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Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA]
    #7712579 - 12/03/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not too bright...

Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom
December 3, 2007 - turnto23.com

SHAFTER, Calif. -- A Shafter High School teacher is under arrest Monday night in connection with manufacturing methamphetamine on campus, according to the Bakersfield Police Department.

Investigators searched the home and classroom of chemistry teacher Jeff Scheidemantel and found recipes for the manufacture of methamphetamine, several firearms and chemicals used to make methamphetamine.

Authorities also found computer equipment storing information regarding the manufacture of methamphetamine.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: veggie]
    #7712653 - 12/03/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

not so secret tweaker pad


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: veggie]
    #7713362 - 12/03/07 10:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Makes for a good reply in chemistry class when the kids ask "When are we ever going to need to know this stuff anyways?".


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: drew345]
    #7713369 - 12/03/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But...

That is the last place someone would look.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7713499 - 12/03/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

holy shit. meth in a chem lab?????

what a surprise.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7713508 - 12/03/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

damn.. when you talk about meth labs, they're usually low key scummies like underground trailors and brackish kiddi-pools in the deep south, not high profile ass chem class shit...

why not cook up some molly?? maybe then the community wouldn't be so upset with yer tweakin ass, right?? damn..!


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Alphanautics]
    #7714025 - 12/04/07 05:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My High School Chem teacher cooked Acid. It WAS the ‘60’s though.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] *DELETED* [Re: JaComet]
    #7714470 - 12/04/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Chemy]
    #7715715 - 12/04/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As a chemist, I can vouch for this guy being a dickweed. More bad rep for chemistry. Say bye-bye to home experimenters.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Chemy]
    #7715786 - 12/04/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Chemy said:
If he was a chemistry teacher why would he need "recipes" for making this garbage?
Sounds fishy to me.




Have you ever met a highschool chemistry teacher?

I went to some summer school, and with that and first year, I took more chem than the chemistry teachers have to take for a bachler's.

Most teachers learn more about teaching theory and other bullshit than about the subject there supposed to be teaching.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] *DELETED* [Re: johnm214]
    #7716059 - 12/04/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Chemy]
    #7716113 - 12/04/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, but I really don't think this is so.

The listed chemicals aren't illegal to posses, only to sell as a regular course of buisness- (though there are illegal assembly and conspiracy/attempt laws that could also be invoked).


But why would this guy have phosphorus? I don't get it... what would you use that for? Iodine can be a neat sublimation expirement.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: johnm214]
    #7716804 - 12/04/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But why would this guy have phosphorus?

Red phosphorus is a key ingredient in most popular synthetic routes to methamphetamine. It's used to make a component of the reaction that reduces (pseudo)ephedrine to methamphetamine and to shift the equilibrium of another reaction to keep it from undoing itself when you turn off the heat to the reaction vessel.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Diploid]
    #7716936 - 12/04/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh yeah, I get that part...

I was saying that schools and institutions get accounts w/ chemical suppliers very easy, and can order pretty much anything (legally, so can you unless its scheduled or state law prohibits it but alot of chompanies won't sell to you w/out hassles).

But once you place the order, how do you justify it when the school asks or the DEA wonders what the school is doing w/ red phosphorus?

I've never seen and alcohol-reduction in any highschool nor a general college organic class, that I recall, that used phosphorus.

Just not that basic of a reaction.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: johnm214]
    #7717293 - 12/04/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was saying that schools and institutions get accounts w/ chemical suppliers very easy

Not in this case. Red and White Phosphorus is on DEA List 1. Unless you're a licensed pharmaceutical company, you can't get it legally.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Diploid]
    #7717479 - 12/04/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not true man.

You and I can buy it legally under federal law (at least for red, I don't know about white).

List I only puts restrictions on suppliers, generally. It is illegal to purchase for the purpose of manufacturing, or fraudulently, but you can buy it no probs if someone will sell it to you.

I believe your confusing List and Scheduled terminology, which are not the same thing.

And being a pharmaceutical company has nothing to do with the scheduled drugs per se. Anyone complying w/ state regs and having need of a scheduled substance can apply. This includes researchers in chemistry, biology, pharmacy, and medicine, among others. Plenty of list I chemicals are perfectly innocuous anyways.

I've worked w/ hypophosporic acid, iodine, and consumed ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. None of that was illegal.

Take a look at List II for some real insane shit.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: johnm214]
    #7717538 - 12/04/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not true man.

It IS true. Red and White Phosphorus has been DEA List I since 2001.

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Drug Enforcement Administration

21 CFR Parts 1309 and 1310

Control of Red Phosphorus, White Phosphorus and Hypophosphorous
Acid (and its salts) as List I Chemicals

ACTION: Final Rule with request for comments.

SUMMARY: This rulemaking finalizes a September 25, 2000 Notice of
Proposed Rulemaking (65 FR 57577) in which DEA proposed the addition of
red phosphorus, white phosphorus (also known as yellow phosphorus) and
hypophosphorous acid (and its salts) as List I chemicals. This action
is being taken because of the use and importance of these chemicals in
the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine (a Schedule II controlled
substance).

As List I chemicals, all handlers of these materials will be subject to
CSA chemical regulatory controls
including registration, recordkeeping,
reporting, and import/export requirements. The Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA) has determined that these controls are necessary
to prevent the diversion of these chemicals to clandestine drug
laboratories.

Given the small quantities of these chemicals necessary for the
production of methamphetamine, no threshold is being established for
domestic and international transactions. As such, all transactions
(regardless of size) shall be considered regulated transactions

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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Diploid]
    #7717558 - 12/04/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, I was saying you can legally buy it, unless there are some requirements related to the possible pyrotechnic uses of it.

I agree it is list I- just saying their is no reason that in-and-of-itself prevents personal purchase or possesion nor penalizes such in the absence of intent to manufacture or fraud, at the federal level.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: johnm214]
    #7717630 - 12/04/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree it is list I- just saying their is no reason that in-and-of-itself prevents personal purchase or possesion

You ARE aware that when the DEA lists a substance, you can no longer possess it legally without explicit permission, aren't you?? That's what "Listing" a substance means.

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As List I chemicals, all handlers of these materials will be subject to CSA chemical regulatory controls including registration, recordkeeping,
reporting, and import/export requirements.



That ^^^ means it's against Federal Law to possess it without a DEA registration.

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Given the small quantities of these chemicals necessary for the
production of methamphetamine, no threshold is being established



That ^^^ means that any quantity, no matter how small, can only be legally possessed by someone with DEA registration.


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Re: Teacher Arrested For Making Meth In Classroom [CA] [Re: Diploid]
    #7717652 - 12/04/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is the federal register, it is neither law nor regulation


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