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First time w/ Mescaline
    #7712961 - 12/03/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys,  I consider myself an experienced tripper however I have yet to indulge myself in mescaline-containing cacti.  I recently have found myself very interested in this chemical from reading some of the trip reports on erowid and the like.  Most say that compared to lsd and psilocybin it's rather tame, but not weak.  It also has a euphoric element in it that is comparable to MDMA which is a plus.  I'm gonna buy my cactus from this site;http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/ethnobotanicals-pedro-cactus-c-60_77.html
And I will use this tek as I'm inexperienced with extractions;http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

Would a 12-inch cutting be a sufficient dose?  I would like to have a proper trip probably best comparable to the intensity of 3.5 grams of cubies or 2 hits of good blotter.  What do you guys think?peace:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7712965 - 12/03/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm planning on embarking on a nature trip, probably by myself as I find I get the most out of my trips that way, just me and nature.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7713019 - 12/03/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lets all take some Mescaline!

I really want to but :sad: still haven't got around to it


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7713020 - 12/03/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Would a 12-inch or 18-inch cutting be preffered?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Phishe]
    #7713028 - 12/03/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Lets all take some Mescaline!

I really want to but :sad: still haven't got around to it




Why not just order it online?  Do you still live with your parents?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7713034 - 12/03/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

From what I hear they vary in potency greatly, but i'd say go for 18 inches :geordinod:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Phishe]
    #7713086 - 12/03/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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From what I hear they vary in potency greatly, but i'd say go for 18 inches :geordinod:




Yea that's what I was thinking lol:thumbup:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7713333 - 12/03/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Erowid recommends a 4-8 inch long cutting. Link

But perhaps you want something a little more intense.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
    #7713368 - 12/03/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Erowid recommends a 4-8 inch long cutting. Link

But perhaps you want something a little more intense.




Oh, well I'll prolly get a 12-inch cutting then!


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7714848 - 12/04/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BB's foot long cuttings are great! If they still have it, go for the odd ball cacti.

I always advise against anyone using the blender method!! There is no need for blending if you are boiling.

Here's a video greatly simplifying the whole process.



I would take a few more minutes and cut out the core from each slice though, just for a better tasting brew. Seriously, the spines don't matter! They soften with boiling.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7715444 - 12/04/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like the dude in the back grounds reaction at the end. hahaha


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: WeedyWonka]
    #7715469 - 12/04/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So would a prominent trip come from eating a 12 inch cutting generally?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: WeedyWonka]
    #7715473 - 12/04/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dude lol.. mescaline is THE SHIT!, especially trippin outside weeeeeeeeeeeeee


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: StreetFreak]
    #7715791 - 12/04/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So I'm confused...say I extract the mescaline out of a 12-inch (or whatever size) cactus. Do I drink the whole thing to get a good solid trip, or do I just eyeball out a dose into a cup?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7715826 - 12/04/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

...Don't think part of your first post is allowed, mang.

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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: g00ru]
    #7716083 - 12/04/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They say not to measure dose by length, but by weight since girth varies so much.

Look, a foot long cutting is usually gonna do it. If not, it may take some experimenting before you can look at a cactus and know about what experience you'll get.

But, yeah, you want to drink all the liquid you concentrate. You should plan out doses based on how much cactus you start with, then you'll know how many doses are in the liquid you make.

If you extract 12 in, you want to drink all of it. If you extract 24 for two people, then split it. You see what I mean?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7716204 - 12/04/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i'd be interested in knowing how your extraction works out. also how the vendor works out and how much it cost.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7716916 - 12/04/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He doesn't say how long to boil it for.

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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7716948 - 12/04/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i'd be interested in knowing how your extraction works out. also how the vendor works out and how much it cost.




Mos def man:thumbup:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
    #7718668 - 12/05/07 07:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't say how long to boil it for.

:confused:




If you boil it for longer than 30min it should be ok.

I would go for an hour or more though.

