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MSME! Registered: 01/29/07 Posts: 2,494 Loc: Mind Exploration |
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They are indeed.
The internet played a huge role in popularizing salvia. I remember buying some off the internet back in the late 90s. Granted there are a lot of dumbasses posting retarded videos of themselves irresponsibly using salvia but I'm unconvinced it was even a main factor in the legislation that has been passed. There have been a few suicides which were large contributors. That and the general propaganda by the media which has been demonizing it are the main reasons that stand out to me.
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fuckingsuperhero Registered: 06/29/04 Posts: 3,531 Last seen: 4 years, 24 days |
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blaming suicide on anything other than depression is just ludicrous.
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MSME! Registered: 01/29/07 Posts: 2,494 Loc: Mind Exploration |
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I'm not saying that salvia caused him to take his own life.
The media and his parents portrayed the situation as such. I think the bill was even named after the kid. Anyway the gullible public, or at least the gullible congressmen, believed it and the law passed in that state. --------------------
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Multi-Faceted Registered: 01/05/05 Posts: 8,707 Last seen: 8 years, 3 days |
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Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Maine, and North Dakota are the only states in the USA that have laws prohibiting possession of Salvia divinorum. (Note that Illinois recently passed legislation that will make Salvia divinorum a schedule I contolled substance in that state beginning January 1, 2008.) Louisiana and Oklahoma have provisions in their laws that allow possession of the plant when it is not intended for human consumption. In Oklahoma, plain Salvia divinorum is legal, but extract-enhanced leaves are not. The state of Maine only prohibits possesion by minors. Possesion remains legal for adults in Maine; however, it is illegal for adults to sell or transfer Salvia divinorum to anyone under 18 years of age. Salvia divinorum is entirely legal in all other states. However, law makers in several other states are currently considering legislative bills that seek to ban Salvia divinorum in those states (see below).
Federal Legislation In October of 2002, a bill was introduced to the United States Congress that proposed to place Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act. The bill was passed amongst various committees, but no action was taken on it. Ultimately, it died with the dissolution of the 107th Congress at the end of 2002. The author of the bill, Representative Joe Baca of California (democrat), has recently stated that he will not reintroduce the bill. The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is presently studying Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A, and is considering whether or not they present a risk to public safety that would justify making them controlled substances (and consequently further infringing on the personal freedoms of American citizens). On July 20, 2007, I was informed that the DEA had recently initiated an Eight Factor Analysis of Salvia divinorum. The Controlled Substances Act requires that this analysis be performed before a substance can be scheduled as a controlled substance. The eight factors considered are: Actual and potential for abuse Pharmacology Other current scientific knowledge History and current pattern of abuse Scope, duration, and significance of abuse Public health risk Psychic or physiological dependence liability If an immediate precursor of a controlled substance Based on the results of the analysis, the DEA may recommend that Salvia divinorum be scheduled as a controlled substance. This analysis will probably take several months to be completed. I will provide further updates here as more information becomes available. Given that there is no compelling evidence to suggest that Salvia divinorum presents a significant risk to public safety, I am hopeful that the DEA will be reasonable and not criminalize this beneficial plant unnecessarily. If they do decide to criminalize it, it will take a minimum of 30 days after they give public notice of their intentions in the Federal Register before the change of legal status takes effect. Missouri On January 23, 2003 the city of St. Peter's, Missouri passed an ordinance that prohibits the sale of Salvia divinorum to anyone under the age of 18. The restriction is modeled after the state's tobacco law. St. Peter's is the first, and so far only, city in the nation to restrict the sale of Salvia divinorum. The Salvia divinorum Research and Information Center has always advised that vendors not sell Salvia divinorum to minors. The Sagewisdom Salvia Shop has always maintained such a policy. We believe that such a prohibition is responsible and appropriate. On January 5, 2005 Representative Rachel L. Bringer introduced House Bill 165 to the Missouri State legislature. