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Re: humans are robots [Re: Icelander]
    #7719686 - 12/05/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
I change my mind from last night. Although we may be robots, there are some people out there who are good enough imitations of the real thing.

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Beyond that we have a culture that creates a "hyper reality" that has nothing much to do with our natural reality




This is very strange indeed. From my perspective, this hyper reality has a life of its own in the minds of individuals - it exists because enough people believe it does. I examined it once while on LSD, and it kind of looked like this picture:



This hyper reality limits the mind greatly and stifles self expression in those that put their faith in it. I'd go so far to say that it is a virus in consciousness. 




Interesting you say virus as in the movie  The Matrix. So...Want to take an amazing look at the rabbit hole? I totally recommend this book to everyone. A Beginner's Guide to REALITY, by Jim Baggott The book for anyone who has ever wondered what is real and how we know.:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:




Thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely check it out. So far every book that has been recommended to me on the Shroomery has been a very good read, but I'm not surprised.


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Re: humans are robots [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7722433 - 12/05/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, having emotions is stupid. :rolleyes:
Feeling embarrassed or fearsome is low and robots kick ass for not feeling all that shit.:rolleyes:
I have no respect and tolerance towards this kind of thinking, it is a low and pathetic way of acting like sorry asses, running away from responsibility and it always leads to psychosis.
Being human is such a complex and interesting experience and limiting our awareness only to these aspects, emphasizing only this aspect of who we are is just sad and frankly is a place where I don't want to be.
We have all the means to make our lives the way we want, to work on ourselves and become our ideal, feel everything there is to feel in this human form... it is all part of this amazing experience. Why should we feel disgusted for what we are? Tell me, what's the reason for doing so, when instead we could choose to let this life flow naturally, wonder at the multitude of ways in which we exist and coexist?
Yes, we have robot characteristics. But are these the only ones that we have? Didn't we, by any chance, create those robots? Can robots create? I think that maybe the most important trait that we have is exactly this creativity and ability to expand it in every possible aspect of our lives. :mushroom2:




buddy please quit rolling your eyes.

I never said it was "low" to have emotions.  And I never said that having emotions is stupid.  I said humans sometimes act in very stupid and irrational ways because of them.  You're just pissing yourself off because you misunderstood my post.


The fact that you would think I would have no appreciation for humans, life, creation, and the power we have bestowed in all those aspects bothers me.  I love being human, I love my family, I love my friends and I love this experience (most of the time).  I wouldn't trade them for anything.  Yes.. emotions are very complex indeed..

I was just pointing out the fact that a robot that has the ability to think in such complex yet rigid ways would easily sway his way around "emotions".  A very beaurocratic system of the mind would easily flush the whole "emotion" agenda down the fuckin toilet.  I am not one of those, however I will be critical of some emotions and the human behaviour that results, because this is an honest universe, and in the universe there are honest mistakes.

Emotions are a double edged sword bro..

Motherfucker flies sky-high opressing an entire population because makes him feel "big"... to control.  Makes him go to bed with a smile on his fat fuckin face.  This is something that a human might do. Now, what does that emotion serve for creation?  Does is serve an absurd cause?  What does it serve for the cosmos and All-That-Is?


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Re: humans are robots [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7722484 - 12/05/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Emotions are a double edged sword anyways..




If emotions are neither good nor bad.. then there seems little point in getting angry about them. not that i'm saying there's anything wrong with anger..

in your example it sounds like you're talking about desire, not emotion. in my opinion, desires and emotions aren't necessarily "useful" for anything, they are just a product of a universe of infinite possibility.

btw mushroomtrip is a girl


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Re: humans are robots [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7723491 - 12/06/07 08:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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buddy please quit rolling your eyes.






:smirk: :rolleyes:

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I never said it was "low" to have emotions. And I never said that having emotions is stupid. I said humans sometimes act in very stupid and irrational ways because of them. You're just pissing yourself off because you misunderstood my post.