Come on man, it's basic extraction stuff. Hot water dissolves the alkaloids from the cactus. How long do YOU think that would take?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7718830 - 12/05/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well if he knew that answer he probably wouldn't have asked, ey?

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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7718851 - 12/05/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't say how long to boil it for.

:confused:




If you boil it for longer than 30min it should be ok.

I would go for an hour or more though.

You need to boil if for way way way way longer than that. I've heard upwards to six hours for a good extraction. Also why not buy the 18 inch and cut off four inchs and plant it. That way there you get this trip. Plus many more.

Come on man, it's basic extraction stuff. Hot water dissolves the alkaloids from the cactus. How long do YOU think that would take?




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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: opensaysme]
    #7718857 - 12/05/07 09:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's kind of common sense.

Maybe I'm trying to teach someone how to fish...


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7718863 - 12/05/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe to you, my point is why not just help the person if you got something to say, rather then add an insult. Isn't this what the shroomery is for? Sharing of information?

Certainly isn't a who's got the biggest dick contest, not everyone here has spent time extracting chemicals or purveying entheogens,  ease up :thumbup:  :peace:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: opensaysme]
    #7718900 - 12/05/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the first method the result was a green liquid, and the other technique on the video was a black syrup...

I'm guessing the one on the video is stronger.

I have yet to try Mesc, but i cant wait, now that i know how easy it is to extract.... Where can i get cactus? I think a headshop nearby has clippings maybe ill check them out soon.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #7719125 - 12/05/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why don't you guys just do the HCL extraction?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7719886 - 12/05/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Had my 1st experience with p. torch recently...I decided to do tea instead of an a/b extraction and I think I will continue to do that for meaningful trips.

What a day that was...damn... I hope you have a good time.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: opensaysme]
    #7721546 - 12/05/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was just saying that if someone's gonna start brewing things, he better get used to the 'trial and error' mentality. That includes making guesses about what you think is going on, and trying things based on those.

Wasn't trying to be a dick, man, and I didn't really mean to insult anyone.

Why don't you ease up...

About the video though, I've never gotten black syrup really, or I wouldn't describe it as that. I just boil it all down to a shot a dose and it's usually greenish. Thick and nasty... snotlike.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7724666 - 12/06/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

would a 24 inch cutting be to much for a first timer with Mescaline? SWIM has used mushrooms about 20 times and LSD about a dozen along with 2 DOC trips, and 3 or 4 times with X.... is 24 inches too much?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: apfrommsp]
    #7724755 - 12/06/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

naw man go with 30 :rocket:


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: apfrommsp]
    #7724790 - 12/06/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It'll be a strong trip, but surely you can handle it. Physical discomfort also increases with dose.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7725687 - 12/06/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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He doesn't say how long to boil it for.

:confused:




If you boil it for longer than 30min it should be ok.

I would go for an hour or more though.

Come on man, it's basic extraction stuff. Hot water dissolves the alkaloids from the cactus. How long do YOU think that would take?




Uh... I have no idea, thats why I asked. Hot water dissolves sugar in seconds, mescaline in hours, and THC never.

Why go with trial and error if you can just ask around and find good advice?


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
    #7726770 - 12/06/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I really wasn't trying to come off as a dick.

I just see learning to brew as developing a relationship with the plant. I screwed up a lot of different batches and tried a lot of different things to get me to the method I have now, and really it's just what works for me. You should find what works for you, I was just trying to encourage you to do that.

But yeah, pure mescaline dissolves in hot water within seconds too. The long boil is just to pull all of it out of the plant material.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7727330 - 12/07/07 03:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Richii said,
"Why go with trial and error if you can just ask around and find good advice?"


True, but why ask when theirs a search button? Isn't trial and error part of life? I mean, getting to a stage with less error is our goal, but some error is always necessary to make you think a little bit. How else do we truly learn?