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. Curiously, the bill only mentioned Salvia divinorum, it did not mention salvinorin A. This oversight was corrected the following month with the introduction of House Bill 633, which sought to place both Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A in Schedule I. The bill also proposed to add 12 other substances to Missouri’s list of controlled substances. This second bill was introduced on February 23, 2005 by Representative Scott A. Lipke (R) and Representative Bringer. On August 28, 2005, the bill was incorporated into section 195.017 of the state’s drug regulation statutes. Thus, Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A became Schedule I substances in the state of Missouri. For documentation, go here. Oregon During the year 2003 two bills were introduced to the Oregon State Legislature that proposed to criminalize Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A in that state. Fortunately, both bills died upon adjournment of the Oregon Judiciary Committee. House Bill 3485 (introduced March 15, 2003) sought to impose particularly severe penalties. If it had passed, possession would be punishable by a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment, a $200,000 fine, or both. Delivery would be punishable by a maximum of 20 years' imprisonment, a $300,000 fine, or both. Senate Bill 592 (introduced February 22, 2003) only proposed to make delivery a crime. If it had passed, delivery would be punishable by a maximum of one year's imprisonment, a $5,000 fine, or both. Efforts to ban Salvia divinorum were renewed in 2007. On January 25 of that year, Representative John Lim (R) introduced House Bill 2494 to the Oregon State Legislature. If passed, this legislation would make Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A Schedule I controlled substances in that state. Possession would be punishable by a maximum of 1 year’s imprisonment, a $6250 fine, or both. Manufacture or delivery would be punishable by a maximum of 20 years’ imprisonment, a $375,000 fine, or both. Louisiana On February 25, 2005 Representative Michael G. Strain (R) introduced House Bill 20 to the Louisiana State Legislature. This bill proposed to make it illegal to possess, manufacture, or distribute hallucinogenic plants that are intended for human consumption. The text of the bill includes a list of 39 plants and fungi in its definition of the term “hallucinogenic plant.” Only a few of the plants and fungi listed contain compounds that are controlled substances. Some of the plants are quite obscure, some are commonly grown as ornamentals, and some are not actually hallucinogenic. Salvia divinorum is one of the plants listed. The proposed penalty for possession would be imprisonment with or without hard labor for not more than five years and, in addition, a possible fine of up to $5,000. The proposed penalty for manufacture or distribution would be imprisonment with or without hard labor for not less than two years nor more than 10 years and, in addition, a possible fine of up to $20,000. On May 16, 2005 the bill passed in the House (yeas 98, nays 0). On June 9, 2005 the bill passed in the Senate (yeas 101, nays 0). On June 17, 2005 the bill was sent to the Governor for executive approval. Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) signed the bill into law on June 28, 2005. The new law, called Act No. 159, went into effect on August 15, 2005 (Strain et al. 2005). Thus Louisiana became the first state in the USA to criminalize Salvia divinorum. New York On February 10, 2005, New York State Assembly Member Carl Heastie (D) introduced Assembly Bill 4412-A. This bill died without coming up for a vote, but if enacted, it would have made possession of Salvia divinorum a crime punishable by a $50 fine. On April 18, 2005, New York State Senator John Flanagan (R) introduced Senate Bill 4987. If enacted, this bill would amend the General Business Law to prohibit the sale of Salvia divinorum, and would subject violators to a civil penalty of up to $500. On June 6, 2005, the senate voted to pass the bill. Assemblyman Daniel O’Donnell (D) introduced an identical bill, designated Assembly Bill 11469, to the State Assembly on May 23, 2006. That bill died without coming up for a vote. Efforts to enact this legislation were renewed the following year. On January 3, 2007, Assemblyman O’Donnell reintroduced it as Assembly Bill 610. On January 8, 2007, it was reintroduced by Senators Flanagan, John DeFrancisco (R), Thomas Morahan (R), and Frank Padavan (R) as Senate Bill 695. On February 8, 2007, the bill passed in the senate (ayes: 58, nays: 0). It is now being considered by the State Assembly. To track the progress of these bills, go here. Illinois On January 19, 2006, Senator John Millner (R) introduced Senate Bill 2589 to the Illinois State Legislature. