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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7710959 - 12/03/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You probably already have the tumor, the mushrooms are trying to tell you :rolleyes:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7710962 - 12/03/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dont worry, I think the tumors are benign :tongue:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7710969 - 12/03/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, if you do mushrooms you will most likely die.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7710993 - 12/03/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but you only know its the shrooms that got you if your head splits at the crest and then you just bleed out until the cerebral cortex of your brain eventually implodes


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7710995 - 12/03/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously though, it's silly to think mushrooms could ever give you a tumor or do any real physiological harm to your brain for that matter. Most it could do is negatively affect your nuerochemical functioning, methinks.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7710996 - 12/03/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, man, LSD and mushrooms make your spine go up, making your brain bleed, which is why you trip! My friend told me that and her mom told her that, and she's a doctor! (True story. Don't you just LOOOOOOVE people?)


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711002 - 12/03/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You'll be fine man.

Aslong as you or your family members arent prone to going crazy


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711005 - 12/03/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

She probably worked hard to become a doctor and attended medical school,no doubt. Probably very intelligent, as well.

And to think that all you'd have to do is hop on a computer for five minutes to find that that isn't true :rolleyes:

Maybe people just don't care enough to reasearch :shrug:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711012 - 12/03/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They might alter your psychology. They did to me and many of my friends.

But i wouldn't call it physical damage.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711013 - 12/03/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I also have a friend who thinks LSD and mushrooms are very bad for you, but he can't say exactly HOW they are and flatly REFUSES to do ANY research on the subject.


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    #7711018 - 12/03/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711021 - 12/03/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The truth is, they can be. Exercise caution :strokebeard:

They can also be good for the soul and mind,however :yesnod:

Not to mention spiritual/personal growth and development...


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711027 - 12/03/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's EVER been shown that weed kills brain cells...ever. As for "holes in your brain" I don't think Olney's lesions have ever been demonstrated except with ridiculous amounts of MDMA abuse.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711031 - 12/03/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dissociatives will rape your brain, that's fact :yesnod:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711041 - 12/03/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, yeah, but mostly that's with horrible abuse. Actually, the only drug I can think of that's truly horrible for you even with moderate use is methamphetamine.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711406 - 12/03/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BTW, is there any harm in trying X once? I mean, I'm kinda worried and scared about trying it, from all the bad things I've heard... is it possible for it to permanently damage your serotonin receptors from just one time?


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7711417 - 12/03/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Of course not. The only way to damage yourself with MDMA is to heavily abuse it for an extended period of time, i.e. rolling 2+ times a month for a year+


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711419 - 12/03/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Once a month is alright.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711439 - 12/03/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

noobs are going to read this thread and spread disinformation all across the world.

siekoativ, MDMA will not harm your brain as much as it is made out to. I am not even sure it has that much negative effect at all. I know a few things they might put into a pill of ecstacy might though. So just make sure you've got the real deal. Order a testing kit. :thumbup:

Edit: this thread is about shrooms? FUCK!


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7711479 - 12/03/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

MDMA is harmless unless you don't know how to use it properly. Put yourself in a comfortable setting, keep hydrated, and don't use it too frequently (Because you will like it :yesnod:)

Sure, serotonin depletion is an issue. This is resolved through abstinence.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7711491 - 12/03/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

MDMA WILL cause brain damage, but not with sane, recreational use. MDMA is neurotoxic, so let's not pretend it's harmless. It isn't anywhere near as bad for you as it's made out to be, however.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711495 - 12/03/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but it makes girls look soooo beautiful :smile:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7711509 - 12/03/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MDMA WILL cause brain damage, but not with sane, recreational use. MDMA is neurotoxic, so let's not pretend it's harmless. It isn't anywhere near as bad for you as it's made out to be, however.





Yeah but it has only shown damage from too large of a dose and too frequent of use.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711522 - 12/03/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wish people would stop calling it 'X'.
These days it refers to a whole lot of other shit and additives.
MDMA or nothing :yesnod:
As long as you know your source,it's all good. But watch out, one of these days you might get some PMA in one of those ecstasy pills. It's almost like gambling. MDMA is the least of your worries, trust me.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7711543 - 12/03/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Omni said:
I wish people would stop calling it 'X'.
These days it refers to a whole lot of other shit and additives.
MDMA or nothing :yesnod:
As long as you know your source,it's all good. But watch out, one of these days you might get some PMA in one of those ecstasy pills. It's almost like gambling. MDMA is the least of your worries, trust me.