The fact that you would think I would have no appreciation for humans, life, creation, and the power we have bestowed in all those aspects bothers me. I love being human, I love my family, I love my friends and I love this experience (most of the time). I wouldn't trade them for anything. Yes.. emotions are very complex indeed..




So you're saying that it's not stupid to feel embarrassed or frustrated, but it's stupid to act according to those feelings. What's the difference? :strokebeard:
Honestly I fail to see it. :confused:
Generally when someone feels fear or frustration acts as influenced by those feelings. And most of the times the reaction is not so intelligent or wise. It's cause and effect. You can't say that you're ok with the cause but it's the effect that sucks, because those two are directly related.
It is true that there are a limited number of cases in which people are able to control those emotions and stop acting so stupid, but that's already a different discussion.
So if any, you misunderstood your post, not me. :shrug:
Let's see again what you said:

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Even think of embarassment. Thats like the worst.. being embarassed infront of alot of people. We feel stupid and turn beet-red and act in strange ways. Robots wouldn't do that shit.





Sounds pretty obvious to me.
Also I fail to see the point of comparing humans with robots in that domain.
Of course, you could argue and say that you made this statement because it true.
And then I could argue and say that it is exactly why I'm wondering about your reasons. The fact that robots don't have emotions and humans have is SO obvious that it doesn't need to be specified just for the sake of specifying it. Which means that the purpose was a lot more. And using deduction, :sherlock: correlating this statement with others that you made, leads me to the conclusion that you were just using that to whine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, in a civilized way if possible. :smirk:

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I was just pointing out the fact that a robot that has the ability to think in such complex yet rigid ways would easily sway his way around "emotions". A very beaurocratic system of the mind would easily flush the whole "emotion" agenda down the fuckin toilet. I am not one of those, however I will be critical of some emotions and the human behaviour that results, because this is an honest universe, and in the universe there are honest mistakes.

Emotions are a double edged sword bro..




And I am pointing out that humans can rid themselves of acting "stupid" too, and they don't need to lose their emotions.
This happens when we decide to stop lying to ourselves and understand our reasons. Feeling and reasoning don't have to exclude each other. In fact, it seems to work the best when we use them together.

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Motherfucker flies sky-high opressing an entire population because makes him feel "big"... to control. Makes him go to bed with a smile on his fat fuckin face. This is something that a human might do. Now, what does that emotion serve for creation? Does is serve an absurd cause? What does it serve for the cosmos and All-That-Is?




Nobody "controls" anybody. I keep hearing this thing that in this world there are those who control and those who are being controlled. It's far from being true. I would go up to the point that there are people who try to impose their will on others, and that there are also people who allow this kind of behavior. I'm sure that you're able to understand the distinction. Both rulers and ruled consciously choose and assume their roles.
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"This is something that a human might do."


As opposed to robot? What if a robot is programmed to act with authority? :tongue:
As EternalCowabunga said, I don't think that emotion are here for a purpose in the ways you suggest. It is all a part of the experience of being human. That we are able to find a (personal) purpose to emotions is entirely different and it doesn't mean that the Universe is trying to tell us something through them. Or that we modify the cosmos each time we make use of emotions.


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Re: humans are robots [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7726763 - 12/06/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok ms. teasy thighs... you got me!

I think I can sum up my thoughts like this.. even though I may not have made sense before.

Emotions are for guidance. They exist for a reason. Human interpretation of emotions nowadays is flawd and we have been programmed to percieve our life and the external world in a completely different way than what was intended. Intended by whom? The robots.


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Re: humans are robots [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7726919 - 12/06/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Everything you think is completely subjective. Do you want to be a robot? Yea, you can look at it like that... The again we created the idea of robots, so how can you use something we created to define ourselves? ;o


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Re: humans are robots [Re: ObliviousSeeker]
    #7727087 - 12/07/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is all very interesting, however what about the Annunaki?

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