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill only mentions Salvia divinorum; it does not mention salvinorin A. This bill died with the dissolution of the 94th General Assembly. Efforts to ban Salvia divinorum were renewed the following year. On January 29, 2007, Representatives Dennis Reboletti (R), Chapin Rose (R), Robert Pritchard (R), and Renee Kosel (R) introduced House Bill 0457. On February 7, 2007, Senator Millner introduced this same bill to the State Senate as Senate Bill 0226. The wording of these bills define Salvia divinorum as “meaning all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Salvia divinorum, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract from any part of that plant, and every compound, manufacture, salts, isomers, and salts of isomers whenever the existence of such salts, isomers, and salts of isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation, derivative, mixture, or preparation of that plant, its seeds or extracts.” This wording is absurdly broad in scope, for it implies that any substance extracted from Salvia divinorum (water, chlorophyll, whatever) would be treated as a Schedule I controlled substance under the proposed law. House Bill 0457 passed unanimously in the House on March 20, 2007, and in the Senate on May 22, 2007. Senate Bill 0226 passed unanimously in the Senate on March 8, 2007, and in the House on May 24, 2007. This legislation was signed into law by Governor Rod Bagojevich (D) on August 17, 2007. The new law goes into effect on January 1, 2008. Wyoming On February 13, 2006, Representative Stephen Watt (R) introduced House Bill 0049 to the Wyoming State Legislature. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The bill only mentions Salvia divinorum; it does not mention salvinorin A. The bill died without coming up for a vote. Tennessee On February 15, 2006, Representative Park M. Strader (R) introduced House Bill 2909 to the Tennessee State Legislature (Strader 2006). The following day, it was adopted in the State Senate as Senate Bill 3247 (Burchett 2006). Originally, the bill proposed to make it a Class D felony offense to knowingly produce, manufacture, distribute, or possess with intent to produce, manufacture, or distribute a material, compound, mixture, or preparation intended for human consumption which contains a “hallucinogenic” plant. Previous law authorized imprisonment for a Class D felony for not less than two years nor more than 12 years. In addition, a fine not to exceed $5,000 may be assessed, unless otherwise provided by statute. This bill would have authorized a maximum fine of $20,000 for this offense. Originally, the bill also proposed to make it a Class E felony to knowingly possess a material, compound, mixture, or preparation intended for human consumption that contains a hallucinogenic plant. Previous law authorized imprisonment for a Class E felony for not less than one year nor more than six years. In addition, a jury may assess a fine not to exceed $3,000, unless otherwise provided by statute. This bill would have authorized a maximum fine of $5,000 for this offense. The bill was later amended to address Salvia divinorum specifically. The amended version classifies the knowing production, manufacture, distribution, or possession of the active chemical ingredient in the hallucinogenic plant Salvia divinorum as a Class A misdemeanor. It would not be a criminal offense to possess, plant, cultivate, grow, or harvest Salvia divinorum for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes. Also, this amendment does not apply to any dosage that is legally obtainable from a retail establishment without a prescription when it is recognized by the FDA as a homeopathic drug. On April 13, 2006, the amended version of the bill passed in the Senate (ayes 29, nays 0). It passed in the House on May 11, 2006 (ayes 96, nays 0). Governor Phil Bredesen (D) signed it into law on May 19, 2006. It was assigned Public Chapter Number 700 by the Secretary of State on May 30, 2006, and went into effect on July 1, 2006. Oklahoma On March 6, 2006, Representative John Nance (R) introduced House Bill 2485 to the Oklahoma State Legislature. According to that state’s Uniform Controlled Substances Act, the phrase synthetic controlled substance means “a substance, whether synthetic or naturally occurring, that is not a controlled dangerous substance, but which produces a like or similar physiological or psychological effect on the human central nervous system that currently has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and has a potential for abuse.” Amongst other things, Bill 2485 adds language that specifically includes enhanced, concentrated, and chemically or physically altered forms of Salvia divinorum in that definition. The bill passed in the House (ayes: 97, nays: 0) and Senate (ayes: 42, nays: 0), and was signed into law by Governor Brad Henry (D) on May 26, 2006. To read the text of this bill, go here. Delaware On March 16, 2006, Senator Karen E. Peterson (D) introduced Senate Bill 259 to the Delaware State Legislature. This legislation makes Salvia divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance in that state. The bill breezed through the General Assembly, and was signed into law by Governor Ruth Ann Minner (D) on May 2nd, 2006. