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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7718040 - 12/04/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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They have video footage from the eagles game that shows them running an audible every time the eagles blitzed even when they wernt showing. Not to mention they constantly put random key players on the injured list.




And neither of those are cheating.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7718485 - 12/05/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree that the pats would destroy the jets 99 out of 100 times. BUT we dont know for sure what would of happened if they were not cheating. So how can we justify giving them an undefeated season on probability. They need an asterisk.





How did they have an unfair advantage over the Jets in that game? Their photographer was taping signs from the sidelines, he got caught, we never even saw the tape before, during or after the game - so how was there an advantage in that game??


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Liz]
    #7718924 - 12/05/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree that the pats would destroy the jets 99 out of 100 times. BUT we dont know for sure what would of happened if they were not cheating. So how can we justify giving them an undefeated season on probability. They need an asterisk.





How did they have an unfair advantage over the Jets in that game? Their photographer was taping signs from the sidelines, he got caught, we never even saw the tape before, during or after the game - so how was there an advantage in that game??




That's what I was trying to elude to with my boxing analogy. Of course you get an asterisk if steroids are involved (COUGH BONDS COUGH) because steroids have a direct effect on the performance.

Taping something in which the tape was never seen would seem to me a minor infraction since it didn't (that we know of) affect the game. If it was discovered that the tape was a live feed to the Patriots coaching staff box, then sure asterisk the hell out of that game.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
    #7719416 - 12/05/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

... The patriots handed over footage they taped from a lot of teams. Last i knew they are under investigation back to that superbowl i mentioned.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719424 - 12/05/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What does last year have to do with an asterisk on this year's season?


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719457 - 12/05/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The fact that if they have video tapes of the teams signals..... Teams which they played especially conference games that they should have an asterisk. They were caught red handed in the jets game is why I use that as an example.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719497 - 12/05/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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... The patriots handed over footage they taped from a lot of teams. Last i knew they are under investigation back to that superbowl i mentioned.




That I was completely unaware of. So they've admitted to taping other teams last season? Have any links detailing this?


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
    #7719512 - 12/05/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its pretty much common knowledge that they have done this for a long time.

Like I said earlier, the only way that the Jets coach knew it was going on was because when he had been a coach on Bellicheck's team they had been doing the same thing.

So he alerted the NFL to look out for it, and that is how they (NFL) ended up catching the Pats.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719601 - 12/05/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

According to that article they could have handed over home movies and copies of high school playbooks.

They don't say what was on the video's. Don't you think they would have made a much larger deal out of this if say everything they handed over showed that they'd been taping sidelines or play calling for an extended period of time?


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
    #7719903 - 12/05/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They burned all of it so it wouldnt be used..... are you a fanboy ?


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719917 - 12/05/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And you hate them just for the sake of hating them.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719935 - 12/05/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I hate them for the sake of ruining the integrity of the game. Its bad enough the players are being banned for steroids etc now we have to worry about this crap? The patriots are one of the biggest cheating and unfair play teams of the era and the fact that people are associating them with being the best of the best sends a terrible message.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719936 - 12/05/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quite the opposite actually. My dad's whole side of the family is from New England and I'm a San Fransisco fan so I give them as much shit about their team and particularly this event earlier in the season as possible. I just think it's ridiculous to assume that event helped them win the game against the Jets at all.

In a lot of professional sports the attitude is you're not cheating unless you're caught.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719970 - 12/05/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They didn't even get to use the film against the Jets, so how did it help them win? Also, they seem to manage to blow out almost everyone else they play even afterwards. So how much help was the play stealing?

If your team was caught cheating, I'm sure you'd be defending them right now.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Redstorm]
    #7719979 - 12/05/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im a cowboys fan and I didnt complain at all when a coach was suspended for HGH so?????


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7719983 - 12/05/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Im a cowboys fan





That explains everything


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
    #7719994 - 12/05/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhh me being a cowboys fan explains everything because if i was a Giants or Panthers fan you could have some other moronism of an answer to make what the patriots did ok


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
    #7720089 - 12/05/07 03:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nah it's just Cowboys fans are the most stubborn of all fans, especially when talking about a competing team (We got 5 Superbowls first, haha).

I never said it was ok, I said it didn't help them win the game.


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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
    #7720126 - 12/05/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think NYG and buffalo bills fans are the most stubborn


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