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Patriots Asterisk
#7713881 - 12/04/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would the patriots not get an asterisk in the record book for any stats that include the Jets game?
Especially for a perfect season. How do you get credited for a perfect season when you got caught cheating in one of the games you won?
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7714568 - 12/04/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not that serious of an infraction.
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How is capturing the opposing teams plays and hand signals so that you can run the perfect audible in response not a serious infraction?
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7714658 - 12/04/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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News flash: Sign stealing is legal in the NFL! It's perfectly permissible. Coaches, players, interested fans, television watchers, and anyone else among the thousands of folks observing an NFL game can study the histrionics of the coaches, note the defensive alignment, and steal the signs.
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All the NFL rule prohibits is using a photographer to facilitate the sign stealing.
The Patriots broke a very minor part of a rule. I hate the Patriots with a fucking passion, but I get sick of people claiming that they violated some sacred sign-stealing rule.
No, they didn't.
They just took a few pictures.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7714792 - 12/04/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Plus it was the Jets.
They could have taken pictures of their own plays and sent them to the Jets and still won that game.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7715329 - 12/04/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jadian said: Plus it was the Jets.
They could have taken pictures of their own plays and sent them to the Jets and still won that game.
QFT.
Seriously - the jets could have asked the Pats permission before they ran certain plays and STILL lost.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7715352 - 12/04/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its not just a question of that game. You have to wonder how often they had done that and for how long. Personally, I think they have done it numerous times and this was the only time they were caught. I also, however, am fair and I dont think its safe to assume (on a professional level) that they did it more than just this time. If the league thinks they did, they would need evidence.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: AaronEvil]
#7715475 - 12/04/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think anyone argues that that was the first time they cheated.
The only reason Man-Genius knew to tell the league was that him and Billy used to do it together.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: AaronEvil]
#7715638 - 12/04/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This happened their FIRST game of the season. It's not like this went on all year and they just caught it. They were stopped from doing this on the first game, and haven't been doing it since. So, they've won 12 games in a row, 11 of them since this incident, and they should have an asterisk next to their season if they go undefeated? I don't think so.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: AaronEvil]
#7715734 - 12/04/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Its not just a question of that game. You have to wonder how often they had done that and for how long. Personally, I think they have done it numerous times and this was the only time they were caught. I also, however, am fair and I dont think its safe to assume (on a professional level) that they did it more than just this time. If the league thinks they did, they would need evidence.
You're talking as if the Patriots are the only one that does it. I was trying to come up with a clever analogy to compare this to but I'm too drugged up on cold medication.
Basically all teams do this to a degree or another, and the Pat's got caught, big whoop.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7716131 - 12/04/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Evidence?
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: AaronEvil]
#7716421 - 12/04/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You want evidence that teams try to get an advantage over their opponents? Are you serious?
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7716987 - 12/04/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ummm video taping signs etc is a pretty big deal. And any patriot fanboys that say its very minor and they would of beat the jets anyway is terrible thats an assumption i agree very likely but that is no way minor to the jets and their fans
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7717105 - 12/04/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, let's see. First game of the year. Before halftime. Cameraman busted. Nobody sees any of the film. Pats kill Jets. Yep, I think they would've beaten them even without the film. Since they did.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7717346 - 12/04/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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CJJ said: Ummm video taping signs etc is a pretty big deal. And any patriot fanboys that say its very minor and they would of beat the jets anyway is terrible thats an assumption i agree very likely but that is no way minor to the jets and their fans
All that has been "minor" this year for the Jets is their skill level. The jets are 3-9 and the pats are 12-0. Regardless of what happened in the 1st game of the season, the Jets are fucking awful, and the Pats are unbelievable, and find ways to win games that they don't even play well in.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Liz]
#7717388 - 12/04/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree that the pats would destroy the jets 99 out of 100 times. BUT we dont know for sure what would of happened if they were not cheating. So how can we justify giving them an undefeated season on probability. They need an asterisk.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: CJJ]
#7717397 - 12/04/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You aren't going to put an asterisk next to the winner of a boxing match where a guy dominates and knocks the other guy out just because he hit the other guy with one low blow.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7717465 - 12/04/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ummm you would take away that boxers win or vacate the title if he was on steroids.... the point is unfair advantages = ASTERISK
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: Jadian]
#7717957 - 12/04/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jadian said: You want evidence that teams try to get an advantage over their opponents? Are you serious?
No, I want evidence that every other team video tapes which is what has been eluded to. I know teams try to get a competitive advantage, but most teams stay within the league rules to do so.
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Re: Patriots Asterisk [Re: AaronEvil]
#7717976 - 12/04/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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They have video footage from the eagles game that shows them running an audible every time the eagles blitzed even when they wernt showing. Not to mention they constantly put random key players on the injured list.
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