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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: pj dawg99]
    #7733617 - 12/08/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yea i was talking with a guy from hotrags local hippie/ head shop and illinois is passing a law on january 1 illegalizing it and scheduling it a clas 1 drug with acid....
damn shame, looks like ill have to stick with pot




so if salvia becomes a schedule one youll stick with pot (another schedule one) ummm why?


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: SurReality]
    #7733637 - 12/08/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Because your corner pot dealer doesn't carry salvia, I would guess.


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: Ness1]
    #7733671 - 12/08/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

NESS 1 figured it out....... and why not


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: pj dawg99]
    #7733807 - 12/08/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i thought you ment you wouldnt do salvia because it was not legal, i didn't consider it not being available... personally legality hardly has anything to do with me maintaining my interests, but i guess if i just couldnt find it then i can't do it.
hopefully if they do control it, they only control salvinorin(sp?) since regular salvia doesnt exactly get abused (so one could just buy the source and make it like DMT)


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: SurReality]
    #7734119 - 12/08/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I loved how in the article that spawned "Brett's Law", the DEA spokeswoman in one paragraph says something like: "We don't know what kind of side effects this drug has."

2 paragraphs later, she's telling me "Don't do it, its bad for you."

For fucks sake. There must have been months upon months of research that took place in between those 3 paragraphs. (rolls eyes)

Or the one article (I forget where it was), with the guy saying that Salvia was a poision because it makes you hallucinate.

Damn it. Just god damn it.

Our society has actually opted for teaching fear instead of responsibility when it comes to drugs.


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: frisky_]
    #7734192 - 12/08/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i hate the word poison, just about anything can be poisonous if used the wrong way... the air around you which you need to breath will kill you if injected, alcohol is a poison, i can't stand doing shrooms with most people cause they're like 'dont eat so much man it is poison'


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: SurReality]
    #7735360 - 12/09/07 01:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

australia will ban fucking anything.
anyone who lives there must know what i mean, anyone else, look up there list of scheduled plants and substances, i could wallpaper my house with it.
theyll probably ban oranges and bananas eventually


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: clover606]
    #7735390 - 12/09/07 01:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

^What's banned in Australia that isn't banned in the US? Sans Salvia, of course.


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: Feeling_of_Sound]
    #7736006 - 12/09/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i heard that its going to be wayy to hard to reform or take action on adding it on the subsatnces act In the United States, Salvia is not regulated under the Controlled Substances Act and it would take alot of research for them to add it because of the guidelines that follow what can go in any of the schedules in the Controlled Substancesen Act only because salvia is legally sold as incents and not as a drug or hallucinogen just as majority of glasspipes sold in smoke shops are used for weed and not for its intended use..tobacco which is why they wont make it illegal to sale.



i found this which was the only thing i read about 2008 and salvia...

"salvia divinorum to become a scheduled drug in the US in Jan 2008

since it's not a "drug" yet.. I figured it was ok to post. Salvia Divinorum, also known as the "Diviner's Sage" will be illegal in the state of Illinois as of Jan 2008. This means almost all the major online retailers of salvia will stop selling after the new year."


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: smushrooms]
    #7736124 - 12/09/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why would they stop selling it if it's only Illinois and not other states too?


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: Sigrin]
    #7741143 - 12/10/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ya i dont understand the reasoning, if this was so there would be a huge sale everywhere online


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: SurReality]
    #7741278 - 12/10/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How easy do you think it would be for a little birdy to find some salvia once its banned state-wide?


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7742133 - 12/10/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

as easy as finding pot? or easier? OR harder?


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: Fraggin]
    #7742184 - 12/10/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would say harder once it's banned. Marijuana is just too common. Once it is banned cultivation will go covert like mj, but salvia isn't as in high demand so it might be a little trickier to obtain. That's just my guess,though.

Don't think it will be that hard to find if you tried,however.

I would just get some cuttings and propogate your own backyard or something. They aren't very recognizable plants to the untrained eye :yesnod:


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: Robo]
    #7743487 - 12/11/07 12:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think you could probably trade it with pretty little risk (dont think drug dogs will be trained for - but who knows) online... (SWIM will)


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #8251469 - 04/07/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

saliva is becoming illegal in Texas too. on the news a couple of weeks ago they said they found saliva i a planet k store, i think that saliva is not harmful @ all, the first time i took it i was a little freaked out but then again i am very sensitive to a lot of drugs because of the tumorous in my brain but, i do well on every drug that i have done through my life.
back to the topic saliva is one of the most safest drug on the planet.