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. It does not mention salvinorin A, nor any other specific chemical constituents of the plant. The law has been named “Brett’s Law,” in memory of Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old salvia user who committed suicide on January 23, 2006 by intentionally poisoning himself with carbon monoxide. Although there is no clear evidence that the boy’s suicide was precipitated by his use of Salvia divinorum, his parents believe that there was some connection. Alaska On April 5, 2006, Senator Gene Therriault (R) introduced Senate Bill 313 to the Alaska State Legislature (Therriault 2006). This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum. to Schedule IIA of that state’s list of controlled substances. The bill was amended on April 22, 2006, to include salvinorin A in the wording. The bill died in committee without floor debate. Senator Therriault has renewed his efforts to ban Salvia divinorum in his state. On January 16, 2007, he reintroduced the same legislation as Senate Bill 38. New Jersey On April 6, 2006, Assemblywoman Linda Stender (D) of New Jersey announced that she was crafting legislation to ban Salvia divinorum in her state. On May 15, 2006, Senator Stephen Sweeney (D) introduced Senate Bill 1867 to the State Senate. Assemblywoman Stender introduced an identical bill to the State Assembly on May 22, 2006. It is designated Assembly Bill 3139 and is cosponsored by Assemblyman Jack Conners (D) and Assemblyman Herb Conaway (D). If passed, these bills would classify Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A as Schedule I controlled substances in New Jersey. As of October 10, 2006, neither bill has come up for a vote. Pennsylvania On May 2, 2006, Representatives James Casorio (D), Kevin Blaum (D), H. William Deweese (D), Scott Boyd (R), Thomas Caltagirone (D), Steven Cappelli (R), Jacqueline Crahalla (R), Tom Creighton (R), Gordon Denlinger (R), Neal Goodman (D), Richard Grucela (D), Harold James (D), Nick Kotik (D), Marie Lederer (D), Jennifer Mann (D), Joseph Markosek (D), Michael McGeehan (D), Cherelle Parker (D), Stan Saylor (R), John Siptroth (D), Edward Staback (D), Thomas Tangretti (D), Thomas Tigue (D), Katie True (R), Rosita Youngblood (D), John Pallone (D), Frank Pistella (D), Kate Harper (R), W. Curtis Thomas (D), John Sabatina, Jr. (D), Karen Beyer (R), Florindo Fabrizio (D), and Merle Phillips (R) introduced House Bill 2657 to the Pennsylvania State Legislature. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. It died in committee. On June 16, 2006, Senators Lisa Boscola (D), Vincent Fumo (D), Wayne Fontana (D), Gerald LaValle (D), John Pippy (R), Sean Logan (D), John Rafferty (R), Constance Williams (D), Bob Regola (R), Edwin Erickson (R), and Robert Wonderling (R) introduced Senate Bill 1217. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum to Pennsylvania’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. It does not mention salvinorin A. This bill died with the dissolution of the 2005–2006 legislative session. It was reintroduced the following year, on March 29, 2007, as Senate Bill 710, by Senators Lisa Boscola (D), Vincent Fumo (D), Gerald LaValle (D), Barry Stout (D), Michael O’Pake (D), Jane Clare Orie (R), Robert Wonderling (R), Sean Logan (D), Wayne Fontana (D), Constance Williams (D), Raphael Musto (D), Christine Tartaglione (D), John Rafferty (R), Bob Regola (R). Maine In November 2006 Representative Christopher Barstow (D) of Maine introduced Legislative Document 66 (HP 64) to the State Legislature. This bill is cosponsored by Senators Philip Bartlett (D), Jonathan Courtney (R), John Nutting (D), and Elizabeth Schneider (D), along with Representatives David Farrington (D), Gary Plummer (R), James Schatz (D), and Nancy Smith (D). If passed, this bill would have added Salvia divinorum to the state’s list of Schedule Z drugs and made possession a Class E crime. Trafficking or furnishing of Salvia divinorum would have become a Class D crime. An amended version of the bill was approved in an 8 to 4 committee vote by lawmakers on the Criminal Justice Committee. The amended bill would regulate salvia in the same way tobacco products are regulated in Maine. Adults 18 and over could legally purchase and use the material. Selling or providing Salvia divinorum or salvinorin A to anyone under the age of 18 would be a criminal offense. Possession by a minor would be a civil violation, punishable by a fine, community service, or both. The amended bill passed in the House and Senate. It was signed into law by Governor John Baldacci (D) on May 15, 2007, and went into effect on September 20, 2007. Virginia On January 10, 2007, Assemblyman John O’Bannon, III (R) introduced House Bill 2844 to the Virginia State Legislature. This bill seeks to add salvinorin A to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The text of the bill only mentions salvinorin A. Salvia divinorum is not mentioned, but presumably the proposed law could be interpreted to apply to any part of the plant that contains salvinorin A. North Dakota On January 15, 2007, Senator Dave Oehlke (R), Senator Randell Christmann (R), and Representative Brenda Heller (R) introduced Senate Bill 2317 to the North Dakota State Legislature. This bill sought to add Salvia