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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7711573 - 12/03/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Eh.
This thread was about mushrooms, it went off course
I'm a blabbermouth, forgive me :smile2:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711593 - 12/03/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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just askin, i think its fantastic that they dont do any damage, other drugs are proven to damage the brain like weed kills brain cells, alcohol shrinks your brain thru dehydration, cocaine rots holes in your brain.

This is all sceintific fact i think its fantastic that they cant proove shroomz do any bad, there jsut those nights where u trip HARD then you cant sleep ata ll and your brain feels FUKCD!

On the whole i love shroomz...alot




wow.

another tard...and you have been here since 04??

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7711608 - 12/03/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms are not bad for you. If your worried about them causing physical damage they wont. They wont cause any mental damage either, other than bring out mental diseases you were already prone to (eg Schizophrenia).


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: newlife]
    #7711692 - 12/03/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

im a tard for aksing a question? i never really got into the bad for you good for you debate because i wasnt really bothered, after a few years im growing up and care about my health so forgive my ignorance usefulidiot.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711703 - 12/03/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

did i say it was because you asked a question?

NO

it is because you typed up all that blatant mis-information that i quoted.

if you couldnt figure that out, then YES...you are a retard.


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    #7711727 - 12/03/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711735 - 12/03/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you believe everything you read?

how about some links to your "scientific proof"


i dont need to chill out, but you need to learn how to use spell check:yesnod:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711746 - 12/03/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You haven't proven yourself right yet, no one can prove you wrong.

Cite your sources.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: slackophage]
    #7711759 - 12/03/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

seriously.

this guy is a :flowstone:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? *DELETED* [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7711805 - 12/03/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711832 - 12/03/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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brian cells live and die all the time




If by that you mean brain cells, and if by that you mean neurons and the like, then you are incorrect.

What it boils down to, is that we are born with a certain number of "brain cells", that they do not reproduce. If you take care of them, they'll last forever, but start damaging them too much... They're gone for good.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7711875 - 12/03/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

neurons can be made, look up the word neurogenesis, but im afraid chronic is a bit ill informed


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    #7711878 - 12/03/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711889 - 12/03/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

of course you arent going to find it now...bc it doesnt exist.

and you say you read it ages ago? so what makes you think it has any relevance now?

you really should stop with all of this misinformation man. take some time to read up on some things and then come back.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7711901 - 12/03/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dont have a problem with you outside of this thread...i have never seen your posts before.

i just think that the mis-information you have posted is ridiculous and you have no proof on any of it.

stop thinking people are out to get you...you just dont know what you are talking about.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711907 - 12/03/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i dint believe everything i read of course but if a scientific report is put out on a drug and its effects I'm interested in it, I'm coming here asking about it and this dude riding me, you cant talk about it and disprove it you just come in here and go thats not true, I'm not saying it 100% true I'm saying its what Ive heard form scientific reports to be true.





You can't just start flapping your gums, making claims about scientific papers without providing sources. Making vague/incorrect claims is only going to get people pissed at you for spreading misinformation.

If you want comments on a scientific report, or specific things you've seen/read provide a link to it so we know exactly how wrong to prove you. :sherlock:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: slackophage]
    #7711922 - 12/03/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7711931 - 12/03/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7711948 - 12/03/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

just dont worry about it man.

haha i doubt that you are lying...you just dont realize that that shit is propaganda.

like how some people say that mushrooms are poison. that shit is falseeeee niggah.


calm down buddy you're ok.
just post some sources next time you talk about scientific studies, ok?


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7711963 - 12/03/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

cool, im glad we sqaushed it :smile:

i hate propaganda, in ways we're all brainwashed like the masses, cancer paranioa etc...

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7711988 - 12/03/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ironically marijuana has been shwon to do the opposite of destroying neurons, researches have found it actually can protect them.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15921422.400-smoke-for-strokes.html

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The researchers treated rat neurons with toxic levels of glutamate and then tested THC's ability to prevent cell death. They found that extremely low concentrations of THC protected the neurons, suggesting that the cannabinoid receptors might indeed be involved. But to their surprise, CBD gave exactly the same level of protection.





http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7362

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Valbonne, France: The administration of the nonpsychoactive cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD) inhibits prion accumulation in the brain and protects neurons against prion toxicity, according to preclinical data published in the September 5th edition of the Journal of Neuroscience.