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: salvia queen]
    #8375153 - 05/07/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It just happened in Kansas too :kingcrankey:


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #8375182 - 05/07/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

oh well what ya gonna do better get sum seeds and start growing what are the fascist pigs gonna put it under schedule 1,2,3? I wonder.


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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8375358 - 05/07/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Appears to be Schedule 1.

Heres an updated list of states(as of 5/08):

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Alaska #
SB 38 was submitted Mar 19, 2007, which would add Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the state's list of scheduled substances. The current bill would allow controlled use for medical research. Reference: HESS Minute. (thanks S) (last updated May 2, 2007)


California #
AB 259 was introduced Feb 5, 2007. If passed, the bill would add Salvia divinorum to the list of Schedule I controlled substances in the state of California. The bill was amended Mar 12, 2007 to include salvinorin A in ban. It failed in committee on Mar 27, 2007 (3 to 2) but could be reintroduced. References: Committee deliberations and history of the bill. (last updated May 1, 2007) (thanks S)


Delaware #
SB259 ("Brett's Law") was signed on May 2, 2006, adding Salvia divinorum to schedule I of the Delaware state controlled substances law. Reference. Salvinorin A is not covered by the law. (thanks L)


Florida #
Salvia and salvinorin A are currently uncontrolled in Florida. Proposed legislation that would have classified salvinorin A died in committee in 2007. (last updated Nov 2007)


Georgia #
Senate Bill 295, introduced Mar 1, 2007, would outlaw salvinorin A and the growth of Salvia divinorum "other than for esthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes". Violations of this law would be a misdemeanor under the currently-proposed bill. Bill was approved by senate and moved on to the House on Mar 27th. See SB295 text and history. (last updated May 21, 2007)


Illinois #
Effective Jan 1, 2008, Salvia divinorum (including any plant part, extraction, or preperation) is included in the Illinois Controlled Substances Act list of Schedule I substances, making it illegal to possess or sell. (text of law) (Illinois Controlled Substances Act) News: New Year, New Laws, Dec 25 2007 Chicago Tribune.


Iowa #
Senate Study Bill 1051 was introduced in January 2007, proposing to add Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill would have made it a class "C" felony to "manufacture, deliver, or possess with the intent to manufacture or deliver, Salvia divinorum or salvinorin A". The bill was replaced by the nearly-identical bill SB 226. Reference: ODCP Update. (last updated May 1, 2007) (thanks S)


Kansas #
On April 24, 2008 Kansas SB 481 was signed into law, adding Salvia divinorum to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances, the most restrictive category. The law restricts "all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Salvia divinorum, whether growing or not..." and "any extract from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture, salts, isomers and salts of isomers [of the plant]...", which would presumably include salvinorin A. (see text of bill)


Louisiana #
Effective Aug 8, 2005 (signed into law Jun 28, 2005) Louisiana Act No 159 makes 40 plants illegal, including S. divinorum, when intended for human consumption. The law specifically excludes the "possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting" of these plants if used "strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes." (Text of HLS_05RS-52 (orig) and Update Jun 2005)


Maine #
On May 15, 2007 state bill LD 66 was signed into law, making it illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to purchase, possess, or use Salvia divinorum or salvinorin A. The original bill, which would have banned Salvia altogether, was rewritten after public hearings. (last updated Jun 1, 2007) (thanks M, S)


Missouri #
On Aug 28, 2005 House Bill 633 was incorporated into 195.017 of Missouri's drug regulation statutes. S. divinorum and salvinorin A became Schedule I substances in that state. As far as Erowid knows, Missouri was the first state in the U.S. to schedule S. divinorum or its active chemical. http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/chapters/chap195.htm. Violation of this law is a felony. (thanks Q)


New Jersey #
Senate Bill 1867 and the identical Assembly Bill 3139 which would classify Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A as Schedule I controlled substances in the state, were submitted on Apr 6, 2006. As of May 2, 2007, neither bill has been subject to a vote, and both are probably dead. References: Press Release. (last updated May 2, 2007) (thanks S)
Mention in news about Northern Monmouth includes the following curious text: "GRAND TOUR: Two 15-year-old borough males were charged on Sept. 10 with illegal possession of Salvia divinorum with intent to distribute by Sgt. Kevin Roake." (thanks E)


New York #
State Bill 610, introduced Jan 3, 2007, would prohibit sale of Salvia divinorum. The bill was re-designated S00695 and passed the State Senate on Feb 28, 2007. It has been awaiting vote in the State Assembly for some time. The bill does not specify control of salvinorin A. Track bill history here. (last updated May 2, 2007) (thanks S)
A similar law failed to pass in 2005. Reference: State Targets Tripped Out Herb - Long Island Press, Jun 16 2005. (thanks E) (last updated May 1, 2007)


North Dakota #
Senate Bill 2317 was signed into law April 26, 2007, adding Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances. Reference: bill history. (thanks S)


Ohio #
House bill 215 was introduced May 9, 2007. If passed, the bill will add Salvia divinorum (but not salvinorin A) to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances.