divinorum to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. Salvinorin A is not mentioned. The Senate Judiciary Committee corrected this oversight on April 5, 2007, by amending the bill to include salvinorin A and “any of the active ingredients” of Salvia divinorum. This wording is excessively vague, since it could be interpreted to include many commonly occurring pharmacologically active compounds, such as tannins, oleanolic acid, ursolic acid, etc. The amended bill passed in the Senate on February 7, 2007 (ayes: 47, nays: 0). It passed in the House on March 16, 2007 (ayes: 83, nays: 6). It was signed into law by Governor John Hoeven (R) on April 26, 2007. The new law went into effect on August 1, 2007. Iowa On January 18, 2007, the Governor’s Office of Drug Control Policy introduced Senate Study Bill 1051 to the Iowa State Legislature. This bill seeks to add Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. If passed, the bill would make it a class C felony for any unauthorized person to manufacture, deliver, or possess with intent to manufacture or deliver Salvia divinorum or salvinorin A, including its counterfeit or a simulated form, or to act with, enter into a common scheme or design with, or conspire with one or more other persons to manufacture, deliver, or possess with intent to manufacture or deliver. The bill also makes it a serious misdemeanor for any unauthorized person to possess Salvia divinorum or salvinorin A. A class C felony is punishable by confinement for no more than 10 years and a fine of at least $1000 but not more than $10,000. A serious misdemeanor is punishable by confinement for no more than one year and a fine of at least $315 but not more than $1875. Utah On January 18, 2007, Representative Paul Ray (R) introduced House Bill 190 to the Utah State Legislature. If passed, this legislation would make S. divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance in that state. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. Salvinorin A is not mentioned. California On February 5, 2007, Assembly Member Anthony Adams (R) introduced Assembly Bill 259 to the California State Legislature (Adams 2007). If passed, this legislation would make Salvia divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance in that state. On March 12, 2007, the bill was amended to include salvinorin A. The bill was assigned to the California State Committee on Public Safety. On March 27, 2007, it was defeated by committee vote (ayes: 2, nays: 3). But a reconsideration was granted. No date has been set for the reconsideration. Click here to view a copy of the letter I wrote opposing this bill (in PDF format). Florida On February 20, 2007, Senator Victor Crist (R) introduced Senate Bill 1718 to the Florida State Legislature. The bill was amended on April 23, 2007, to include wording that would classify salvinorin A as a Schedule I controlled substance in that state. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. Salvinorin A is not mentioned. This bill died in committee on May 4, 2007. Georgia On March 1, 2007, Senator John Bulloch (R) introduced Senate Bill 295 to the Georgia State Legislature. The wording of this bill is almost identical to that of a bill previously enacted in Tennessee. If passed, this bill would make it a misdemeanor crime to knowingly produce, manufacture, distribute, possess, or possess with intent to produce, manufacture, or distribute the active chemical ingredient in Salvia divinorum. This law would not apply to the possession, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of Salvia divinorum strictly for aesthetic, landscaping, or decorative purposes. Nor would it apply to any dosage form recognized by the FDA as a homeopathic drug. Texas On March 2, 2007, Representative Charles “Doc” Anderson (R) introduced House Bill 2347 to the Texas State Legislature. This bill sought to add salvinorin A and Salvia divinorum to Penalty Group 2 of the Texas Controlled Substances Act. Two more salvia-related bills were filed with the State Legislature on March 9, 2007. One of these, House Bill 3784, was introduced by Representative Tan Parker (R). That bill sought to add salvinorin A and Salvia divinorum to Penalty Group 3 of the Texas Controlled Substances Act. The other, Senate Bill 1796, was introduced by Senator Craig Estes (R). It would have made it a crime to sell Salvia divinorum to anyone younger than 18 years of age. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. Salvinorin A is not mentioned. The offence would be a Class C misdemeanor. This bill passed in the Senate (ayes: 31, nays: 0) on April 26, 2007. It did not come up for a vote in the House. Ultimately, all three bills died in committee. Ohio On May 9, 2007, Representative Thom Collier (R) introduced House Bill 215 to the Ohio State Legislature. If passed, this legislation would make Salvia divinorum a Schedule I controlled substance in that state. The text of the bill only mentions Salvia divinorum. Salvinorin A is not mentioned. Wisconsin On August 7, 2007, Representatives Sheldon Wasserman (D), David Cullen (D), John Townsend (R), Mike Sheridan (D), Alvin Ott (R), Jake Hines (R), and Terese Berceau (D) introduced Assembly Bill 477 to the Wisconsin State Legislature. If passed, this bill would prohibit manufacturing, distributing, or delivering the active chemical ingredient in the plant Salvia divinorum (salvinorin A) with the intent that it be consumed by a person. Curiously, the bill makes an exception to this prohibition for salvinorin A that is recognized by the FDA as a homeopathic drug and that may be obtained from a retail store without a prescription. The penalty for violating the prohibition is a fine not to exceed $10,000. Alabama On October 31, 2007, Senator Roger Bedford (D) prefiled Senate Bill 8, which proposes to add S. divinorum to Alabama’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. On November 28, 2007, Senator Henry “Hank” Erwin (R) prefiled Senate Bill 15, which proposes to add both S. divinorum and salvinorin A to that state’s list of Schedule I controlled substances. Both bills were prefiled for the 2008 Regular Session of the State Legislature.
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MSME! Registered: 01/29/07 Posts: 2,494 Loc: Mind Exploration |
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Yeah this is the case I was referring to:
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Ancient Aliens Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 15,105 Loc: Out of this worl Last seen: 12 years, 5 months |
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"Although there is no clear evidence that the boy’s suicide was precipitated by his use of Salvia divinorum, his parents believe that there was some connection."
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Spreading myinvi Registered: 10/01/07 Posts: 621 Last seen: 16 years, 1 month |
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Person A uses drugs. Something bad happens to Person A. Therefor, drugs are bad.
Duh, it makes PERFECT sense! -------------------- I know what they'll find, it's in their mind, it's what they want to see. Spare me from the light, here comes the night and here I'll stay, waiting for darkness.
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Baʿal Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 33,501 Loc: Deep in the Vall Last seen: 12 years, 3 months |
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Latin for "after this, therefore because of this" our government if chalk full fallacies drugs laws are a slippery slope the same way we slowly kept taking more and more land from the native americans --------------------
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fuckingsuperhero Registered: 06/29/04 Posts: 3,531 Last seen: 4 years, 24 days |
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Quote: ya, I wasn't implying anything, just making a comment. I remember that case, so far it's been the one with the most media attention. They had a news report on it in my town a few months ago as well. Another main culprit are headshops selling this hyped up product. Good example is "purple sticky." I mean, salvia isn't either of those things (ok, the flowers are purple, but the extract certainly isnt). It's obviously being marketed as a legal marijuana alternative with that kind of branding. It only hurts salvia even more. It was doing just fine 6-7 years ago when it was sold as "incense, not meant for human consumption" and etc. Now it's out of control. The natives even managed to keep this shit safe from the explorers hundreds of years ago, but somehow these kids with nothing better to do than video themselves for youtube managed to ruin all of that. What a shame.
-------------------- No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.
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Stranger Registered: 12/08/07 Posts: 4 Last seen: 16 years, 1 month |
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I'm a little confused right now. From what I understand it is only being banned in certain states and it is not a federal law. I cannot seem to find anything about the status of the Ohio bill:
Quote: I hope they do not make it illegal.
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PsychAdemic Registered: 12/21/06 Posts: 11,808 Loc: Colorado, USA Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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it probably should be illegal as far as american drug laws go, personally i hope it never gets like that cuz i make a little money off sellin it- im surprised it still is legal though... i wish all drugs could just be legalized to filter out the anti-intelectuals (this is the one matter me and my very conservative grandfather agree on)
i was pretty pissed to hear that some kid commited suicide and left a note blaming salvia, he said from using salvia he learned all the answers to the universe and felt he didnt want to live with the knowlegde, why didn't he fill the world in on these answers in the note at least- but why anyone should feel bad about this death idk hes obviously a moron.... this is worse than the kid on acid that jumped out the window who supposedly thought he could fly- accept he didnt leave a note, i guess maybe they found his last thoughts in the autopsy?