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Exposure of primary chick embryo neuronal (CEN) cultures to the carrier ethanol, Mandrax and Cannabis, for 24 h resulted in a significant dose dependent decrease in cell number for Mandarx alone. Increasing concentrations of Cannabis in combination with Mandrax inhibited the toxic effect of Mandrax.




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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: newlife]
    #7712006 - 12/03/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7712016 - 12/03/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a clinical study on the effects of Cannabinoids on brain cells in the hippocampus region.

http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/abstract/JCI25509v1

This study wasn't done with THC, but with HU-210, a cannabinoid several hundred times more potent than THC. Basically, if THC had any chance at all of damaging brain cells or having neurotoxic effects, then, theoretically, HU-210 should show the signs right away.

The study showed that HU-210, at least in rats, cause neurogenesis. HU-210, which should have completely obliterated the brains of these rats (At least, according to the idea that THC damages brain cells), actually gave them more brain cells than they started with.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712019 - 12/03/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

O and yes cocaine can cause brain damage but its not going to "rot holes" thats just absurd mumbo jumbo. Refined drugs are usually not the healthiest thing for you.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712071 - 12/03/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

^Please, don't get into synthetic/refined vs. natural. It makes no difference. Theres plenty of extremely deadly poisons in nature.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7712088 - 12/03/07 05:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My fave shroom myth is that they make your organs bleed.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7712150 - 12/03/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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^Please, don't get into synthetic/refined vs. natural. It makes no difference. Theres plenty of extremely deadly poisons in nature.





I definitely feel that synthetic and natural hallucinogens are equally safe, although refined chemicals are known to be much more dangerous especially in terms of over dose.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712173 - 12/03/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i didnt think it looked like you were starting that debate at all.

nothing in your post says ANYTHING about natural vs synthetic.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7712195 - 12/03/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah im not one of those ignorant hippies who don't actually look at the facts and makes retarded assumptions. Personally I think Ness was the one looking for the argument.:shrug:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712303 - 12/03/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not looking for an argument. I've just talked to a LOT of people who think that natural = safe and refined/synthetic = evil. It's one of my pet peeves :shrug:


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Ness1]
    #7712339 - 12/03/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah chronic you were almost right. Nice find on the sources btw, now we're all a little bit more informed. I didnt know that marijuana can protect neurons. Thats pretty cool.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7712352 - 12/03/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Omni were you formerly Adagio?


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: opensaysme]
    #7712477 - 12/03/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Robo]
    #7712484 - 12/03/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ah cool, i was wondering where you had gone!


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712486 - 12/03/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yeah im not one of those ignorant hippies who don't actually look at the facts and makes retarded assumptions.



Thank god. Damn natural psychoactive purists.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7712532 - 12/03/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Brain cells do replenish, even in adults, but they die faster no matter what you do. It's a fact of life that your brain cells will die bit by bit every day. What that really means is hard to say.

There is, in fact, "scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells. In the 70's during the second reefer madness, many studies were conducted with the intent of justifying marijuana's prohibition. One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.

This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.

As for synthetic vs. natural drugs, it's mostly semantic. LSD is a perfect example of a supposed "synthetic" drug that is every bit as safe and valuable as its natural counterparts.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713357 - 12/03/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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"scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells.





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This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.





Okay, so are you saying that this is actual proof, or in fact being sarcastic about these people doing good research? Perhaps your brand of humor is a little too subtle for me!

Can we clear this up, because I for one would like to have a definitive answer. Is this research bunk or not? I can see one of the causes of brain damage to the animal could also have been the displacement of oxygen, rather than the THC itself.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7713465 - 12/03/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

brain cells can replenish however I think it's limited to the frontal cortex. not sure exactly on that one. as far as marijuana killing brains cells as others have said it protects certain cells. If your the type of person who holds their hits in then oxygen deprivation may be a problem and can certainly kill brain cells but is of no fault of marijuana.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713530 - 12/03/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.





well... its scientific fact that if you suffocate an animal using anything that it will kill brain cells. the experiment is flawed, what proof does it have that the active ingredient in cannabis is killing brain cells and not getting enough oxygen into the brain. they suffocated a chimp? by that it is no different that putting a plastic bag around its head and saying that plastic bags kill brain cells. its oxygen deprivation. obviously when you inhale smoke you are not getting the same amount of oxygen as you would from a normal breath, thereby cutting off oxygen.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7713691 - 12/04/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Question should be reworded to:


Brain 100% OK for Shroomz?


