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InvisibleRobo
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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7712486 - 12/03/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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DeathCompany said:
yeah im not one of those ignorant hippies who don't actually look at the facts and makes retarded assumptions.



Thank god. Damn natural psychoactive purists.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7712532 - 12/03/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Brain cells do replenish, even in adults, but they die faster no matter what you do. It's a fact of life that your brain cells will die bit by bit every day. What that really means is hard to say.

There is, in fact, "scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells. In the 70's during the second reefer madness, many studies were conducted with the intent of justifying marijuana's prohibition. One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.

This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.

As for synthetic vs. natural drugs, it's mostly semantic. LSD is a perfect example of a supposed "synthetic" drug that is every bit as safe and valuable as its natural counterparts.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713357 - 12/03/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tchan909 said:
"scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells.





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Tchan909 said:
This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.





Okay, so are you saying that this is actual proof, or in fact being sarcastic about these people doing good research? Perhaps your brand of humor is a little too subtle for me!

Can we clear this up, because I for one would like to have a definitive answer. Is this research bunk or not? I can see one of the causes of brain damage to the animal could also have been the displacement of oxygen, rather than the THC itself.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
    #7713465 - 12/03/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

brain cells can replenish however I think it's limited to the frontal cortex. not sure exactly on that one. as far as marijuana killing brains cells as others have said it protects certain cells. If your the type of person who holds their hits in then oxygen deprivation may be a problem and can certainly kill brain cells but is of no fault of marijuana.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713530 - 12/03/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tchan909 said:
One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.





well... its scientific fact that if you suffocate an animal using anything that it will kill brain cells. the experiment is flawed, what proof does it have that the active ingredient in cannabis is killing brain cells and not getting enough oxygen into the brain. they suffocated a chimp? by that it is no different that putting a plastic bag around its head and saying that plastic bags kill brain cells. its oxygen deprivation. obviously when you inhale smoke you are not getting the same amount of oxygen as you would from a normal breath, thereby cutting off oxygen.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7713691 - 12/04/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Question should be reworded to:


Brain 100% OK for Shroomz?


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7713724 - 12/04/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Orbital_Saucer said:
Okay, so are you saying that this is actual proof, or in fact being sarcastic about these people doing good research? Perhaps your brand of humor is a little too subtle for me!




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KrishnaDreamer said:
they suffocated a chimp? by that it is no different that putting a plastic bag around its head and saying that plastic bags kill brain cells. its oxygen deprivation. obviously when you inhale smoke you are not getting the same amount of oxygen as you would from a normal breath, thereby cutting off oxygen.




What I am saying is that NO, weed does not kill brain cells, at all. Hell, weed is FATAL if you stick it in the center of a massive gumball and swallow it whole. In this case, what killed that chimp's braincells was obviously the method of delivery, not the drug itself.

THC actually causes brain cells to grow, as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

The whole idea of weed killing brain cells is bullshit based upon bullshit. It's a straight-up lie, told in convincing tones by deceptive scientists, supported by fixed research, that is the exact opposite of reality.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7713735 - 12/04/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Brain cells do replenish, even in adults, but they die faster no matter what you do. It's a fact of life that your brain cells will die bit by bit every day. What that really means is hard to say.

There is, in fact, "scientific proof" that weed kills brain cells. In the 70's during the second reefer madness, many studies were conducted with the intent of justifying marijuana's prohibition. One experiment conducted involved suffocating a chimp with cannabis smoke for four minutes straight. This chimp, it was observed, suffered significant brain damage.

This study was used to lend credibility to the untrue myth that marijuana kills brain cells.

As for synthetic vs. natural drugs, it's mostly semantic. LSD is a perfect example of a supposed "synthetic" drug that is every bit as safe and valuable as its natural counterparts.



I think you made yourself quite clear, just some simple misinterpretation.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7713744 - 12/04/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's ironic, though, because the more recent research proving THC's ability to stimulate neurogenesis was performed by the government. :laugh:

Scientists stumble on some pretty neat facts when they're not dominated by an agenda.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7714026 - 12/04/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, no harm intended. hostility was directed at article clip.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7717202 - 12/04/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I actually just read an article in the journal of biochemistry. The title was "Despite strong behavioral disruption, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol
does not affect cell proliferation in the adult mouse
dentate gyrus."

It was a very interesting article. Basically it said that while THC produced strong intoxicating effects it did not show any signs of inhibiting cell growth or killing cells. I'd post it but my school pays for the service and id rather not risk anything.


ABSTRACT


Marijuana is a widely abused illicit drug known to cause significant cognitive impairments. Marijuana has been hypothesized to target neurons in the hippocampus because of the abundance of cannabinoid receptors present in this structure. While there is no clear evidence of neuropathology in vivo, suppression of brain mitogenesis, and ultimately neurogenesis, may provide a sensitive index of marijuana's more subtle effects on neural mechanisms subserving cognitive functions. We examined the effects of different doses and treatment regimens of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main active ingredient in marijuana, on cell proliferation in the dentate gyrus of adult male mice. Following drug treatment, the thymidine analog 5-bromo-2′-deoxyuridine (BrdU; 200 mg/kg, i.p.) was administered two hours prior to sacrifice to assess cell proliferation, the first step in neurogenesis. Administration of THC produced dose-dependent catalepsy and suppression of motor activity. The number of BrdU-labeled cells was not significantly changed from vehicle control levels following either acute (1, 3, 10, 30 mg/kg, i.p.), sequential (two injections of 10 or 30 mg/kg, i.p., separated by 5 h), or chronic escalating (20 to 80 mg/kg, p.o.; for 3 weeks) drug administration. Furthermore, acute administration of the potent synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonist R-(+)-WIN 55,212-2 (WIN; 5 mg/kg, i.p.) also had no significant effect on cell proliferation. These findings provide no evidence for an effect of THC on hippocampal cell proliferation, even at doses producing gross behavioral intoxication. Whether marijuana or THC affects neurogenesis remains to be explored.


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Re: Shroomz 100% OK for your brain? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7717275 - 12/04/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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chronic777 said:
Is this true that sceintific proof shows that shroomz cause no phusical damage to the brian or body, liver kidney etc.....

The one thing i worry about is it causing a brain tumour, sometimes it feels as if my brian is bleeding or something, like watery inside between my skull and brain.....




How do you know what water in between your skull and brain feels like? are you sure you don't just have a headache?


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