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Anybody know what the current process is here in new york? To me the bill seems like it has passed but it certainly is not. Also I do not understand what the "proposed" bill actually says. I do know that head shops sell it openly, so I know that technically it is legal (except possibly for minors). Sorry for the stupid question, but could someone explain this without the beaurocratical nonsense? What is in the process currently, what has been passed, and what exactly does it mean?
Also, is there a systematic way of figuring this out? Ive tried looking at gov sights, and for some reason always failed in figuring out anything conclusive. Thanks
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version 2.0 ![]() Registered: 03/18/07 Posts: 1,337 Last seen: 13 years, 6 months |
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Anyone know if there's any bills proposed for NC? I'm gonna start stocking up soon... I already bought 14 grams of 20x, but I'm gonna need some more.
-------------------- I'm in need of a sterile sporeprint, if anyone wants to do a trade for some seeds or something, or maybe just for free if you have a lot of them............. i'd really appreciate it NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."
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Prick Registered: 09/14/06 Posts: 2,046 |
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I have not yet seen anything concerning legal action here in NC yet. I'm keeping my eyes and ears open too. I've got about 50 plants and over 200 grams of 20X on hand along with a pile of dried leaves. I'm well stocked but will have to make some changes if the law changes. I'm hoping it will at least remain legal through the spring when I can move the plants outside again where they grow much faster and fuller. I plan to do a large outdoor in ground planting of them and give or sell a lot of cuttings from them before harvesting the remains of all but a few. I don't really want a small forest of class 1 illegal plants in my house if such a law is passed.
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version 2.0 ![]() Registered: 03/18/07 Posts: 1,337 Last seen: 13 years, 6 months |
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Well, I'm not going to worry about getting busted or anything... the plant looks like just an ordinary houseplant, it would be really hard for an uninformed pig to identify it... my growroom is pretty safe.
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That is very true in most cases. The plant looks normal and uninteresting. It's not likely to ever be noticed by anyone. My situation has other complications though. At least a hundred people, probably a lot more, in my area wouldn't even know what salvia was if it wasn't for me. Some of those people know me mostly because of salvia and quickly relate it with me. I'm sort of the Johnny Appleseed of salvia for my little area.
That has been my goal though. I've done exactly what I wanted to do in spreading and sharing the experience. I haven't been cloning all of those plants for my personal use or profit. I give them away for free to anyone I know personally that will take care of them. I feel that gives salvia the best chance of hanging on and being available when it can no longer be purchased over the internet and in head shops. The fact is that a lot of people don't like salvia. At least not the first time they experiment with it. There is not going to be a huge demand for it once it becomes illegal. It will become obscure and hard to find again.
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PsychAdemic Registered: 12/21/06 Posts: 11,808 Loc: Colorado, USA Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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it may actually be better (or at least not a problem) for salvia users once its illegal, cause i really can't imagine there being big salvia busts (maybe thats the thinking of keeping it legal lol) thanks to networks such as the shroomery people could just trade for it instead of buying it for incent from the internet or headshops.
i hope i have the ability to grow it myself before it becomes illegal...
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Psychedelic Theorist Registered: 11/30/07 Posts: 627 Loc: Infinite Possibi |
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open mindedstran Registered: 04/03/07 Posts: 95 Last seen: 15 years, 7 months |
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yea i was talking with a guy from hotrags local hippie/ head shop and illinois is passing a law on january 1 illegalizing it and scheduling it a clas 1 drug with acid....
damn shame, looks like ill have to stick with pot
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Stranger Registered: 12/08/07 Posts: 128 Last seen: 15 years, 8 months |
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I agree with whoever said earlier that they would have done an emergency illegalizaton lke they did with AET and AMT (cause that was a real emergency)
. I think that this may be the governments turning point in ending this senseless and stupid drug war. And one interesting fact, that Brett kid had canniboides and alcohol in his system when he died. But alcohol's never caused a suicide (rolls eyes).
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. I think that this may be the governments turning point in ending this senseless and stupid drug war. And one interesting fact, that Brett kid had canniboides and alcohol in his system when he died. But alcohol's never caused a suicide (rolls eyes).