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7713724 - 12/04/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Okay, so are you saying that this is actual proof, or in fact being sarcastic about these people doing good research? Perhaps your brand of humor is a little too subtle for me!




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they suffocated a chimp? by that it is no different that putting a plastic bag around its head and saying that plastic bags kill brain cells. its oxygen deprivation. obviously when you inhale smoke you are not getting the same amount of oxygen as you would from a normal breath, thereby cutting off oxygen.




What I am saying is that NO, weed does not kill brain cells, at all. Hell, weed is FATAL if you stick it in the center of a massive gumball and swallow it whole. In this case, what killed that chimp's braincells was obviously the method of delivery, not the drug itself.

THC actually causes brain cells to grow, as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

The whole idea of weed killing brain cells is bullshit based upon bullshit. It's a straight-up lie, told in convincing tones by deceptive scientists, supported by fixed research, that is the exact opposite of reality.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713735 - 12/04/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Brain cells do replenish, even in adults, but they die faster no matter what you do. It's a fact of life that your brain cells will die bit by bit every day. What that really means is hard to say.

There is, in fact, "scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells. In the 70's during the second reefer madness, many studies were conducted with the intent of justifying marijuana's prohibition. One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.

This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.

As for synthetic vs. natural drugs, it's mostly semantic. LSD is a perfect example of a supposed "synthetic" drug that is every bit as safe and valuable as its natural counterparts.



I think you made yourself quite clear, just some simple misinterpretation.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7713744 - 12/04/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's ironic, though, because the more recent research proving THC's ability to stimulate neurogenesis was performed by the government. :laugh:

Scientists stumble on some pretty neat facts when they're not dominated by an agenda.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7714026 - 12/04/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, no harm intended. hostility was directed at article clip.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7717202 - 12/04/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I actually just read an article in the journal of biochemistry. The title was "Despite strong behavioral disruption, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol
does not affect cell proliferation in the adult mouse
dentate gyrus."

It was a very interesting article. Basically it said that while THC produced strong intoxicating effects it did not show any signs of inhibiting cell growth or killing cells. I'd post it but my school pays for the service and id rather not risk anything.


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Marijuana is a widely abused illicit drug known to cause significant cognitive impairments. Marijuana has been hypothesized to target neurons in the hippocampus because of the abundance of cannabinoid receptors present in this structure. While there is no clear evidence of neuropathology in vivo, suppression of brain mitogenesis, and ultimately neurogenesis, may provide a sensitive index of marijuana's more subtle effects on neural mechanisms subserving cognitive functions. We examined the effects of different doses and treatment regimens of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main active ingredient in marijuana, on cell proliferation in the dentate gyrus of adult male mice. Following drug treatment, the thymidine analog 5-bromo-2′-deoxyuridine (BrdU; 200 mg/kg, i.p.) was administered two hours prior to sacrifice to assess cell proliferation, the first step in neurogenesis. Administration of THC produced dose-dependent catalepsy and suppression of motor activity. The number of BrdU-labeled cells was not significantly changed from vehicle control levels following either acute (1, 3, 10, 30 mg/kg, i.p.), sequential (two injections of 10 or 30 mg/kg, i.p., separated by 5 h), or chronic escalating (20 to 80 mg/kg, p.o.; for 3 weeks) drug administration. Furthermore, acute administration of the potent synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonist R-(+)-WIN 55,212-2 (WIN; 5 mg/kg, i.p.) also had no significant effect on cell proliferation. These findings provide no evidence for an effect of THC on hippocampal cell proliferation, even at doses producing gross behavioral intoxication. Whether marijuana or THC affects neurogenesis remains to be explored.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7717275 - 12/04/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Is this true that sceintific proof shows that shroomz cause no phusical damage to the brian or body, liver kidney etc.....

The one thing i worry about is it causing a brain tumour, sometimes it feels as if my brian is bleeding or something, like watery inside between my skull and brain.....




How do you know what water in between your skull and brain feels like? are you sure you don't just have a headache?


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