Also, I concur exactly with what ReoSpeedwagon said. We all have different methods. Develop your own relationship w/ your substances.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: akb112211]
    #7745513 - 12/11/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Alright alright I see what you guys are getting at... I'll get to know him in due time.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
    #7745637 - 12/11/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Will be fun


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: primal21]
    #7766258 - 12/16/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

First time was unsuccessful, I cut the skin off of 3 fair sized san pedro cacti, for myself and 1 friend. Averaged at 9 inches each, what seemed to be a medium dose form what I've read.

We put them in boiling water, boiled for 45 minutes, then strained and continued to boil till it was reduced to a drinkable size. The cactus went from a dark green to the color you see in the pictures.

About an hour after consumption I got a "funny" or goofy feeling, similar to the come up with mushrooms, but very mild. This lasted for an hour then slowly mellowed out. Nothing else.

Any ideas?






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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Coaster]
    #7766274 - 12/16/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That pic is funny, it's like you're floating through the universe w/ your cactus


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Robo]
    #7766283 - 12/16/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Richii]
    #7766298 - 12/16/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

man some people here are total jack-asses

instead of letting him totally fuck up on his first time.....

why dont you just tell him YOUR method...so he can try it exactly step-by-step and see what happens. Shit.

Its not like it could hurt if you tell him your method, but it damn sure could make him waste some of his plant if you dont. Its common god damn sense...Now he's wasted 2 9 inch cuttings. :/

You act like just because you fucked up your first time that everyone else should just to learn....That is asinine.

It would be like albert hoffman giving the person he was gonna teach how to make acid for the first time...but giving him incomplete instructions, just so he can "figure it out himself"

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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Robo]
    #7766320 - 12/16/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

they should b playing the willy wonka song u no the 1 in the begining when u see all the candy being made
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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Coaster]
    #7767075 - 12/16/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

akb112211 or ReoSpeedwagon? Where did I go wrong and what did you do to successfully prepare your cacti.

Or anyone else that has brewed a tea successfully.

I'm also not too sure about that extraction video, it doesn't list molarities or even amounts for some of the chemicals used. Where does one acquire Hcl, NaOH, and Xylene anyway... I'll go check home depot.


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: Helpme1]
    #7767167 - 12/16/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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man some people here are total jack-asses

instead of letting him totally fuck up on his first time.....

why dont you just tell him YOUR method...so he can try it exactly step-by-step and see what happens. Shit.

Its not like it could hurt if you tell him your method, but it damn sure could make him waste some of his plant if you dont. Its common god damn sense...Now he's wasted 2 9 inch cuttings. :/

You act like just because you fucked up your first time that everyone else should just to learn....That is asinine.

It would be like albert hoffman giving the person he was gonna teach how to make acid for the first time...but giving him incomplete instructions, just so he can "figure it out himself"

douche.




QFT

some people here have such big ego's......

im sure the first time they did extractions they didn't just go based on guesses, most people either look up a tek or ask fellow shroomerites for advice. what is the shroomery good for if not something like this?

if you feel willing to help someone out with shit then great! if not then keep your mouth shut and save the off the cuff comments for the OTD


Edited by opensaysme (12/16/07 08:13 PM)


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Re: First time w/ Mescaline [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #11031625 - 09/09/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
Hey guys,  I consider myself an experienced tripper however I have yet to indulge myself in mescaline-containing cacti.  I recently have found myself very interested in this chemical from reading some of the trip reports on erowid and the like.  Most say that compared to lsd and psilocybin it's rather tame, but not weak.  It also has a euphoric element in it that is comparable to MDMA which is a plus.  I'm gonna buy my cactus from this site;http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/ethnobotanicals-pedro-cactus-c-60_77.html
And I will use this tek as I'm inexperienced with extractions;http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml

Would a 12-inch cutting be a sufficient dose?  I would like to have a proper trip probably best comparable to the intensity of 3.5 grams of cubies or 2 hits of good blotter.  What do you guys think?peace:heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart::heart:




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