly criticized
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