Oklahoma #
Any substance/product containing Salvia divinorum that "has been enhanced, concentrated, or chemically or physically altered" is controlled under the Oklahoma Uniform Controlled Substances Act on Nov 1, 2006, after state bill 2485 was signed into law on May 26, 2006. Text of bill available HB2485_CCS.RTF. We assume this means that plain leaf, unprepared, would not be controlled under this law. (thanks B, DK, JR)


Oregon #
House bill 2494 was entered into the house. If passed the bill will criminalize salvinorin A and Salvia divinorum:

Creates crime of unlawful possession of salvinorin A or Salvia divinorum. Punishes by maximum of one year's imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both. Creates crime of unlawful manufacture or delivery of salvinorin A or Salvia divinorum. Punishes by maximum of 20 years imprisonment, $375,000 fine, or both. Requires State Board of Pharmacy to classify salvinorin A or Salvia divinorum as Schedule I controlled substance.
[ http://landru.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measures/hb2400.dir/hb2494.intro.html ]

As of May 2, 2007, this bill does not appear to have passed. Two similar bills previously failed to pass in 2003. (thanks J, S)


Pennsylvania #
In 2006, House Bill 2657 was introduced, which would have added Salvia divinorum to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill died without being enacted.
On March 29, 2007, Senate Bill 710 was introduced which would add Salvia divinorum to the state's list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill has been referred to the Judiciary Committee, and is currently in limbo. (last updated Apr 30, 2007)


Tennessee #
Tennessee has made it a class A misdemeanor to "knowingly produce, manufacture, distribute, possess or possess with intent to produce, manufacture, or distribute the active chemical ingredient in the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum A", along with the strangely-worded caveat that this prohibition does not apply to "the possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of such hallucinogenic plant strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes." Upon approval, SB3247 was designated TCA 39-17-452. The law took effect on Jul 1, 2006. See also: Ban on hallucinogenic passed by House (thanks E and MG) (last updated May 2006)


Texas #
March 2007 saw the introduction of three bills to control Salvia divinorum in the state of Texas. All three of them appear to have failed, and new action is not expected until the next legislative session. The three bills are HB3784 (Bill history), HB 2347 (Bill history), and HB 1796 (Bill history). (thanks S, C) (last updated Aug 16, 2007)


Utah #
In 2007 House Bill 190 was introduced but did not pass. The bill would have added Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the state's list of controlled substances. Reference: Salt Lake Tribune, Oct 17 2007. (last updated Oct 2007)


Virginia #
Effective July 1, 2008, salvinorin A will be included in Virginia's list of Schedule I substances and will be illegal to buy, sell, or possess without a license. The law does not specifically mention Salvia divinorum, which will presumably be illegal by extension. (see text of HB21 and bill history). (thanks W)


Wisconsin #
0n Aug 7 2007, Representative Wasserman introduced WI AB 477 that will, if passed, ban 'manufacturing, distributing, or delivering the active chemical ingredient in the plant Salvia divinorum (salvinorum A) with the intent that it be consumed by a person". The bill makes an exemption for salvinorum A that is recognized by the FDA as a homeopathic drug. (thanks S) (last updated Aug 20, 2007)


Wyoming #
HB 0049 was introduced in 2006, and died without coming to a vote. (last updated Apr 30, 2007)
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Re: Salvia becoming illegal? [Re: SurReality]
    #9849447 - 02/23/09 10:55 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It is only becoming illegal due to the fact that people will start to dig deep into the unconscious and our governments will lose control of their "sheep". I actually feel that i should be acclaimed for using salvia. A deeper understanding makes me feel like i did good in school. Like its an accomplishment. I feel like telling teachers and friends that "I understand now". Mind you I am finishing my B.A. in Aeronautical Science so there is no place explaining this to aviation professors. We should be praised for using it responsibly. It really is a neat tool when used under controlled environments. Made my questioning of the universe come to a soothing calm. Everything is ok. Everything will be ok. Everything that ever was or ever is, is a perfect working system.

To the other poster...I also laugh because i feel that I am remembering what i had forgot! I feel like i remember bits and pieces of where i am from and that this reality is a facade.


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